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	<title>Comments on: NYT&#8217;s Rejects McCains Rebuttal To Obama&#8217;s Editorial</title>
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		<title>By: The Baltimore Reporter</title>
		<link>http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/07/21/nyts-rejects-mccains-rebuttal-to-obamas-editorial/#comment-100383</link>
		<dc:creator>The Baltimore Reporter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 04:02:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] of both candidates as we approach the fall election for President of the United States.  On Monday, we learned that the NY Times had refused to print an op-ed submitted by John McCain after publishing an op-ed [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] of both candidates as we approach the fall election for President of the United States.  On Monday, we learned that the NY Times had refused to print an op-ed submitted by John McCain after publishing an op-ed [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Flopping Aces » Blog Archive &#187; How About a Fairness Doctrine for the Mainstream Media?</title>
		<link>http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/07/21/nyts-rejects-mccains-rebuttal-to-obamas-editorial/#comment-100117</link>
		<dc:creator>Flopping Aces » Blog Archive &#187; How About a Fairness Doctrine for the Mainstream Media?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 02:51:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] of both candidates as we approach the fall election for President of the United States.  On Monday, we learned that the NY Times had refused to print an op-ed submitted by John McCain after publishing an op-ed [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Edward Cropper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Edward Cropper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 19:21:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>check my blog for latest reaction by Obama regarding NYT censorship.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>check my blog for latest reaction by Obama regarding NYT censorship.</p>
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		<title>By: wordsmith</title>
		<link>http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/07/21/nyts-rejects-mccains-rebuttal-to-obamas-editorial/#comment-99880</link>
		<dc:creator>wordsmith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 11:08:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Other Ed writes on the op-ed:&lt;blockquote&gt;I’d reject this for publication if I ran a newspaper also. It’s pedantic, written at a 8th grade level and since there is no equal time provision requiring the NYT to print a response,&lt;b&gt; it should at least be interesting and say something of value.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;It&#039;s coming from a rival presidential candidate.  That in itself should qualify for &quot;interesting&quot; and &quot;something of value&quot;, even if it were badly written, because it reflects back upon the candidate.  After all, I read Obama&#039;s op-ed as lame, and yet that didn&#039;t stop the NYT from embarrassing the good Senator from Illinois by printing it anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Other Ed writes on the op-ed:<br />
<blockquote>I’d reject this for publication if I ran a newspaper also. It’s pedantic, written at a 8th grade level and since there is no equal time provision requiring the NYT to print a response,<b> it should at least be interesting and say something of value.</b></p></blockquote>
<p>It&#8217;s coming from a rival presidential candidate.  That in itself should qualify for &#8220;interesting&#8221; and &#8220;something of value&#8221;, even if it were badly written, because it reflects back upon the candidate.  After all, I read Obama&#8217;s op-ed as lame, and yet that didn&#8217;t stop the NYT from embarrassing the good Senator from Illinois by printing it anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: wordsmith</title>
		<link>http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/07/21/nyts-rejects-mccains-rebuttal-to-obamas-editorial/#comment-99879</link>
		<dc:creator>wordsmith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 10:59:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Conservative commentator Ben Stein (a regular NYT contributor) just agreed this is not an unusual request from the editors.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

But the substance of the request does sound &lt;strike&gt;unusual&lt;/strike&gt; Obama-esque in &quot;shaping the battlespace&quot;:&lt;blockquote&gt;It would be terrific to have an article from Senator McCain that mirrors Senator Obama’s piece. To that end, the article would have to articulate, in concrete terms, how Senator McCain defines victory in Iraq. It would also have to lay out a clear plan for achieving victory — with troops levels, &lt;b&gt;timetables&lt;/b&gt; and measures for &lt;b&gt;compelling the Iraqis to cooperate&lt;/b&gt;. And it would need to describe the senator’s Afghanistan strategy, spelling out how it meshes with his Iraq plan.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&quot;Compelling Iraqis to cooperate&quot;?! Iraqis have been bleeding and dying to move things forward. &quot;Timetables&quot;?! Sounds straight out of the Obama-mindset. And how on earth has Senator Obama laid out a &quot;plan for achieving &lt;strike&gt;victory&lt;/strike&gt; defeat&quot; in &quot;concrete terms&quot;?



Mark Levin&#039;s website asks: &quot;How to get your op-ed in the NYT&quot;

and answers back

&lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;Label it &#039;U.S Government: Top Secret&#039;&quot; &lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Conservative commentator Ben Stein (a regular NYT contributor) just agreed this is not an unusual request from the editors.</p></blockquote>
<p>But the substance of the request does sound <strike>unusual</strike> Obama-esque in &#8220;shaping the battlespace&#8221;:<br />
<blockquote>It would be terrific to have an article from Senator McCain that mirrors Senator Obama’s piece. To that end, the article would have to articulate, in concrete terms, how Senator McCain defines victory in Iraq. It would also have to lay out a clear plan for achieving victory — with troops levels, <b>timetables</b> and measures for <b>compelling the Iraqis to cooperate</b>. And it would need to describe the senator’s Afghanistan strategy, spelling out how it meshes with his Iraq plan.</p></blockquote>
<p>&#8220;Compelling Iraqis to cooperate&#8221;?! Iraqis have been bleeding and dying to move things forward. &#8220;Timetables&#8221;?! Sounds straight out of the Obama-mindset. And how on earth has Senator Obama laid out a &#8220;plan for achieving <strike>victory</strike> defeat&#8221; in &#8220;concrete terms&#8221;?</p>
<p>Mark Levin&#8217;s website asks: &#8220;How to get your op-ed in the NYT&#8221;</p>
<p>and answers back</p>
<p><b><i>Label it &#8216;U.S Government: Top Secret&#8217;&#8221; </i></b></p>
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		<title>By: Fit fit</title>
		<link>http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/07/21/nyts-rejects-mccains-rebuttal-to-obamas-editorial/#comment-99811</link>
		<dc:creator>Fit fit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 01:41:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Back to this faux Times outrage...

The NYT has published over seven of McCain&#039;s OpEd pieces.  They said they would publish this one  with a rewrite.  Conservative commentator Ben Stein (a regular NYT contributor) just agreed this is not an unusual request from the editors.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Back to this faux Times outrage&#8230;</p>
<p>The NYT has published over seven of McCain&#8217;s OpEd pieces.  They said they would publish this one  with a rewrite.  Conservative commentator Ben Stein (a regular NYT contributor) just agreed this is not an unusual request from the editors.</p>
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		<title>By: bbartlog</title>
		<link>http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/07/21/nyts-rejects-mccains-rebuttal-to-obamas-editorial/#comment-99806</link>
		<dc:creator>bbartlog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 01:05:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe Fit Fit was thinking of &lt;a href=&quot;http://youtube.com/watch?v=NC0Y7zMcn_4&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;McCain&#039;s confusion regarding a border between Iraq and Pakistan&lt;/a&gt;. Or maybe it&#039;s just a case of great minds thinking alike.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe Fit Fit was thinking of <a href="http://youtube.com/watch?v=NC0Y7zMcn_4" rel="nofollow">McCain&#8217;s confusion regarding a border between Iraq and Pakistan</a>. Or maybe it&#8217;s just a case of great minds thinking alike.</p>
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		<title>By: Fit fit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fit fit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 01:05:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why not? McCain does...

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.boston.com/news/politics/politicalintelligence/2008/07/mccain_appears.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;LINK&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why not? McCain does&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.boston.com/news/politics/politicalintelligence/2008/07/mccain_appears.html" rel="nofollow">LINK</a></p>
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		<title>By: papa_joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>papa_joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 00:11:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Um, er,  Mr Fit fit,
Unlikely that there&#039;ll be a flare-up of violence on Iraq&#039;s border with Pakistan.  In fact I&#039;d say it&#039;s impossible.

Iraq borders Iran, Turkey, Syria, Jordan, Kuwait and Saudi Arabia, and has a small coastline on the Persian Gulf .  To get to Pakistan, you&#039;d need to go through Iran from the West border to the east, about  1300 km travel.

But, by all means, comment even if you are unaware of the lay of the land.

Thanks
Papa joe
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Um, er,  Mr Fit fit,<br />
Unlikely that there&#8217;ll be a flare-up of violence on Iraq&#8217;s border with Pakistan.  In fact I&#8217;d say it&#8217;s impossible.</p>
<p>Iraq borders Iran, Turkey, Syria, Jordan, Kuwait and Saudi Arabia, and has a small coastline on the Persian Gulf .  To get to Pakistan, you&#8217;d need to go through Iran from the West border to the east, about  1300 km travel.</p>
<p>But, by all means, comment even if you are unaware of the lay of the land.</p>
<p>Thanks<br />
Papa joe<br />
minneapolis usa</p>
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		<title>By: MataHarley</title>
		<link>http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/07/21/nyts-rejects-mccains-rebuttal-to-obamas-editorial/#comment-99797</link>
		<dc:creator>MataHarley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 00:08:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Authored a post about your last sentence just a few hours ago, Tony... funny that you mention that.  (The &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/07/21/where-obama-fears-to-tread/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;Where Obama Fears to Tread....&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt; one)

However I wouldn&#039;t hold my breath waiting for some fluorescent lightbulb bright media to ask him about that.  They are as clueless as he is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Authored a post about your last sentence just a few hours ago, Tony&#8230; funny that you mention that.  (The <a href="http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/07/21/where-obama-fears-to-tread/" rel="nofollow"><b>Where Obama Fears to Tread&#8230;.</b></a> one)</p>
<p>However I wouldn&#8217;t hold my breath waiting for some fluorescent lightbulb bright media to ask him about that.  They are as clueless as he is.</p>
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		<title>By: Tony</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 22:38:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“Written at an eighth grade level”

Is a goal for good tech writers, but I guess it doesn&#039;t fit the NYT and other snobbish liberals who don&#039;t bother to read anything other than Obama&#039;s talking points.  This was an editorial rebuttal, so he can say anything he wants, in any way he wants to.  Of course, its better that it wasn&#039;t published, since it shows how in the tank the liberal media is.

I wonder when the media, and the anti-war crowd will figure out that Obama has asked for a surge in Afghanistan.  Also, when will the media ask him why he didn&#039;t stop in Pakistan if he thought that the problems in Afghanistan were so serious, or was he afraid to do that because he previously suggested we should invade Pakistan to get OBL?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“Written at an eighth grade level”</p>
<p>Is a goal for good tech writers, but I guess it doesn&#8217;t fit the NYT and other snobbish liberals who don&#8217;t bother to read anything other than Obama&#8217;s talking points.  This was an editorial rebuttal, so he can say anything he wants, in any way he wants to.  Of course, its better that it wasn&#8217;t published, since it shows how in the tank the liberal media is.</p>
<p>I wonder when the media, and the anti-war crowd will figure out that Obama has asked for a surge in Afghanistan.  Also, when will the media ask him why he didn&#8217;t stop in Pakistan if he thought that the problems in Afghanistan were so serious, or was he afraid to do that because he previously suggested we should invade Pakistan to get OBL?</p>
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		<title>By: Mike's America</title>
		<link>http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/07/21/nyts-rejects-mccains-rebuttal-to-obamas-editorial/#comment-99781</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike's America</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 22:05:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;“Written at an eighth grade level”&lt;/i&gt;

You&#039;re right Other Ed. If McCain had wanted to reach Democrat voters he should have lowered his sights to at least 6th grade level.

Clear as a bell it is that the NYTimes and fellow Obama &quot;news&quot; organizations are in the tank for their savior.

What a shame they have discarded their constitutionally protected role of informing the American voter for the role of propping up an inexperienced, ill-informed Chicago political hack.

I challenge those who say the &quot;Fairness Doctrine&quot; be applied to Talk Radio apply the same standard to the &quot;mainstream&quot; print and broadcast media.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>“Written at an eighth grade level”</i></p>
<p>You&#8217;re right Other Ed. If McCain had wanted to reach Democrat voters he should have lowered his sights to at least 6th grade level.</p>
<p>Clear as a bell it is that the NYTimes and fellow Obama &#8220;news&#8221; organizations are in the tank for their savior.</p>
<p>What a shame they have discarded their constitutionally protected role of informing the American voter for the role of propping up an inexperienced, ill-informed Chicago political hack.</p>
<p>I challenge those who say the &#8220;Fairness Doctrine&#8221; be applied to Talk Radio apply the same standard to the &#8220;mainstream&#8221; print and broadcast media.</p>
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		<title>By: Fred</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 21:43:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The NY Times should have published McSame&#039;s editorial. Then the American people would have something to put in the birdcage, or to clean up with after the dog has had an accident.

A shitty editorial deserves a shitty destination.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The NY Times should have published McSame&#8217;s editorial. Then the American people would have something to put in the birdcage, or to clean up with after the dog has had an accident.</p>
<p>A shitty editorial deserves a shitty destination.</p>
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		<title>By: MataHarley</title>
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		<dc:creator>MataHarley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 20:04:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;...and since there is no equal time provision requiring the NYT to print a response, it should at least be interesting and say something of value. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Naw... but elect BHO and watch how fast the DNC three branches of power try to resurrect (and uphold) the Fairness Doctrine.  The NYTs only has this freedom to reject opposing viewpoints because the GOP stood up against the DNC and their cries for &quot;equal time&quot;.  Ironic, don&#039;t you think Mr. Ed?

There&#039;s nothing particularly &quot;8th grade&quot; about the two lifted/pasted paragraphs you chose to read, and pronounce judment on it&#039;s entirety.  Nice going...   Truly fair and open minded of you.   Whatsamatter... need some soaring rhetoric that makes everyone feel good but says nothing?  And considering that the average reading level of the US is right about 8th grade, I&#039;d say some direct language to the masses is appropriate.

So if you&#039;d like to parse language and sentence structure... your&#039;s is too long, punctuated incorrectly, and fragmented.


Fit, INRE your &lt;i&gt;&quot; “Look everybody, we’re getting kicked out because we won!”&lt;/i&gt;  That is not a definition of victory, but it is a result of victory.  The day they are weaned from US aid (and not fall to jihad elements, but keep their elected govt intact) is most definitely a victory for both Iraq, and for OIF.  Tho you are being satirical, it is nothing short of an exhibition of success.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>&#8230;and since there is no equal time provision requiring the NYT to print a response, it should at least be interesting and say something of value. </p></blockquote>
<p>Naw&#8230; but elect BHO and watch how fast the DNC three branches of power try to resurrect (and uphold) the Fairness Doctrine.  The NYTs only has this freedom to reject opposing viewpoints because the GOP stood up against the DNC and their cries for &#8220;equal time&#8221;.  Ironic, don&#8217;t you think Mr. Ed?</p>
<p>There&#8217;s nothing particularly &#8220;8th grade&#8221; about the two lifted/pasted paragraphs you chose to read, and pronounce judment on it&#8217;s entirety.  Nice going&#8230;   Truly fair and open minded of you.   Whatsamatter&#8230; need some soaring rhetoric that makes everyone feel good but says nothing?  And considering that the average reading level of the US is right about 8th grade, I&#8217;d say some direct language to the masses is appropriate.</p>
<p>So if you&#8217;d like to parse language and sentence structure&#8230; your&#8217;s is too long, punctuated incorrectly, and fragmented.</p>
<p>Fit, INRE your <i>&#8221; “Look everybody, we’re getting kicked out because we won!”</i>  That is not a definition of victory, but it is a result of victory.  The day they are weaned from US aid (and not fall to jihad elements, but keep their elected govt intact) is most definitely a victory for both Iraq, and for OIF.  Tho you are being satirical, it is nothing short of an exhibition of success.</p>
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		<title>By: Ralph Kramden</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ralph Kramden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 20:02:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Written at an eighth grade level&quot; is not a bad thing.  Indeed, that might be the ideal level for campaign-related writing.

That said, though, the NYT is under no obligation to act as a conduit for McCain press releases.  After all, &quot;Freedom of the press is guaranteed only to those who own one.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Written at an eighth grade level&#8221; is not a bad thing.  Indeed, that might be the ideal level for campaign-related writing.</p>
<p>That said, though, the NYT is under no obligation to act as a conduit for McCain press releases.  After all, &#8220;Freedom of the press is guaranteed only to those who own one.&#8221;</p>
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