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		<title>By: Wordsmith</title>
		<link>http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/07/16/obamas-principalsor-lack-thereof/#comment-98951</link>
		<dc:creator>Wordsmith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 03:52:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Definitely worth viewing.  Thanks Leah:

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Definitely worth viewing.  Thanks Leah:</p>
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		<title>By: yonason</title>
		<link>http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/07/16/obamas-principalsor-lack-thereof/#comment-98938</link>
		<dc:creator>yonason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 02:03:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Leah, #16

Nice video!  Thanks!</description>
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<p>Nice video!  Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: yonason</title>
		<link>http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/07/16/obamas-principalsor-lack-thereof/#comment-98936</link>
		<dc:creator>yonason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 01:41:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Adrian Sota

You are correct about Obama's confusion, but your conclusion (I presume an appeal to reason?) is misplaced.  Obama is popular because people , when confronted with the irrational, don't always respond rationally.  If they find a part of the message attractive, some are perfectly capable of suspending disbelief in order to pursue their "hope" of realizing that limited promise, despite the fact that everything else says "it ain't gonna happen."  

I think the only way to combat that, as I said in a post to another thread, is to get them to realize that what they think is desirable really isn't.  Trying to reason with irrational people is may make you feel good, but it's wasted on them.

But nice try, anyway.  And, who knows, you may actually reach some of them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Adrian Sota</p>
<p>You are correct about Obama&#8217;s confusion, but your conclusion (I presume an appeal to reason?) is misplaced.  Obama is popular because people , when confronted with the irrational, don&#8217;t always respond rationally.  If they find a part of the message attractive, some are perfectly capable of suspending disbelief in order to pursue their &#8220;hope&#8221; of realizing that limited promise, despite the fact that everything else says &#8220;it ain&#8217;t gonna happen.&#8221;  </p>
<p>I think the only way to combat that, as I said in a post to another thread, is to get them to realize that what they think is desirable really isn&#8217;t.  Trying to reason with irrational people is may make you feel good, but it&#8217;s wasted on them.</p>
<p>But nice try, anyway.  And, who knows, you may actually reach some of them.</p>
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		<title>By: Leah</title>
		<link>http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/07/16/obamas-principalsor-lack-thereof/#comment-98917</link>
		<dc:creator>Leah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 00:20:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So this IS from JohnMcCain.com, but it's the truth. 

And just a heads up, it shows your Messiah's flip-flopping in all its glory.

Without further ado, Arthur: this one's for you:

http://www.johnmccain.com/videolanding/documentary.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So this IS from JohnMcCain.com, but it&#8217;s the truth. </p>
<p>And just a heads up, it shows your Messiah&#8217;s flip-flopping in all its glory.</p>
<p>Without further ado, Arthur: this one&#8217;s for you:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.johnmccain.com/videolanding/documentary.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.johnmccain.com/videolanding/documentary.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: Arthurstone</title>
		<link>http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/07/16/obamas-principalsor-lack-thereof/#comment-98843</link>
		<dc:creator>Arthurstone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 18:32:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike, in full name calling mode, typed:

Libtards like “Arthur” sold their souls to the devil years ago and don’t regret it one bit.



Yet another 'discussion' of the 'issues' right Mike?

As for 'flip-flop(s)', a completely subjective term which seems a favorite the truly lazy and incurious, let's take a moment for the late, unlamented Richard Milhouse Nixon:

"Circumstances change..."

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=92426950</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike, in full name calling mode, typed:</p>
<p>Libtards like “Arthur” sold their souls to the devil years ago and don’t regret it one bit.</p>
<p>Yet another &#8216;discussion&#8217; of the &#8216;issues&#8217; right Mike?</p>
<p>As for &#8216;flip-flop(s)&#8217;, a completely subjective term which seems a favorite the truly lazy and incurious, let&#8217;s take a moment for the late, unlamented Richard Milhouse Nixon:</p>
<p>&#8220;Circumstances change&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=92426950" rel="nofollow">http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=92426950</a></p>
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		<title>By: Mike's America</title>
		<link>http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/07/16/obamas-principalsor-lack-thereof/#comment-98816</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike's America</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 17:38:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Leah: Let's cut to the chase.

"Arthur" and the Obamatons don't care if their annointed one flip flops. They don't care if he backtracks on every single issue they claim is so important and constantly complain about when it's Bush talking about it.

The ONLY thing they care about is naked political power. They have corrupted themselves with hate for anything and anyone witn an (R) after their name.

Libtards like "Arthur" sold their souls to the devil years ago and don't regret it one bit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Leah: Let&#8217;s cut to the chase.</p>
<p>&#8220;Arthur&#8221; and the Obamatons don&#8217;t care if their annointed one flip flops. They don&#8217;t care if he backtracks on every single issue they claim is so important and constantly complain about when it&#8217;s Bush talking about it.</p>
<p>The ONLY thing they care about is naked political power. They have corrupted themselves with hate for anything and anyone witn an (R) after their name.</p>
<p>Libtards like &#8220;Arthur&#8221; sold their souls to the devil years ago and don&#8217;t regret it one bit.</p>
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		<title>By: Leah</title>
		<link>http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/07/16/obamas-principalsor-lack-thereof/#comment-98803</link>
		<dc:creator>Leah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 16:44:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wait a minute, Arthur...you'll avoid reading a piece when it reveals the truth? 

He *does* flip-flop. Granted, it's a characteristic of every politician, and I'm not denying that McCain hasn't done it either, but it's pretty much common knowledge by now that Obama does it as a convenient political tactic, to get the central voters. You can't deny what's fact, and not reading about it will definitely not make it any less true.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wait a minute, Arthur&#8230;you&#8217;ll avoid reading a piece when it reveals the truth? </p>
<p>He *does* flip-flop. Granted, it&#8217;s a characteristic of every politician, and I&#8217;m not denying that McCain hasn&#8217;t done it either, but it&#8217;s pretty much common knowledge by now that Obama does it as a convenient political tactic, to get the central voters. You can&#8217;t deny what&#8217;s fact, and not reading about it will definitely not make it any less true.</p>
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		<title>By: Arthurstone</title>
		<link>http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/07/16/obamas-principalsor-lack-thereof/#comment-98797</link>
		<dc:creator>Arthurstone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 16:21:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>'Dick Morris' and 'principles' in the same paragraph.

Cognitive dissonance is the phrase which comes to mind.

One useful strategy I've adopted:

Stop reading a piece whenever 'flip flop' or any variation thereof occurs.

One can avoid great steaming piles of intellectual dishonesty that way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;Dick Morris&#8217; and &#8216;principles&#8217; in the same paragraph.</p>
<p>Cognitive dissonance is the phrase which comes to mind.</p>
<p>One useful strategy I&#8217;ve adopted:</p>
<p>Stop reading a piece whenever &#8216;flip flop&#8217; or any variation thereof occurs.</p>
<p>One can avoid great steaming piles of intellectual dishonesty that way.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike's America</title>
		<link>http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/07/16/obamas-principalsor-lack-thereof/#comment-98791</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike's America</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 15:43:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As usual Fit Fit misses the point.

When I personally confronted McCain with some of his views that upset the conservative base he didn't try to weasel around it. In fact, he was very direct and said that he thought his positions  were the right ones to take on these issues and he stood by that decision. And he said if that bothers you so much, then don't vote for him.

And I didn't in the primary. But I did admire McCain's willingness to give me "straight talk" especially as the event occurred at a time when nearly everyone thought his campaign was dead.

Obama doesn't have McCain's moral and intellectual courage. Have you ever heard him tell one of his supporters who doesn't like his flip flops not to vote for him?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As usual Fit Fit misses the point.</p>
<p>When I personally confronted McCain with some of his views that upset the conservative base he didn&#8217;t try to weasel around it. In fact, he was very direct and said that he thought his positions  were the right ones to take on these issues and he stood by that decision. And he said if that bothers you so much, then don&#8217;t vote for him.</p>
<p>And I didn&#8217;t in the primary. But I did admire McCain&#8217;s willingness to give me &#8220;straight talk&#8221; especially as the event occurred at a time when nearly everyone thought his campaign was dead.</p>
<p>Obama doesn&#8217;t have McCain&#8217;s moral and intellectual courage. Have you ever heard him tell one of his supporters who doesn&#8217;t like his flip flops not to vote for him?</p>
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		<title>By: jainphx</title>
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		<dc:creator>jainphx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 14:13:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This coming from one who said it was a private matter, now admits infidelity. Zounds check and see if some pigs are flying. What other revelations can we expect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This coming from one who said it was a private matter, now admits infidelity. Zounds check and see if some pigs are flying. What other revelations can we expect.</p>
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		<title>By: No Runny Eggs &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The Morning Scramble/Open Thread Thursday - 7/17/2008</title>
		<link>http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/07/16/obamas-principalsor-lack-thereof/#comment-98758</link>
		<dc:creator>No Runny Eggs &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The Morning Scramble/Open Thread Thursday - 7/17/2008</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 14:11:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Curt found no principles from Obama. I must disagree that there is no history though; while there isn&#8217;t much, it is of a far-left nature. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Curt found no principles from Obama. I must disagree that there is no history though; while there isn&#8217;t much, it is of a far-left nature. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Fit fit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fit fit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 12:30:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;On the other hand McCain has decades of crossing the aisle and making his base mad as hell, because of his principals. If he believes in it he does it. Consequences from his base be damned. While I disagree with him on much, this character trait is something I respect highly in both Bush and McCain.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Saying you respect McCain for &lt;a href="http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/15924.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;sticking to his principles&lt;/a&gt; sounds as stupid as saying you respect Bill Clinton for his marital fidelity.

The only issues he hasn't fully compromised on is immigration reform and gun rights.  And he spends a lot more time talking to La Raza than the NRA...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>On the other hand McCain has decades of crossing the aisle and making his base mad as hell, because of his principals. If he believes in it he does it. Consequences from his base be damned. While I disagree with him on much, this character trait is something I respect highly in both Bush and McCain.</p></blockquote>
<p>Saying you respect McCain for <a href="http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/15924.html" rel="nofollow">sticking to his principles</a> sounds as stupid as saying you respect Bill Clinton for his marital fidelity.</p>
<p>The only issues he hasn&#8217;t fully compromised on is immigration reform and gun rights.  And he spends a lot more time talking to La Raza than the NRA&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Leah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 05:40:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, there are a lot of those liberals you speak of around, Gregory - sadly, in my very own family. And it bugs me that people cannot see through all that Obama says and does. It's time for a change, all right - change from the Democratic chokehold our country is under. I've had the chance to attempt a discussion with a few of these strong Obamoron supporters, and the way they think and support their facts is fallacious to a scary degree. I fear for our country should he get elected. God forbid!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, there are a lot of those liberals you speak of around, Gregory - sadly, in my very own family. And it bugs me that people cannot see through all that Obama says and does. It&#8217;s time for a change, all right - change from the Democratic chokehold our country is under. I&#8217;ve had the chance to attempt a discussion with a few of these strong Obamoron supporters, and the way they think and support their facts is fallacious to a scary degree. I fear for our country should he get elected. God forbid!</p>
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		<title>By: Gregory Dittman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gregory Dittman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 05:31:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree, he isn't flip flopping, he is just lying and the truth will come out if he gets elected.  He is hoping to pull some of the conservative votes his way because he knows the liberals will vote for him just because he is a Democrat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree, he isn&#8217;t flip flopping, he is just lying and the truth will come out if he gets elected.  He is hoping to pull some of the conservative votes his way because he knows the liberals will vote for him just because he is a Democrat.</p>
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		<title>By: doug</title>
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		<dc:creator>doug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 05:29:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, "consequences to  his base be damned" :
http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/16124.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, &#8220;consequences to  his base be damned&#8221; :<br />
<a href="http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/16124.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/16124.html</a></p>
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