The left is boo-hooing about this video today of a terrorist and killer crying like a baby as he is interrogated at Gitmo: (h/t Gateway Pundit)
Feel sorry for him?
Puhlease.
What did this “kid” do? He threw a grenade that killed a American soldier plus:
After his capture a video was found that shows Khadr toying with detonating cord as other men including Abu Laith al-Libi assemble explosives in the same house that had been destroyed in the firefight. He was also seen planting landmines while smiling and joking with the cameraman. It has been suggested that these were the same landmines later recovered by American forces on a road between Gardez and Khowst.
He is charged with five war crimes including murder.
Still feel sorry for him?
And now the fallout from the Boudemaine decision is being felt:
Omar Khadr appears for the first time Wednesday before a military judge whose reputation for working quickly through trial preliminaries has earned him the nickname “rocket-docket.”
As the prosecution presses for an early trial date, army Col. Patrick Parrish is expected to process a virtual conveyor belt of defence motions more rapidly than his predecessor, who refused to be rushed.
Khadr’s defence team does not want to go to trial, arguing the proceedings before the United States war crimes commissions at the U.S. naval base in Cuba, are unfair.
But Parrish, who has been on the job for a little more than two weeks, has already shown his determination to press on.
On the weekend, he rejected a request from Khadr’s defence lawyers to postpone Wednesday’s hearing to give them more time to assess the implications of last week’s U.S. Supreme Court ruling on detainee rights.
In a 5-4 decision, the court placed a question mark over the Bush administration’s policy on holding foreign terror suspects, saying they have a “habeas corpus” right under the U.S. Constitution to challenge their detention in U.S. civilian courts.
Against that backdrop, navy Lt.-Cmdr. Bill Kuebler, Khadr’s military-appointed defence lawyer, will use Wednesday’s hearing to argue that the entire case against the Toronto-born accused terrorist should be thrown out on grounds U.S. authorities have never told him of his rights.
The lawyer had previously argued that the interrogators had destroyed their notes in some evil plot to withhold evidence.
The Pentagon urged interrogators at Guantanamo Bay to destroy handwritten notes in case they were called to testify about potentially harsh treatment of detainees, a military defense lawyer said Sunday.
The lawyer for Toronto-born Omar Khadr, Lt. Cmdr. William Kuebler, said the instructions were included in an operations manual shown to him by prosecutors and suggest the U.S. deliberately thwarted evidence that could help terror suspects defend themselves at trial.
Kuebler said the apparent destruction of evidence prevents him from challenging the reliability of any alleged confessions.
They left out one thing. Alex Knapp reports that the notes we’re ordered destroyed after a typewritten copy was finished.
Now that I’ve delved a little more deeply into this, a few more things have come to light.
(1) The operations manual apparently only orders the destruction of the handwritten notes after the creation of formalized typed notes or a formal intelligence report.
(2) Under normal circumstances, that type of procedure would probably be acceptable, and there’s not too much to object to there.
(3) The key words, though, are “under normal circumstances.” The Defense counsel in this case are making the argument that the handwritten notes should be preserved in order to impeach hearsay testimony. In a normal court of law, of course, this would not be necessary because hearsay is typically inadmissible (although there are exceptions). In the detainee trials at Guatanamo, however, hearsay is admissible, and so defense counsel wants access to the original notes.
As a policy matter, I would prefer that these notes be kept for detainee hearings. This is because I generally favor a maximum amount of transparency when it comes to prisoner interrogations in any setting. Indeed, if it were up to me, every interrogation in the criminal justice system would be videotaped (as is the law already in a handful of states). That said, from the standpoint of the current law, there may not be anything illegal in what has been ordered. And given that the handwritten notes are replaced with formal notes and/or reports, the taint of coverup in the initial reports is markedly diminished.
The only thing to cry about in this case is that it only proves we have completely reverted back to September 10th, 2001.
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I see what troops the left supports.
This video appeared today in Spain in the main TV channels. Unfortunately, they always present Guantanamo military base from a negative point of view. The media in Spain, as in many countries, are leftish. The way they present here the information is: Americans torture prisoners in Guantanamo. Period.
They never say “terrorists”.
OMG! Guilt trips must be against the Geneva Conventions.
Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!!!!!!
What crap
Did I miss something?
Was this 15 year old or any other prisoner given a fair trial and then found guilty of anything?
In comparison to the Spanish and especially the London train bombings the USA has done spectacularly poorly in finding anyone guilty of anything.
I wonder why that is?
Steven.
What do you know about the Spanish bombings?
NO LINK with Al Qada was found.
Almost 30 prisoners in trial. The guys that were supposedly the organizers, were not charged for the Madrid bombings, just for minor charges not related with the terrorist attack.
Only 3 guys were convicted for having relation with the bombings. One of them is Spanish. The other two are from Morocco, but not Islamists at all.
14 explosions, and they don’t know the type of explosive used.
Many terrorists involved (supposedly) and NO ONE SINGLE IMAGE of the terrorists getting into the trains or in the different train stations.
Of course, no suiciders (the only jihadist attack in the world without suicide bombers).
WE DON’T KNOW WHO ORGANIZED AND PERFORMED THE MADRID ATTACKS.
This says all we need to know about the American Left. They’re traitors to America. They care more about the enemy than their own dead troops.
This guy went to Afghanistan to fight in what he believed was a war. Yes it was a war against America but it was, nevertheless, a war. We, too, believe it is a war — we just don’t call it that to evade International Law. Hardly a sound basis to abandon our principles.
But abandon them we have. To say we are justified in torturing some low-level foot soldier like this kid because he killed an American Soldier (which isn’t proven by the way), is just justification. But justifications don’t matter. Certainly the Japanese had their justifications for torturing our soldiers when they were captured and the Vietnamese had their justifications for torturing our soldiers when they were captured and the Russians had their justifications for killing their own people and the Germans had justifications for liquidating a race. At the end of the day there is right and there is wrong. And this is wrong.
You’re kidding yourself if you think this is about whether he “deserves it.” Before he was captured he “deserved” to die. But, once he surrenders or is captured he is a soldier entitled to be treated as we would hope our troops would be treated. If the acknowledged “evil” Germans had the capability to give our soldiers those protections then so do we. By torturing this guy we are acting no better than the Japanese did during World War II. They were immoral. Now we are too.
This isn’t (or shouldn’t be) a “liberal” or “conservative” issue — it’s a moral and common sense issue. Protection of the laws and international morality aren’t mutually exclusive to “caring about our troops.” If you really cared about our troops you would care about something larger than this one guy. Because the fact is if we do this to their troops, they have the right to do it to ours.
ok, so now we stop capturing them at all… now we will, per the Geneva conventions, start conducting summary trials and executions on charges that those people are enemy soldiers that are out of uniform and thus spies…
problem solved
I’m sorry, but I have a hard time pitying someone who willingly killed one of the men fighting for this country so that I can be safe, so that I could have my freedom. I don’t care if he’s 15 or if he’s 40; if he has the mindset to do it, he’s equally guilty. And true, there is the moral issue to all of this, but where was that morality when he blew up our men? I’m supposed to pity him because he showed a few crocodile tears?
I can’t believe they’re pushing to get him off on a bogus charge such as not having his rights read to him. Instances like these I really abhor the American justice system.
To Dicktard:
Which part of the following don’t you understand?
The Geneva Conventions apply only to combatants who wear a uniform and fight for a country that signed onto the Geneva Conventions.
Now, with that as a hard, undeniable fact, what the hell torture did you see in that video? I saw a scared kid who bit off more than he could chew being talked to by the “school principal”. Hell, my damn drill instructors at Parris Island abused me more than that and I never considered it torture. You pansy liberals need to just sit down, shut up and let real men straighten out the messes you’ve created for the past century. Sheeesh!
Follow up to Dicktard:
You said: “If you really cared about our troops you would care about something larger than this one guy. Because the fact is if we do this to their troops, they have the right to do it to ours.”
Remember Mogadishu, Dick? That was way before 9/11. Remember the bodies of our troops being dragged through the streets? Remember the people who have been beheaded in Iraq by the death cult worshippers of Islam? Remember the contractors hung from a bridge who were mutilated? Do you honestly believe that they need an excuse to be the barbarians that they are? You are so uninformed and naive that it’s frightening.
The Germans did not follow the Geneva Conventions to the letter during WWII as you absurdly assert. To put us on the same moral plane as the Japanese during WWII shows your complete ignorance or your anti-American colors. In either case, you are to be pitied.
Boo-hoo, a killer is evidently a cry-baby too.
Lt.C. Ralph Peters on Omar Khadr Gitmo Tape: “We Should Have Killed That Punk on a Battlefield where it was legal to do so!”
Watch video at http://muslimsagainstsharia.blogspot.com/2008/07/ltc-ralph-peters-on-omar-khadr-gitmo.html
Lt.Colonel Peters you are freaking fantastic, kudos for telling the absolute truth!!!
Was he crying on 9-11, or passing out candy, dancing in the streets of his neighborhood, and partying because his brothers killed 3000 innocent men, women and children?
This is a first: a crying terrorist!
“This is a first: a crying terrorist!”
Hardly. Those bitches look very brave when they deal with women and children. When caught, most of them are crying like little pussies they are.
Exactly, this is how bullies act, beat up the weak. Well, now this cry baby can hang out with the big demon dudes, and become a butt buddy, and see how that feels being the weak one. He’s going to be doing more than crying in his future!
Hah. A “butt buddy”.
Seriously, you want equal treatment for these guys as our own criminals? Put these guys in the same cell as the serial rapists and murderers. That ought to teach them a lesson.
Welcome to America. Enjoy your stay.
oh, no. I don’t want them to have equal treatment with American criminals at all. The only thing they are equal with is satan!
Hypocrisy of the “Repatriate Omar Khadr to Canada” Movement
As soon as the Gitmo interrogation tape of Omar Khadr hit the Internet, the blogosphere was flooded with demands to repatriate him to Canada. This wave is reminiscent of a Soviet campaign to free Luis Corvalán from the “fascist regime” of Augusto Pinochet thirty five years ago. The scenario is strikingly similar. A “victim” held by “fascist regimes” this time run by Bush and Harper, and a public outcry for justice. Except for the fact that Luis Corvalán didn’t kill anyone and didn’t fight for a terrorist group that wants to impose Sharia.
The “repatriate Khadr” crowd describes him as “a child”, “a kid”, “a boy”, and even “a torture victim”, with no facts to substantiate the torture claims notwithstanding. They complain about Khadr being mistreated, again, without anything to back up their claims. Some of them are outraged about “child abuse.” And they all scream for justice.
They want justice? OK, let’s talk about JUSTICE. What about justice for Sgt. First Class Christopher J. Speer, who was (according to an eyewitness) murdered by this “child”? What about justice for Tabitha Speer, who is a widow because of this “kid”? What about justice for Taryn and Tanner Speer, who are left without a father by this “a boy”? And what about all those Afghani civilians and NATO troops who are a little bit safer because this “torture victim” is behind bars? How many of these “repatriate Khadr” hypocrites concern themselves with justice for real victims? In literally hundreds of posts, we couldn’t find a single one.
One would ask, what is the reason for this idiocy? The answer is simple. Ignorance. Complete and utter ignorance. Let’s forget for a second that Omar Khadr killed Christopher Speer. Let’s forget that Khadr’s father was an al Qaeda financier. Let’s forget that Khadr’s family is known for it being al Qaeda sympathizers. Let’s just remember what this “child” was fighting for in Afghanistan.
This is what Taliban-imposed Sharia looks like in real life: http://muslimsagainstsharia.blogspot.com/2000/07/hypocrisy-of-repatriate-omar-khadr-to.html
Why don’t all of you, bleeding heart demagogues go to Afghanistan and spend a day in a Taliban-controlled territory? And let’s talk about Khadr when you get back. If you get back.
Well said, MAS above me. Well said.
Those pictures on that site…reminds me of the genocide of the Armenians. Tortured in the similar way.
First: I’m not saying Chris Speer deserved to die, I’m sure he was a lovely man. But when you go to fight, there is always a risk that you might not come back. If you don’t want that risk, then don’t go. I’m not saying he wasn’t a hero, or that he didn’t matter, but if we were to prosecute every single person who had ever killed a soldier in battle, all the jails in the world would be chock-a-block full of war criminals.
Second: In the USA, there is a basic principle of justice – INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY. What evidence do you – or anyone – have that Omar did it? No matter what someone’s past crimes may be, you cannot punish someone for something they did not commit, or something you cannot prove they committed.
Third: Even if Omar did do it, he was a child soldier! I blame his father more than anything else, because he was the one who put all the crap about suicide bombing and martyrdom into his head. There is a HUGE difference between a 15-year-old murderer in the USA who shoots someone. In that case, the person would probably know exactly what they were doing, and would not have been coerced by anyone. Omar was brought up to honour suicide bombers and he was taught to kill. If he did do it, then he would have been taught to do it – and all that other stuff you talk about, like planting landmines. He probably thought it was normal, because his father taught him it was normal. If he had been brought up in Canada, which is not a war zone, he probably wouldn’t have done it.
Fourth: The guards at Guantanamo Bay who guard him have said he is ‘salvagable’. Not the words I would use, but it implies that if he is rehabilitated, as the law requires for child soldiers, then he could lead a long productive life. But if he is kept in jail, he could end up getting angrier and angrier, and if he is let out without rehab, the consequences could be devastating?
Fifth (and final thing): To the person who posted this, what’s with dissing the liberals? If you had been forcibly separated from your family for years, I’ll bet you’d have been crying too! It’s not just the liberals that get a little weepy, you know! They may not be perfect, but there have been some great liberal prime ministers! nd I would much rather be ruled by a ‘bleeding heart liberal’ than a cold-hearted conservative like Stephen Harper, who is an embarrassment to Canada.
First, I say we let Marion Wilson adopt poor little Omar. He can stay in her home during a trial by jury in the US. Then when the jury finds him innocent because lack of Miranda rights, lack of evidence collected a and contaminated crime scene, alas, no tape, he can live happily ever after with Marion. Reminder, we have soldiers, not policemen fighting this war.
Second, even a brainwashed 15 year old has to have a clue that if he shows up on a battlefield and kills a soldier, something untoward just might happen to him.
Third, perhaps you can get a deal on bullet proof vests and the dead bolts you’re going to need for all your doors if you buy in quantity. Picture a warm and charming family meal with Omar, the bulked up family and the knives missing from the place settings.
Haven’t changed my mind since 1979,
war crimes should be punished by death, especially if your smiling laying road mines.
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