Obama wrote an editorial in the pages of the New York Times today and boy can he dance.
In the 18 months since President Bush announced the surge, our troops have performed heroically in bringing down the level of violence. New tactics have protected the Iraqi population, and the Sunni tribes have rejected Al Qaeda — greatly weakening its effectiveness.
But the same factors that led me to oppose the surge still hold true. The strain on our military has grown, the situation in Afghanistan has deteriorated and we’ve spent nearly $200 billion more in Iraq than we had budgeted. Iraq’s leaders have failed to invest tens of billions of dollars in oil revenues in rebuilding their own country, and they have not reached the political accommodation that was the stated purpose of the surge.
Oh please. Obama opposed the surge because he didn’t think it would work.
“I am not persuaded that 20,000 additional troops in Iraq is going to solve the sectarian violence there. In fact, I think it will do the reverse.” (MSNBC’s “Response To The President’s Speech On Iraq,” 1/10/07)
We cannot impose a military solution on what has effectively become a civil war. And until we acknowledge that reality — we can send 15,000 more troops, 20,000 more troops, 30,000 more troops, I don’t know any expert on the region or any military officer that I’ve spoken to privately that believes that that is going to make a substantial difference on the situation on the ground.” (CBS’ “Face The Nation,” 1/14/07)
“[E]ven those who are supporting — but here’s the thing, Larry — even those who support the escalation have acknowledged that 20,000, 30,000, even 40,000 more troops placed temporarily in places like Baghdad are not going to make a long-term difference.” (CNN’s “Larry King Live,” 3/19/07)
“And what I know is that what our troops deserve is not just rhetoric, they deserve a new plan. Governor Romney and Senator McCain clearly believe that the course that we’re on in Iraq is working, I do not.” (Sen. Barack Obama, Remarks To The Coalition Of Black Trade Unionists Convention, Chicago, IL, 5/25/07)
“My assessment is that the surge has not worked and we will not see a different report eight weeks from now.” (NBC’s “The Today Show,” 7/18/07)
“Finally, in 2006-2007, we started to see that, even after an election, George Bush continued to want to pursue a course that didn’t withdraw troops from Iraq but actually doubled them and initiated a search and at that stage I said very clearly, not only have we not seen improvements, but we’re actually worsening, potentially, a situation there.” (NBC’s “Meet The Press,” 11/11/07)
He was wrong and instead of admitting this fact he hems and haws about the cost, the war in Afghanistan, and the political situation which by the way is moving along quite well as the US Embassy report stated 15 of the 18 benchmarks have been met. As for Afghanistan, if he cared that much about the country you think maybe he would of voted aye in May of 07 instead of nay?
Obama Voted Against Providing $94.4 Billion In Critical Funding For The Troops In Iraq And Afghanistan. (H.R. 2206, CQ Vote #181: Passed 80-14: R 42-3; D 37-10; I 1-1, 5/24/07, Obama Voted Nay)
His op-ed was wrong on the assertion that Maliki stated he wanted a withdrawal of our troops:
The call by Prime Minister Nuri Kamal al-Maliki for a timetable for the removal of American troops from Iraq presents an enormous opportunity.
The key statement cited by Mr Obama and others was made by Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri Maliki last Monday in his address to Arab ambassadors in the United Arab Emirates.
The prime minister was widely quoted as saying that in the negotiations with the Americans on a Status of Forces Agreement to regulate the US troop presence from next year, “the direction is towards either a memorandum of understanding on their evacuation, or a memorandum of understanding on a timetable for their withdrawal”.
That was the version of Mr Maliki’s remarks put out in writing by his office in Baghdad.
It was widely circulated by the news media, and caught much attention, including that of Mr Obama.
There is only one problem. It is not what Mr Maliki actually said.
In an audio recording of his remarks, heard by the BBC, the prime minister did not use the word “withdrawal”.
What he actually said was: “The direction is towards either a memorandum of understanding on their evacuation, or a memorandum of understanding on programming their presence.”
Even the Iraqi National Security Adviser said something that sound suspiciously like what Bush and McCain have been saying for quite some time:
He said the talks were focused on agreeing on “timeline horizons, not specific dates”, and said that withdrawal timings would depend on the readiness of the Iraqi security forces.
To put his foot in his mouth even more Obama wrote:
Iraq is not the central front in the war on terrorism, and it never has been.
Cough. Osama said this about Iraq a few years ago:
“Third World War is raging”
And Zawahiri said the following in a letter to Zarqawi:
I want to be the first to congratulate you for what God has blessed you with in terms of fighting battle in the heart of the Islamic world, which was formerly the field for major battles in Islam’s history, and what is now the place for the greatest battle of Islam in this era
Seems the terrorists think Iraq is the central front, why don’t you Senator?
Shoddy piece of work by a shoddy politician. Basically he strung together a bunch of old tired Democrat talking points and then threw it all into a op-ed….sad
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Oh please. Obama opposed the surge because he didn’t think it would work.
No, he opposed the surge because he didn’t want it to work. After all, the dims talked down the surge weeks before it even started saying it was a failure. And they have talked down the Iraq war from almost the very beginning. They cannot allow Bush to win this war. They cannot allow Bush to bring peace to the ME. It would give him and the republican party too much prestige.
Well, the dims have worked hard to brainwash the American public and succeeded to a point. If Bush had been the type of politician who raised his finger into the air to see which way the wind was blowing they might have succeeded but he was not. He stood firm against the worst onslaught of abuse ever sent a president’s way from both his party and the dims. He succeeded in spite of it. When history compares him to Clinton, thre will be no question of who is great and who is not. History will call Clinton narcissistic and self-centered and they will call Bush a man who stood firm for his principles. Bush will be one of the great presidents
In the article Obambi said:
“I would consult with commanders on the ground and the Iraqi government to ensure that our troops were redeployed safely, and our interests protected.”
Just wondering what interests is he talking about and how does he intend to protect them ?
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Oh yeah, what a hawk.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZVqGuwRqnw
Hey Curt, note to whom he spoke… and when:
Snip:
One way to relieve this stress is to increase the size of the Army and Marine Corps. Obama’s plans for a 65,000-person increase in the Army and a 27,000-person increase in the Marine Corps match plans already underway. He said he is not sure about personnel levels for the Navy and Air Force, but “I don’t anticipate a reduction” for those two services.add that he wanted to increase the military after his cost concerns.
http://www.armytimes.com/news/2008/07/military_obama_070708/
Gee, I remember when he and Romney had a ‘who will add the most troops’ contest last year… after that sex-ed in kindergarten thingie.
Flashback:
re: Obama’s 2007 speech to the Chicago Council on Global Affairs
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/27/AR2007042702027.html
You left out the civilian service jackboots.
http://lonewacko.com/blog/archives/007818.html
Obama got it right. Mostly.
To begin with let’s declare SOFA kaput for Bush Administration wrangling. Let’s therefore say, since it’s now hanging by a thread, Iraqis won and Bush (and McCain, too) lost. Why do I say this? Quite simply because a long-term occupation of Iraq was the goal for the Administration, and it failed. That’s the good news; it’s needs to be proclaimed.
Those that say otherwise, that long-term intentions were not in their game plan, weren’t playing enough attention. At the end of 2008, the United Nation’s security mandate authorizing American combat operations will expire. To replace the mandate Bush and Maliki issued a “Declaration of Principles for a Long-Term Relationship of Cooperation and Friendship” in November of 2007. Based on this Declaration, the administration and the Iraqi government were working to issue a SOFA Agreement by the end of July. The Declaration is broader than the SOFA would have been. Therefore we already know the general goal of the Administration’s efforts were to secure an arrangement where the US would “stabilize” Iraq on the long term models of South Korea and Germany US militarization.
Therefore, like all a long-day’s light it must end, it’s required to come to a twilight, it’s the natural designs of things that they cannot endure more than what their intended purpose calls for. For there to have been an arranged long-term occupation of Iraq by Bush and Maliki, Iraq would have had to have been a US military based proxy for the United States. Yet such a conceptual configuration only ends in contradiction if the legitimated terms for such a longterm occupation result in a denial of sovereignty. And they do.
The BBC piece Curt quotes from illustrates the tremendous pressures Maliki was under and how his balancing act is a continuous inartful stumble as he tries to walk back his public statements in his press releases that advocate an impatience with foreign troops on his soil:
I say forget worrying about whether or not Maliki’s using the word ‘withdrawal’ in the speech =it’s simply irrelevant= …just listen to what the gist of what he said: “The goal is to end the presence [of foreign troops].” That’s been his montra ever since SOFA leaks fell on Iraqi ears and Sistani was awoken.
So, now Maliki wants out of the Declaration of Principles, he wants out of SOFA; if he’s not out of them, isn’t pushing for a troop goal exit, he’s out of office.
The pact that the US and Iraq will now probably have will probably only make it to fall or winter of ’09, no more. By that time the new president will have been hammering away at a new SOFA, new terms, dates, hopes, goals and so on. And most certainly, the public pressure isn’t going to let up. So, that it– who gives a sh*t now on about a time-table. (Anyway, if Sistani says ‘go!’, we go– He’s had a significant impact on the development of this security scenario, yet never a word about him on right wing blogs. It’s as if denial were a conservative virus here.)
Again, Maliki, out of public pressure and the gravity of the elections, has cut the Bush administration’s own demands on Iraq beyond the bone, and then thrown the bone to the next president. That’s what has happened. What’s now being forged is on a ‘paper napkin’, it’s formality is TEMPORARY–less than a year’s time.
Of course, Maliki and Bush are hoping that this temporary protocol will now be able to circumvent full parliamentary review and a two-thirds vote Maliki has promised for a SOFA. Will it? If so, this way at least something legally binding gets through. If it gets that far, then the rest is up to GOP and McCain– if they can will the election.
(After all is said and done, when one thinks about it, the enduring testament of the Bush administration’s legacy ends here on Iraq: by almost any means necessary it pushed the U.S. towards a long-term occupation of a foreign country, while actively circumventing the democratic procedures and sentiment of both countries that oppose it, yet it failed.
So, will the 2009 pact accent withdrawals, be condition based, as well as ‘horizon time-lined’, be approved by Parliament, will it be authoritative, structured, construed…? Who knows at this point. Certainly there will be attempts for a language that will try to force Iraq to maintain a heavy troop base presence. But can it be done without the public and parliament finding out …and yet another public backlast over the occupation– can Maliki even afford it? You have to wonder.
Therefore, here Bush lost. It’s now in the hands of the next president.
BTW– O’Hanlon, reportedly ‘livid’ over Obama’s NYT’s piece, wonders why Obama wrote the piece just before going to Iraq: the above explains why. O’Hanlon knows it, too. He’s just too angry, along with many others, to see the facts as they are yet.
http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/republican-national-committee-they-said/story.aspx?guid=%7B7BC2273B-B9CD-4B46-BBF7-6287310A5131%7D&dist=hppr
Doug, guy… you having a bad couple of days or something?? Generally you have something to substantiate your statements. But lately, you’re clinging to your own “bitter” opinions and piss poor analyses instead of facts.
First off: SOFAs… it matters not if they don’t come to agreement or not. They can either renew the UN mandate to let the next POTUS battle it out, or not renew and we can come home. But there are issues the US needs to battle for on behalf or *our* troops in these SOFAs. You place too much on the contentious negotiations, and again are premature with your doom ‘n’ gloom.
Quite frankly, none of this negotiating should be a surprise. Since they know Bush’s is going to be gone, they may just prefer to do more pushing/shoving to delay, and telegraph what they want to the next POTUS. Nothing outrageous about that. And if it’s a President Obama, I fear they will get all they want and more…. hanging our troops and contractors – and their protection – out to dry.
You sweat the SOFAs overly much – casting them as the lead player in your fantasy play of “Bush Failure”. You present them as the harbinger of strategic loss. If they don’t come to agreement, Iraq is on it’s own, sans US help. I wish they were that confident, but I believe they aren’t to that point yet. So there will be much pushing and shoving in order to get the upper hand on the final agreement in Bush’s final days, or in the pre-assumption days of the new POTUS.
But the fat lady ain’t on stage yet. She’s not even in the wings, but merely knocking at the stage door. Your “expertise” in this is biased, and based on nothing but what you think you see in your own crystal ball.
But you, my friend, constantly root for the wrong side, IMHO. I must ask you… just what is this unseeming glee you derive from foreseeing a US failure?
Also, you bet your tuckus that Maliki, or any leader of a Muslim country, has to do a careful wire act of balance between working with the US – and the perception of that relationship with the country’s citizens. Pakistan’s Musharraf is a prime example of a “hostile” ally, so to speak. If you expect anything different from a “Muslim” ally, then your naivety is beyond words. At best, we can only hope for quiet cooperation behind the scenes, and public chastising for show. i.e… do you see your predicted fallout for the raid that killed a Maliki relative? You do remember your doom ‘n’ gloom forecasts for that event, yes? We got a public “tut tut” in strong words, and it has slipped quietly into the night and out of the front page headlines. So your seer skills are decidedly lacking, and your credibility fer sheeeet on your predictions.
Secondly, your statement:
Just plain an outright lie, Doug. Really now. Again, you rely on a piss poor analysis of the Declaration of Principles. No permanent bases has always been the plan from this administration.
If you don’t believe you’re propagating an outright lie, that means you can only defend your statement by parsing the words, “long term”…. ala a 2008 version of “it all depends on what the meaning of *is*.. is”.
If the 2007 Declaration of Principles is your foundation for your perceived “long term occupation of Iraq was the goal”, then even the anti-free-Iraq Obama is on the same page for what is a reasonable plan for Iraq stability. Such is a proven method for stablizing a nation after regime change. Yet you spit it out like it’s annexing Iraq as the 51st State… or the 58th in the case of Obama’s nation.
“long term occupation” my ass. You deliberately misrepresent something in order to portray this US President as some sort of land grabber/empire builder. And frankly, it’s getting on my nerves.
BHO (in his speech today) says he plans to leave troops in Iraq for training, back up security and going after foreign terrorist cells. This basic idea differs not one iota from the current plan for US presence in Iraq. Thereby the “long term” occupation will contine until the Iraqis ask us to formally remove all troops and bases… just as it would be if this POTUS were at the beginning of another term. That “long term” occupation not only hasn’t “failed”, but has been promised to be continued even by the ever vacillating, BHO… providing MoveOn.org doesn’t get to him with other plans. Which then brings us to the purpose of the D of P.
The D of P are, in essence, promises made on behalf of the US to watch the Iraqis backs until they are fully confident on their own to ask for total removal of all US/coalition forces. The Iraqis need to be secure that the US will stand by that fledgling country until it’s self-sufficient. Ask the Afghanis, who were treated to views of our backs as the US bugged out early decades ago. It is their insurance that a POTUS desiring to cave to liberal activist lobbists doesn’t throw Iraq to the jihadist wolves merely for domestic popularity.
You are incorrect that Sistani is never mentioned on conservative blogs. He’s mentioned when he’s relevant. However you also chose to ignore that Sistani not only has not been speaking out to incite trouble, but has consistantly chosen to back the elected Iraq government. Thereby when we speak of the Iraq govt, we are also including their own counseling from Sistani as part of their voice. We have no reason to negotiate with Sistani directly as he is no a position of authority for us to do so. Yet you present him like he’s the unofficial commander of an army laying in wait – looking for the opportune moment to pounce and declare civil war.
Withdrawal has been in the cards because events on the ground dictate that Iraq’s improvement at self-security allows us to come home. That you believe this is a success for the next POTUS is absurd. It would happen under JSM as well as BHO. Not because of them. But because of Bush, Maliki, our military and the Iraqis themselves. No bone to either potential POTUS from me for withdrawal under these circumstances.
Obama “got it right. Mostly”? You’re dreaming if you think he’s doing anything different in the future than this CIC already has planned. Altho I seriously doubt Obama does anything right, as he blindly follows his advisors advice. He has proven he has no back bone, nor moral principles that are worth defending.
For Iraq wonks only: A resource for permanent basing in Iraq:
http://www.comw.org/warreport/iraqarchivepermbase.html
A concise argument for a US long-term presence in Iraq:
http://www.globalpolicy.org/security/issues/iraq/occupation/report/bases.htm
A quicky political narrative on the ‘problem’ in The Declaration of Principles…
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=18357565
So… Democrats said, “Are you kiddin’??”
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/25/world/middleeast/25military.html?_r=1&oref=slogin&fta=y&pagewanted=print
Legalisms, Implications… and ‘hidden agendas’…
http://washingtonindependent.com/view/ensuring-permanence
Evidence for long-term basing…
http://www.globalpolicy.org/security/issues/iraq/occupation/report/bases.htm
If it leaks, it sinks…
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/revealed-secret-plan-to-keep-iraq-under-us-control-840512.html
Now McCain and Cheney have not kept this interest in maintaining a long-term presence in Iraq a secret. They simply keep saying AQ is perpetually ‘on the run’ or ‘victory’ is around the next corner, which it never is:
http://www.wjla.com/news/stories/0308/504352.html
Of course, no one ever defines ‘defeated,’ ‘victory’ or what other adjective used in the war. As long as the specter of AQ is can promote a public reaction, it’s good political feed and holds an unquestioning public by the back of the neck.
In the end the fat lady will sing. She’s testing her pipes right now.
As usual my ‘heavy-linker’ took a wash. Care to pick it out MH?
Done, Doug… see comment #8 to catch up with what came behind for Doug’s additions to the thread. Haven’t read myself, Doug… a bit swamped, but will catch up in a bit.
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Okay, Doug… you’ve succeeded in proving my point that you are parsing the words “long term” and adding the word “occupation” in your own post.
The articles whisper of “hidden agendas” of the D or P’s, and cite proof as US building concrete runways, communications facilities and amenities for our troops that could last “long term”. Gee… what should they have been made of? Dirt runways, mud caked adobe huts and Coleman tents?? BTW, concrete is made up of a good amount of sand… of which they have plenty in Iraq. And any improvement could also be used by Iraqis in the future… ala military as well as commercial airports and local airports. Why build something half ass? Also note, many of these better constructed places were a reconstruction of what Saddam had to begin with. Where’s the conspiracy?
Again, no permanent bases is what has always been said by this admin. I still say you misreprent this as some sort of nefarious conspiracy to take over Iraq without their permission, and present Bush as some land grabber for US territory annexation.
And the fact remains you are still wrong. The “long term” occupation – even by your alarmist definition – will still be carried out… even by a President Obama. That’s because it’s prudent to back up that country (as long as they request us to do so) in a particularly volatile region of the world. All of which is particularly laughable. If BHO thinks like his former pastor that the US is responsible for 911 because of our foreign policy, keeping troops in Iraq, re-deploying them to Kuwait or elsewhere in Arab lands, is still a major “no no” for the jihad movement. Any western presence in Arab lands – or their desired Caliphate from Spain to China – is enough for them to plan to assail us a’new.
You’d better brace yourself for a reality. Despite all his promises and words, it’s more than likely that the Iraq policy of a President Obama will differ little from the continued policy of stand up Iraq, and then withdraw, by Bush. Because, quite frankly, we are nearing that turning point of passing the security baton. Even BHO isn’t dumb enough to screw it up this far into Iraq’s progress.