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SoCal Chris
15 years ago
Yes, Mike, it would mean a huge fall out for Fox News if they’d published this. Another example of the eternal double standard that exists on the left.
I do, however, think the cartoon is rather insightful!
kathie
15 years ago
Boy oh boy, I hadn’t heard that The New Yorker had hired K. Rove!
Jarhead68
15 years ago
And the New Yorker would have us believe that they did this to show how conservatives feel about the Obamas. Wouldn’t a conservative publication, if they really felt that way, actually do it on its own? DUH!
This just underscores the left’s fascination with trashy politics and the politics of personal destruction. They project their own prejudices on the opposition, not realizing who the real racists are.
Where’s Ted Rall now? They’ll get away with it the same as that guy who did the blackface minstrel caroons of Condi. Here it’s a weird little Lefty balancing-act/double-entendre they’re attempting as they proclaim this is THE VIEW that knuckle-dragging non-Liberal conservatives have — it’s always projection with them, isn’t it? This is about as satisfying as Dan Rather’s faked-up war-records.
gene
15 years ago
The New Yorker hasn’t been afraid to hide its love for the Clintons. They even had a favorable article of Rush. Something is going on here and I’m sure that the blogs will figure it out if anybody does.
And what a great time in history to be a cartoonist!
Smarty
15 years ago
I love how conservatives are falling over themselves trying to show how they are above this sort of thing.
Sissies.
Limp wristed sissies.
This is funny, and as far as political satire goes, it does show what many of us think about Obama.
yonason
15 years ago
It’s just an immunization shot.
Give a dose of the truth, then explain how it’s just a “misperception” and show that you are just mocking the paranoid Right Wing, ’cause no sane person can believe that about them. It’s a very sophisticated form of propaganda.
Senator Hatrack
15 years ago
For satire to work there has to be an element of truth in it. This piece of satire works because it tells the truth about Sen. & Mrs. Obama!
Leah
15 years ago
Ju Mordecai:
It sure seems that way. Honestly, the first time I saw the cover, I thought, “Finally! Someone had the guts to put out there what we really face!”
DW 5000
15 years ago
And the New Yorker would have us believe that they did this to show how conservatives feel about the Obamas. Wouldn’t a conservative publication, if they really felt that way, actually do it on its own?
Well, no. Obviously. Conservatives much prefer whisper campaigns and ginned-up poutrage over minutiae.
Something is going on here and I’m sure that the blogs will figure it out if anybody does.
WONDER KERNING POWERS, ACTIVATE!!
Yeah, something’s going on, all right. It’s called “Defusing wingnut memes by laughing at them.”
It’s just an immunization shot.
Give a dose of the truth, then explain how it’s just a “misperception” and show that you are just mocking the paranoid Right Wing, ’cause no sane person can believe that about them. It’s a very sophisticated form of propaganda.
And that’s your own innoculation against being seen as a fool: “They’re gonna say that I’m a fool for believing this, but that’s just proof that I’m not a fool! My own foolishness, in fact, is central to my point!”
It sure seems that way. Honestly, the first time I saw the cover, I thought, “Finally! Someone had the guts to put out there what we really face!”
…And that’s what makes it so funny, Leah: The cover proclaims, “This is what those idiot wingnuts believe, all in one place, for your viewing enjoyment!” And wingnuts are saying, “Yeah! I do believe all that crap! I just wish I had the cojones to come right out and say it.”
Then the Left laughs at you. Repeat ad infinitum.
You just totally came out and made the New Yorker’s point for it–thanks heaps. You should go on the Sunday talk shows and spread the word that the cover does correctly reflect the wingnut view of reality.
This is delicious. It would have been better for the New Yorker not to muddy the waters at this point, but, seeing as how they have, I love watching wingnut heads explode.
SoCal Chris
15 years ago
[It’s a very sophisticated form of propaganda.]
yonason: I think you make a good point, and this could be their hopeful agenda. Then again, I’m just not sure that it’s not giving the New York Times more sophisticated credit than they are actually capable of? Maybe reverse psychology is too much for them to handle, I don’t know. The funny thing is, is that this may just get the opposite reaction than what they intended, if reverse psychology was, in fact, their intention. I also heard someone say that maybe they were just trying to get publicity since they aren’t faring too well lately.
BarbraS
15 years ago
The New Yorker just gave us a gift. Thank them. Even if they were using reverse psycology they put this picture on their cover. How many people will read the article? How many people will be impressed that a mojor NY paper showed this cartoon on their cover. If it is there it must be true. This is the way the dims have put out their false news about republicans time after time. Then they will correct (maybe) on page 33. No one sees this correction. Let’s hope the same will be true of this cartoon. Let’s hope they will be hoist by their own petard.
missy
15 years ago
One only has to go back and check out the pro-Hillary blogs to see how this spread, which I made a habit of doing during the past primary months. But, now that the dems want to put forward the perception of “unity” it appears that they are attempting to hang this on those “wing-nut” conservatives failing again to take responsibility for what has come out of their own camp.
Arthurstone
15 years ago
Senator Hatrack opined:
‘For satire to work there has to be an element of truth in it.’
Absolutely. And the ‘truth’ is a great many conservatives hold racist views of the Obamas.
The cartoon says nothing about Obama and his wife and everything about a certain segment of his political opposition. Specifically those who assert, against all evidence, that Obama is a Muslim. That Michelle hates whites. Etc. Etc. Or voters interviewed after the West Virginia primary quite candidly stating they would never vote for a black candidate.
I think “Arthur” willfully neglects the fact that a large segment of DEMOCRATS, liberals even, hold racist views of Obama.
Though how he cites the West Virginia primary while ignoring that fact is pretty amazing.
Clean up your own act Artie before you come telling any of us to do likewise.
Arthurstone
15 years ago
Mike whined:
I think “Arthur” willfully neglects the fact that a large segment of DEMOCRATS, liberals even, hold racist views of Obama.
I intentionally wrote ‘conservatives’ Mike. Such a label cuts across party lines including reactionaries from both parties who find common ground in extreme racial politics.
Too subtle for you? I know it’s difficult to remember a world with ‘liberal’ Republicans but such used to be case. Particularly here in Washington State. Been reading Pearlstein’s ‘Nixonland’ this past week and he makes the point over and again that ‘conservatives’ exist in both major parties and that US politics these past 40-odd years has been a head-long race to get the rightest the fastest.
You’re insistence that only conservatives could be racist is so absurd that it merely highlights your total failure to grasp reality.
The arrogance, matched only by the ignorance of your comment simply underscores how totally out of touch you are with the American people.
Frankly, racism is not even a significant issue in this election.
Though it seems to be more of an issue with liberals than with conservatives.
Have you taken up your viewpoint with Ted Ralls?
Artie: You are an embarrasment to liberalsim!
SoCal Chris
15 years ago
Really, I despise racism (can’t say ‘hate’ these days), and while I’m sure there are those people who hold Obama’s color against him, I could care less if he was white, black, purple or green (unless he’s a martian–I’d take issue with that). I just want the next president to love this country above all else, and desire to serve her rather than be served by her.
[Specifically those who assert, against all evidence, that Obama is a Muslim.] It’s the statement “against all evidence” that I have problems with. He learned the Koran when in school in Indonesia and reflects favorably on those times. Both his father and step-father were Muslim. He has pretty close associations with Louis Farrakhan. What seems to me the most important thing here is that he LIES about not having any association with Muslims or the Muslim faith.
Heard a New Yorker official comment on the cover. Said it was meant as humorous satire, highlighting all the crazy views of the right. They also said that it was perhaps “too sophisticated” of humor for the average citizen “to get”.
So it’s back to the ol’ “citizens are too dumb to make wise decisions for their own lives” fundamentals of liberalism.
Personally, I thought the ‘toon was hilarious in the caricatures. None of what they portrayed is my reasons for despising BHO as a choice for POTUS, mind you. But it captured many of the bizarre arguments that have been raised.
Of course, as one pundit pointed out, their flaw was they combined the absurd with an element of truth… the absurd being the “Obama is a Muslim”, “Michelle is a radical”, “Obama is unpatriotic”, “Obama would talk to Osama”. The truth in the middle of it all? The “fist bump”. That pundit wasn’t much better when talking down to the masses… saying that bit of “truth” made the rest “confusing”.
sigh… everyone’s sense of humor has just flown out the door. Doesn’t anyone remember the New Yorker cover of the year with Bush & staff in the oval office after Katrina? Was there as much “a dooo” about that as this?
Everyone expected the JSM camp to protest this BHO/MO cover as they are trying to distance themselves from this crapola. However this was done by a liberal organization. And liberals themselves are whining…. including the Obama’s. Unbelievable… If he can’t take satire… even stuff produced on his behalf… he hasn’t got the spine to live thru what the media will do to him as POTUS.
Some how, I’m sure this will be “all Bush’s fault”….
I don’t know. What does Hillary’s hand smell like?
Leah
15 years ago
Sunday talk shows, huh? I’ll humor you, DW, I’ll do it, if you want it so badly.
Mind you, it’s not what makes me oppose BHO either, just like MataHarley. There are a lot more reasons as to why I don’t like BHO, and none of it has to do with color or any other petty factor of the like. Sorry to say, I’m not the wingnut you’re looking for, but you’re welcome to keep on looking. It’s just a bit of humor, and that’s what I made my comment on – the humor behind the satire.
missy
15 years ago
And, here’s Ryan Lizza’s Obama article “inside” the New Yorker. Long, interesting and revealing. No wonder the Obama campaign wants the focus to be on the cover.
Hmmm. Isn’t Ryan Lizza a progressive, liberal or left leaning? Much like the New Yorker? Just curious.
seeker
15 years ago
This i a real piece of artwork. A perfection. It really mimics the reality.
It will shame the works of Michelangelo and DaVinci. Best artistry in the 21st Century. I will go down the history as the best political art of all time.
More caricature pls, NYers. Your journalism for the first time has passed the mark, even just for the caricature.
Arthurstone
15 years ago
Mike typed:
‘Frankly, racism is not even a significant issue in this election’.
Racism is fundamental to every discussion about American politics from 1776 up until and including 2008.
And to deny that fact is to fly in the face of reality.
Leave it to a liberal to fan the flames of racism.
Well, I guess we already know there is nothing they won’t do to acquire political power.
Arthurstone
15 years ago
Mike typed:
Leave it to a liberal to fan the flames of racism.
Not quite Mike.
Middle class whites such as you merely deciding ‘color no longer should matter’, doesn’t make it so. I wish that were true but it isn’t.
As for your hero Ronald Reagan he pitched his 1980 campaign from the very beginning to the racist vote by kicking it off at the Neshoba County Fair (this after having received an endorsement from the KKK). Likewise his opposition to civil rights legislation and open housing laws while governor of California is nothing to be proud of.
Even David Brooks can’t help but admit “it’s obviously true that race played a role in the GOP ascent” .
And so it goes.
DW 5000
15 years ago
Mike H.’s America, race is one of the central issues of American society, past and present.
missy
15 years ago
Arthurstone, let’s see some links to support your insinuation. BTW, I guess we can leave it to a liberal to fan the flames of racism:
Yes, Mike, it would mean a huge fall out for Fox News if they’d published this. Another example of the eternal double standard that exists on the left.
I do, however, think the cartoon is rather insightful!
Boy oh boy, I hadn’t heard that The New Yorker had hired K. Rove!
And the New Yorker would have us believe that they did this to show how conservatives feel about the Obamas. Wouldn’t a conservative publication, if they really felt that way, actually do it on its own? DUH!
This just underscores the left’s fascination with trashy politics and the politics of personal destruction. They project their own prejudices on the opposition, not realizing who the real racists are.
Where are the $600 ear rings? In his nose?
What’s the fuss? The truth hurts?
Where’s Ted Rall now? They’ll get away with it the same as that guy who did the blackface minstrel caroons of Condi. Here it’s a weird little Lefty balancing-act/double-entendre they’re attempting as they proclaim this is THE VIEW that knuckle-dragging non-Liberal conservatives have — it’s always projection with them, isn’t it? This is about as satisfying as Dan Rather’s faked-up war-records.
The New Yorker hasn’t been afraid to hide its love for the Clintons. They even had a favorable article of Rush. Something is going on here and I’m sure that the blogs will figure it out if anybody does.
Truth is a good thing, regardless of the source.
And what a great time in history to be a cartoonist!
I love how conservatives are falling over themselves trying to show how they are above this sort of thing.
Sissies.
Limp wristed sissies.
This is funny, and as far as political satire goes, it does show what many of us think about Obama.
It’s just an immunization shot.
Give a dose of the truth, then explain how it’s just a “misperception” and show that you are just mocking the paranoid Right Wing, ’cause no sane person can believe that about them. It’s a very sophisticated form of propaganda.
For satire to work there has to be an element of truth in it. This piece of satire works because it tells the truth about Sen. & Mrs. Obama!
Ju Mordecai:
It sure seems that way. Honestly, the first time I saw the cover, I thought, “Finally! Someone had the guts to put out there what we really face!”
Well, no. Obviously. Conservatives much prefer whisper campaigns and ginned-up poutrage over minutiae.
WONDER KERNING POWERS, ACTIVATE!!
Yeah, something’s going on, all right. It’s called “Defusing wingnut memes by laughing at them.”
And that’s your own innoculation against being seen as a fool: “They’re gonna say that I’m a fool for believing this, but that’s just proof that I’m not a fool! My own foolishness, in fact, is central to my point!”
…And that’s what makes it so funny, Leah: The cover proclaims, “This is what those idiot wingnuts believe, all in one place, for your viewing enjoyment!” And wingnuts are saying, “Yeah! I do believe all that crap! I just wish I had the cojones to come right out and say it.”
Then the Left laughs at you. Repeat ad infinitum.
You just totally came out and made the New Yorker’s point for it–thanks heaps. You should go on the Sunday talk shows and spread the word that the cover does correctly reflect the wingnut view of reality.
This is delicious. It would have been better for the New Yorker not to muddy the waters at this point, but, seeing as how they have, I love watching wingnut heads explode.
[It’s a very sophisticated form of propaganda.]
yonason: I think you make a good point, and this could be their hopeful agenda. Then again, I’m just not sure that it’s not giving the New York Times more sophisticated credit than they are actually capable of? Maybe reverse psychology is too much for them to handle, I don’t know. The funny thing is, is that this may just get the opposite reaction than what they intended, if reverse psychology was, in fact, their intention. I also heard someone say that maybe they were just trying to get publicity since they aren’t faring too well lately.
The New Yorker just gave us a gift. Thank them. Even if they were using reverse psycology they put this picture on their cover. How many people will read the article? How many people will be impressed that a mojor NY paper showed this cartoon on their cover. If it is there it must be true. This is the way the dims have put out their false news about republicans time after time. Then they will correct (maybe) on page 33. No one sees this correction. Let’s hope the same will be true of this cartoon. Let’s hope they will be hoist by their own petard.
One only has to go back and check out the pro-Hillary blogs to see how this spread, which I made a habit of doing during the past primary months. But, now that the dems want to put forward the perception of “unity” it appears that they are attempting to hang this on those “wing-nut” conservatives failing again to take responsibility for what has come out of their own camp.
Senator Hatrack opined:
‘For satire to work there has to be an element of truth in it.’
Absolutely. And the ‘truth’ is a great many conservatives hold racist views of the Obamas.
The cartoon says nothing about Obama and his wife and everything about a certain segment of his political opposition. Specifically those who assert, against all evidence, that Obama is a Muslim. That Michelle hates whites. Etc. Etc. Or voters interviewed after the West Virginia primary quite candidly stating they would never vote for a black candidate.
That’s what the cartoon is about.
Cheers.
I think “Arthur” willfully neglects the fact that a large segment of DEMOCRATS, liberals even, hold racist views of Obama.
Though how he cites the West Virginia primary while ignoring that fact is pretty amazing.
Clean up your own act Artie before you come telling any of us to do likewise.
Mike whined:
I think “Arthur” willfully neglects the fact that a large segment of DEMOCRATS, liberals even, hold racist views of Obama.
I intentionally wrote ‘conservatives’ Mike. Such a label cuts across party lines including reactionaries from both parties who find common ground in extreme racial politics.
Too subtle for you? I know it’s difficult to remember a world with ‘liberal’ Republicans but such used to be case. Particularly here in Washington State. Been reading Pearlstein’s ‘Nixonland’ this past week and he makes the point over and again that ‘conservatives’ exist in both major parties and that US politics these past 40-odd years has been a head-long race to get the rightest the fastest.
I tend to agree.
There was no “whining” involved Artie.
You’re insistence that only conservatives could be racist is so absurd that it merely highlights your total failure to grasp reality.
The arrogance, matched only by the ignorance of your comment simply underscores how totally out of touch you are with the American people.
Frankly, racism is not even a significant issue in this election.
Though it seems to be more of an issue with liberals than with conservatives.
Have you taken up your viewpoint with Ted Ralls?
Artie: You are an embarrasment to liberalsim!
Really, I despise racism (can’t say ‘hate’ these days), and while I’m sure there are those people who hold Obama’s color against him, I could care less if he was white, black, purple or green (unless he’s a martian–I’d take issue with that). I just want the next president to love this country above all else, and desire to serve her rather than be served by her.
[Specifically those who assert, against all evidence, that Obama is a Muslim.] It’s the statement “against all evidence” that I have problems with. He learned the Koran when in school in Indonesia and reflects favorably on those times. Both his father and step-father were Muslim. He has pretty close associations with Louis Farrakhan. What seems to me the most important thing here is that he LIES about not having any association with Muslims or the Muslim faith.
Heard a New Yorker official comment on the cover. Said it was meant as humorous satire, highlighting all the crazy views of the right. They also said that it was perhaps “too sophisticated” of humor for the average citizen “to get”.
So it’s back to the ol’ “citizens are too dumb to make wise decisions for their own lives” fundamentals of liberalism.
Personally, I thought the ‘toon was hilarious in the caricatures. None of what they portrayed is my reasons for despising BHO as a choice for POTUS, mind you. But it captured many of the bizarre arguments that have been raised.
Of course, as one pundit pointed out, their flaw was they combined the absurd with an element of truth… the absurd being the “Obama is a Muslim”, “Michelle is a radical”, “Obama is unpatriotic”, “Obama would talk to Osama”. The truth in the middle of it all? The “fist bump”. That pundit wasn’t much better when talking down to the masses… saying that bit of “truth” made the rest “confusing”.
sigh… everyone’s sense of humor has just flown out the door. Doesn’t anyone remember the New Yorker cover of the year with Bush & staff in the oval office after Katrina? Was there as much “a dooo” about that as this?
Everyone expected the JSM camp to protest this BHO/MO cover as they are trying to distance themselves from this crapola. However this was done by a liberal organization. And liberals themselves are whining…. including the Obama’s. Unbelievable… If he can’t take satire… even stuff produced on his behalf… he hasn’t got the spine to live thru what the media will do to him as POTUS.
Some how, I’m sure this will be “all Bush’s fault”….
Dang… can’t get the “img src” code to work.Finally! Heres the link to HuffPo story inre the Bush New Yawker cover.
I don’t know. What does Hillary’s hand smell like?
Sunday talk shows, huh? I’ll humor you, DW, I’ll do it, if you want it so badly.
Mind you, it’s not what makes me oppose BHO either, just like MataHarley. There are a lot more reasons as to why I don’t like BHO, and none of it has to do with color or any other petty factor of the like. Sorry to say, I’m not the wingnut you’re looking for, but you’re welcome to keep on looking. It’s just a bit of humor, and that’s what I made my comment on – the humor behind the satire.
And, here’s Ryan Lizza’s Obama article “inside” the New Yorker. Long, interesting and revealing. No wonder the Obama campaign wants the focus to be on the cover.
http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2008/07/21/080721fa_fact_lizza?printable=true
Hmmm. Isn’t Ryan Lizza a progressive, liberal or left leaning? Much like the New Yorker? Just curious.
This i a real piece of artwork. A perfection. It really mimics the reality.
It will shame the works of Michelangelo and DaVinci. Best artistry in the 21st Century. I will go down the history as the best political art of all time.
More caricature pls, NYers. Your journalism for the first time has passed the mark, even just for the caricature.
Mike typed:
‘Frankly, racism is not even a significant issue in this election’.
Racism is fundamental to every discussion about American politics from 1776 up until and including 2008.
And to deny that fact is to fly in the face of reality.
Back to the camellias Mike.
Leave it to a liberal to fan the flames of racism.
Well, I guess we already know there is nothing they won’t do to acquire political power.
Mike typed:
Leave it to a liberal to fan the flames of racism.
Not quite Mike.
Middle class whites such as you merely deciding ‘color no longer should matter’, doesn’t make it so. I wish that were true but it isn’t.
As for your hero Ronald Reagan he pitched his 1980 campaign from the very beginning to the racist vote by kicking it off at the Neshoba County Fair (this after having received an endorsement from the KKK). Likewise his opposition to civil rights legislation and open housing laws while governor of California is nothing to be proud of.
Even David Brooks can’t help but admit “it’s obviously true that race played a role in the GOP ascent” .
And so it goes.
Mike H.’s America, race is one of the central issues of American society, past and present.
Arthurstone, let’s see some links to support your insinuation. BTW, I guess we can leave it to a liberal to fan the flames of racism:
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D91V8FT81&show_article=1
He’s all yours Arthur, enjoy.
Only Democrats would see this as a black and white nation.
Perhaps it’s because their party has the former Exalted Cyclops of the Ku Klux Klan serving his ninth term in the U.S. Senate.
Not exactly going to find ANY Republicans who were members of the KKK serving in the Senate now are we?
One way Democrat fingerpointing over race is just a convenient way for them to avoid ANY accounatability for their own actions on this issue.