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	<title>Comments on: Iranian Missile Test Moves Doomsday Clock Closer to Midnight</title>
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		<title>By: MataHarley</title>
		<link>http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/07/11/iranian-missile-test-moves-doomsday-clock-closer-to-midnight/#comment-96597</link>
		<dc:creator>MataHarley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 20:32:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Funny that I brought up my opine on this on your Israel/Iraq thread, Scott.  So I&#039;m cross posting some of it here, where it&#039;s more applicable.  And I agree no invasion of Iran is a good idea.

I don’t see Israel or the US going after them. I do, however, see their own citizens taking their government down (with external aid). The Iranian economy is in the toilet, and Ahmadinejad’s popularity is swirling the edges of the toilet bowl for public opinion. France backed out of oil development there in the past day or two… the 3rd oil investor to do so. 

The missile launches, IMHO, are primarily to jack up oil prices to rise to protect their oil revenue, which is declining. Especially since the add’l oil investment/drilling has backed off.

But frankly, I just don’t see the world leaping willy-nilly into conflict with Iran. What they could do to the cargo traffic alone, starting from the Persian Gulf, could set the world into an economic tail spin. But I do see finding ways to have it fall from within. The times and citizenry - quite western in the youth, who are rapidly the majority - are ripe for internal change.

Just another perspective…. but only time will tell what actually transpires, eh?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Funny that I brought up my opine on this on your Israel/Iraq thread, Scott.  So I&#8217;m cross posting some of it here, where it&#8217;s more applicable.  And I agree no invasion of Iran is a good idea.</p>
<p>I don’t see Israel or the US going after them. I do, however, see their own citizens taking their government down (with external aid). The Iranian economy is in the toilet, and Ahmadinejad’s popularity is swirling the edges of the toilet bowl for public opinion. France backed out of oil development there in the past day or two… the 3rd oil investor to do so. </p>
<p>The missile launches, IMHO, are primarily to jack up oil prices to rise to protect their oil revenue, which is declining. Especially since the add’l oil investment/drilling has backed off.</p>
<p>But frankly, I just don’t see the world leaping willy-nilly into conflict with Iran. What they could do to the cargo traffic alone, starting from the Persian Gulf, could set the world into an economic tail spin. But I do see finding ways to have it fall from within. The times and citizenry &#8211; quite western in the youth, who are rapidly the majority &#8211; are ripe for internal change.</p>
<p>Just another perspective…. but only time will tell what actually transpires, eh?</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Malensek</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott Malensek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 20:16:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think invading Iran is a good idea, a possibility, or even logistically possible.  US military action&#039;s gonna be limited to airstrikes, missile attacks, naval power, and raids.  These are all still VERY powerful military options, but invading....nah.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think invading Iran is a good idea, a possibility, or even logistically possible.  US military action&#8217;s gonna be limited to airstrikes, missile attacks, naval power, and raids.  These are all still VERY powerful military options, but invading&#8230;.nah.</p>
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		<title>By: NEWPUPPYDIXIE</title>
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		<dc:creator>NEWPUPPYDIXIE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 20:12:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is not a bad or complicated set of circumstances. First of all, we have an army right in Irans back yard, fully equiped and ready to go, with the troops of Iraq and other nations in place to take up some of the slack should US soldiers be redeployed to Iran. Clearing the Straights of Hormuz would not be the most difficult task in the world. It would just require the will and the doing. And as for oil disruption?? We are sitting on a huge supply in Iraq. I would tell them that they had just begun to repay the United States for our service in dispatching Saddam and the rest of the bad guys. The tab?? Oh, a few million barrels a day...we&#039;ll let you know. Neither Israel nor the US can allow this little piss ant terrorist to acquire nukes. The thought is ridiculous! If the left gets upset, I am sure that the vast majority of Israelis and Americans would have the same two words for them. Why in hell should any thinking human being worry about offending people like Chuck Schumer, when a 5&#039;2&quot; Islamic nut wants to nuke us??!! Non-leftist types, both in and out of Washington D.C., need to man-up and worry about their lives and families, rather than the reaction of the NY Times.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is not a bad or complicated set of circumstances. First of all, we have an army right in Irans back yard, fully equiped and ready to go, with the troops of Iraq and other nations in place to take up some of the slack should US soldiers be redeployed to Iran. Clearing the Straights of Hormuz would not be the most difficult task in the world. It would just require the will and the doing. And as for oil disruption?? We are sitting on a huge supply in Iraq. I would tell them that they had just begun to repay the United States for our service in dispatching Saddam and the rest of the bad guys. The tab?? Oh, a few million barrels a day&#8230;we&#8217;ll let you know. Neither Israel nor the US can allow this little piss ant terrorist to acquire nukes. The thought is ridiculous! If the left gets upset, I am sure that the vast majority of Israelis and Americans would have the same two words for them. Why in hell should any thinking human being worry about offending people like Chuck Schumer, when a 5&#8242;2&#8243; Islamic nut wants to nuke us??!! Non-leftist types, both in and out of Washington D.C., need to man-up and worry about their lives and families, rather than the reaction of the NY Times.</p>
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		<title>By: Gregory Dittman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gregory Dittman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 17:26:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>According to this story, Iraq has allowed a mass of Israeli planes on U.S. bases.  Those planes are now 5 minutes from their targets.
jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1215330937574&amp;pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>According to this story, Iraq has allowed a mass of Israeli planes on U.S. bases.  Those planes are now 5 minutes from their targets.<br />
<a href="http://jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1215330937574&amp;pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull" title="http://jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1215330937574&amp;pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull" class="autohyperlink" target="_blank">jpost.com&#8230;</a></p>
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		<title>By: bbartlog</title>
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		<dc:creator>bbartlog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 16:37:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was wondering whether the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists (historically kind of a peacenik/leftish organization) had actually updated the Doomsday Clock as a result of this news. But no, i see you&#039;ve just decided to borrow their gimmick. They last updated their clock in 2007 (see press release &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.thebulletin.org/content/media-center/announcements/2007/01/17/doomsday-clock-moves-two-minutes-closer-to-midnight&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;). Notice they&#039;ve decided to start getting all worked up about climate change, presumably in an attempt to stay current.
Whether you&#039;re wrong on the issues is sort of a separate matter; personally I consider your worries to be pure hysteria. But regardless of that I think ripping off the lefty Doomsday Clock is lame - get your own catchy idea and stop riding on theirs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was wondering whether the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists (historically kind of a peacenik/leftish organization) had actually updated the Doomsday Clock as a result of this news. But no, i see you&#8217;ve just decided to borrow their gimmick. They last updated their clock in 2007 (see press release <a href="http://www.thebulletin.org/content/media-center/announcements/2007/01/17/doomsday-clock-moves-two-minutes-closer-to-midnight" rel="nofollow">here</a>). Notice they&#8217;ve decided to start getting all worked up about climate change, presumably in an attempt to stay current.<br />
Whether you&#8217;re wrong on the issues is sort of a separate matter; personally I consider your worries to be pure hysteria. But regardless of that I think ripping off the lefty Doomsday Clock is lame &#8211; get your own catchy idea and stop riding on theirs.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 16:19:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What concerns me the most is the time.  

The Straits are only 21 miles, but shipping lanes only 2 miles.  It doesn&#039;t take a lot to close 2 miles of shipping lane.  A few burning tankers would provide all the cover needed.  It&#039;s hardly an &quot;open water&quot; scenario.

But back to the TIME.

Think about the events involved in military (including asymetric) action, and the political reaction as well as military (including asymetric) reaction.

Takes hours for Israeli Air Force to get to Iran, and start dropping bombs.  That&#039;s a long time to go undetected in a very tightly watched region.

Once the attack is detected or announced by bombing, how long before politicians get the word and react, and how long before military reactions take place?  How long before terrorists are sent to war?  Once a military reaction starts, given the way the Gulf is packed with ships, the region is packed w US bases, and the short range....man, as soon as the first bomb hits, it could be minutes before 1000 ballistic missiles start launching at Israel (even w conventional 1ton warheads...that&#039;s a lotta LOTTA damage).  It could be minutes before US ships get attacked, and subsequently seconds before US ships start sinking Iranian ships etc.  It&#039;s like a shootout in a phone booth.  Meanwhile, on the other side of the globe, McCain and Obama staff get the word via supporters/channels and their spin doctors have to decide immediately what to say, what to support, what to oppose, if to oppose, if to support, etc.  

No bs, if an Israeli strike happens before the election in Nov, and they actually make it to their targets, the biggest, most shaping events of the war could take place between commercial breaks (7-10 minutes).

TIME is what concerns me.  There&#039;s not a lot of decision making time-military or political.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What concerns me the most is the time.  </p>
<p>The Straits are only 21 miles, but shipping lanes only 2 miles.  It doesn&#8217;t take a lot to close 2 miles of shipping lane.  A few burning tankers would provide all the cover needed.  It&#8217;s hardly an &#8220;open water&#8221; scenario.</p>
<p>But back to the TIME.</p>
<p>Think about the events involved in military (including asymetric) action, and the political reaction as well as military (including asymetric) reaction.</p>
<p>Takes hours for Israeli Air Force to get to Iran, and start dropping bombs.  That&#8217;s a long time to go undetected in a very tightly watched region.</p>
<p>Once the attack is detected or announced by bombing, how long before politicians get the word and react, and how long before military reactions take place?  How long before terrorists are sent to war?  Once a military reaction starts, given the way the Gulf is packed with ships, the region is packed w US bases, and the short range&#8230;.man, as soon as the first bomb hits, it could be minutes before 1000 ballistic missiles start launching at Israel (even w conventional 1ton warheads&#8230;that&#8217;s a lotta LOTTA damage).  It could be minutes before US ships get attacked, and subsequently seconds before US ships start sinking Iranian ships etc.  It&#8217;s like a shootout in a phone booth.  Meanwhile, on the other side of the globe, McCain and Obama staff get the word via supporters/channels and their spin doctors have to decide immediately what to say, what to support, what to oppose, if to oppose, if to support, etc.  </p>
<p>No bs, if an Israeli strike happens before the election in Nov, and they actually make it to their targets, the biggest, most shaping events of the war could take place between commercial breaks (7-10 minutes).</p>
<p>TIME is what concerns me.  There&#8217;s not a lot of decision making time-military or political.</p>
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		<title>By: Flashman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Flashman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 16:00:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Straits of Hormuz are not open water and asymmetrical threats would be difficult to counter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Straits of Hormuz are not open water and asymmetrical threats would be difficult to counter.</p>
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		<title>By: Fit fit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fit fit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 15:44:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think Iran&#039;s Navy would last 24 hours if they attempted a blockade.  I can&#039;t think of an arena where our technology gives us greater military advantage than in the open water.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think Iran&#8217;s Navy would last 24 hours if they attempted a blockade.  I can&#8217;t think of an arena where our technology gives us greater military advantage than in the open water.</p>
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