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I’m really glad Mike’s not in charge of our national defense.

Our NMD system is still in planning and it would be years before an effective system could be in place to protect Isreal.

Isreal could be a smoking hole by then.

Speaking of smoking, have you heard about about McCain’s Laramie Project to deal with Iran…

Fit Fit: You fail to understand the very simple concept here: That our proceeding with the development and deployment of missile defense is the best deterrent against Iranians doing something really stupid.

And we have already deployed aspects of missile defense as the satellite shootdown in the Obama video shows.

However, if we were to announce that we are NOT building missile defense we would certainly be even further away from having a system.

Sort of like drilling for oil. It may not be online right away, but one thing is for sure, if you don’t do it, it never will be.

Bomb Bomb Bomb Bomb Iran

Stix: Here’s the video of McCain doing that bit. It was right here in SC:

Mike elaborated:

Fit Fit: You fail to understand the very simple concept here: That our proceeding with the development and deployment of missile defense is the best deterrent against Iranians doing something really stupid.

Gee where have I heard that before?

Indeed. Lets throw tens of billions dollars more the drain on this pipe dream.

Welfare for defense contractors.

“Gee where have I heard that before?”

It was during the Cold War when you lefties attempted to derail President Reagan’s two track approach to deal with the Soviets. His idea was to rearm and build missile defense AND negotiate.

Obama’s approach is to say “pretty please” to the Iranians who have already shown nothing but contempt for world opinion.

To continue repeating that mistake when the lessons of history are so clear would be CRIMINAL.

The left’s answer is not to even try to defend ourselves. Well, of course, that is their mantra. After all, we deserve extinction after all we have done. And according to the left our biggest crime was to help break up the Soviet Union. You know, that glorious, wonderful country that killed and tortured its citizens by the millions. Our other crime was that we saved millions from extinction by tinhead dictators the left so loves. They give us no credit for saving these millions and getting the world economies back on their feet. Heavens no. That is our biggest crime. The left is too stupid to know who the real enemies are. They fail to take a leaf our of the books of other countries overpowered by dictators. They don’t see that the left is the first to go in these revolutions. For a very good reason too. Revolutionaries know that dissent is not patriotic but only obstructive; therefore, they get rid of all dissidents. To these people, the left isfull of useful idiots and can be tossed aside after they are no longer useful.

BarbaraS typed:

‘The left’s answer is not to even try to defend ourselves.’

Notwithstanding the simple fact the US spends more on ‘defense’ then the rest of the world combined.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/spending.htm

Mike-

Thanks for mentioning RR. Twenty odd years and tens of billions of dollars later still no viable system.

Talk about criminal.

I understand deterrence completely. But you can’t threaten anyone with nonexistant technology. This threat is immediate.

McCain’s suggested multilateral diplomacy should include having Russia on our side. The NMD system is a best a potential wedge with Russia and at worst could drive them to backing Iran.

Having Russia on our side. that is a good one. Nothing like letting the wolf tend the sheep.

Artie: You might ask your Dem buddies why they curtailed missile defense spending during the Clinton Administration.

As for how much we spend on defense. We spend more on social programs and you folks still complain it’s not enough.

Fit Fit: Was it nonexistent technology that the Aegis destroyer fired to bring down that satelilte? And Boeing announced in May that it will begin airborne testing of the 747 mounted chemical lasers:

http://www.boeing.com/news/releases/2008/q2/080528b_nr.html

Still want to stand by the phrase “nonexistent technology?”

Russia is not our best ally, but it’s a reality we have to deal with…

Again Mike I’m glad your not calling the shots. Shooting down a satelite was a very impressive display of our technology. But it had a known trajectory. That’s alot easier than an unexpected launch of a missle. We have the tech, but the tools are not in place.

We spend more on Social programs in 1 year than we do on defense in the past 1o years combined. And the the Federal Government’s Constitutional mandate is to preotect this country from foreign foes. Not until the 20th century did we spend the amount of money we do now on wealth distribution. FDR has ruined this country with his socialist agenda that still hangs on today.

stix1972 typed:

‘We spend more on Social programs in 1 year than we do on defense in the past 1o years combined. ‘

Nope. That’s just a little too over the top even for this crowd. Though of course if you have the numbers we’d all love to see them.

Sorry pal.

have you heard about about McCain’s Laramie Project to deal with Iran…

I Googled the Laramie Project and came up with references to a play regarding Matthew Shepard and protests by the Fred Phelps gang from Westboro Baptist Church.

Is McCain proposing that we parachute Phelps and his band of misfits into Tehran?

If so, then that’s a great idea.

Here is a pic that shows spending in Yr2008
http://stix1972.typepad.com/spending.bmp

%11.4 for defense, compared to %16.5 education %18.6 health %17.3 pensions %8.4 welfare.

That is %60.8 caompred to %11.4 for defense. Add it up, it maynot be exactly 10 times as much, but it is a big difference and alot more than the defense spending.

If you couldn’t tell I was being facetious.

The Laramie Project is a play on McCain’s Lexington Project (which he seems to have trouble pronouncing). Google McCain + cigarettes in news (simpsons + laramie if you don’t get that reference).

Btw, I’m actually all for the missle defense system, I just think it’s the wrong saber to rattle for the sake of diplomacy.

Firt Fit said: “I’m actually all for the missle defense system, I just think it’s the wrong saber to rattle for the sake of diplomacy.”

Hmmm… sound suspiciously to me like a variation of John Kerry’s “I voted for the $87 billion before I voted against it.”

Just the very idea of missile defense was enough to drive the Soviets to the negotiating table and conclude the very FIRST agreements that actually reduced the number of nuclear weapons, including eliminating an entire class of INF weapons. The Russians are still bitter about that reality and I don’t really give a hoot if they oppose missile defense now.

As for the Russians deciding to align themselves with the Iranians: If that was doable it would have been done a long time ago. You may recall that the Russians have their own little Muslim problem and Iran isn’t helping.

And who says that missile defense is the only arrow in our quiver? It’s but one of many aspects of the military dimension of dealing with the Iranian problem. And it is one that is purely defensive in nature. No threat to anyone.

I would think that the left would embrace missile defense. But maybe I am wrong in thinking they care if we are able to defend ourselves and deter our enemies.

Yes, of course the US missile defense system isn’t complete, and “doesn’t work.” It’s a complete coincidence that North Korea test fired their missiles on July Fourth, aimed them at Hawaii, and every single missile they fired “malfunctioned.”

Gimme a break.

Here’s the reality:
Iran wants nukes
Iran is making nuke factories
Iran’s plan to employ them is w ballistic missiles for short range, undefended targets, and w terrorists for longer range targets where deniability is required (a terrorist delivered nuke has all the tracking trail of a stealth bomber).
Iran has a right to nukes, but as a matter of practicality, any nation that has a covert, psychotic death cult for a delivery system (Islamic Holy Warriors)…welp, that nation should be deterred from making nuclear bomb factories-particularly when it’s openly and directly verbally threatening every other nation in the region except Syria.
EU has tried talking to Iran-it didn’t work
EU tried bribing Iran-it didn’t work
UN has tried talking to Iran-it didn’t work
UN has tried bribing Iran-it didn’t work
US has tried sanctions-after almost 30yrs….they didn’t work
US has publicly made it clear the concerns and the offers and backed the EU and UN plans/offers

TALKING DOESN’T WORK W IRAN

It’s gonna take an Israeli air war, an American air war, an international blockade/economic depression, and/or a terrorist war that makes the fight w Al Queda look like training.

Republicans know it, and have said all this
Democrats know it, deny it, and tell their supporters that if the US just talks to Iran everything will work out (even though the EU and UN tried that, and the US has tried it though not at a table); ie, the Democrats are misleading their base AGAIN on a matter of urgent national security.

But hey, who cares? Barack’s got this covered. He’s gonna have Susan Rice go to Iran and talk to em (she’s the one who refused to accept UBL when Sudan offered to hand him over because she felt that talking to state sponsors of terror-like Iran as well-was wrong).

Her position as foreign policy advisor alone proves that the Democratic party base, and anyone who votes for Obama is voting for sizzle, nice/copied speeches, and nothing more than pipedreams rather than real solutions.

A real leader would tell you how things are, prepare you, and help us all face them rather than provide pipedreams of “peace in our time.”

Mike typed:

I would think that the left would embrace missile defense. But maybe I am wrong in thinking they care if we are able to defend ourselves and deter our enemies.

Yawn. Another smear on those ‘lefties’ who hate their country and want our ‘enemies’ to triumph.

Four decades and tens of billions of dollars and still no viable system.

And how about the bomb in the shipping container Mike?

“Arthur:” It’s a known fact that you and yours would gut our military. Former Georgia Senator Zell Miller famously asked if we would send our soldiers into combat “armed with what? Spitballs?”

Perhaps you would like to tell us which candidates for federal office you have voted for and supported that have been strong advocates of having a military with the best equipment, best training and support of any in the world? Did you personally support the B-2 program? Pershing II missile deployments in Europe in 1983 etc?

And I’d ask our naysaying friends to pay attention to Scott’s comment above. Would you now deprive us of a tool to use that is defensive in nature when we need every military asset possible to increase diplomatic pressure to avoid war?

You lefties just don’t get it do you? History has been so very, VERY clear in the lesson here and you simply pretend like it isn’t so.

So it is better to let them send missiles in without any kind of defense. That sounds like a good idea, then we can send the FBI after them.

The missile defense system has made great strides and is a viable option in defending our country and our allies. Or did you miss all of the succceses it had over the past few years.

I still like “bomb bomb bomb Iran” better, but having a missile defense is better than nothing

I’m still catching up…. and my question is to you, Fit Fit…

What the heck are you discussing about with your comment: “McCain’s Laramie Project to deal with Iran…” For the life of me, I can’t put together the movie about the Laramie, WY gay murder, McCain and Iran. Care to enlighten me on the 6 degrees of separation here???

Mata,

McCain made a joke about the US exporting cigarettes to Iran saying “Maybe that’s a way of killing them.”

Over in the Lefty fever swamps, the snarling MoonBats have seized upon his words and are currently having a hay day.

I sort of feel sorry for them though, having been betrayed repeatedly by their Messiah over the last few days.

The bloom is almost off the rose.

Over at Junior’s website, the bloggers are actually promoting the idea of drafting AlGore or Hillary to take the nomination instead.

Popcorn anyone?

Chihuahua-

You left out this part from your cut and paste from the MDA website:

The fundamental objective of the Ballistic Missile Defense (BMD) program is to develop the capability to defend forces and territories of the United States, its allies and friends against all classes and ranges of ballistic missile threats.

In plain English they have an objective. It may or may not be reached at some time in the undetermined future.

So, as I wrote, four decades and tens of billions of dollars later there is no system. There are a few successes in carefully orchestrated tests.

Not the same thing.

“Arthur” I noticed you ducked my challenge on which defense systems you support.

If you wanted to be honest, you would admit that you, along with your lefty pals have opposed nearly EVERY military program that keeps this nation safe. Can you name one you DO support?

And I doubt you have yet to realize how important just the idea of a U.S. missile defense shield was in bringing the Soviets to the bargaining table.

The Russians didn’t sit there and say “well, Star Wars isn’t perfect yet so we don’t have to worry.”

Nope. President Reagan’s speech announcing the program was enough to spur the Soviets to become more oriented towards diplomatic solutions to mutual problems and less oriented towards military solutions.

That’s historical reality. Do you comprehend that at all? Do you?

It is almost laughable that you lefties were so scared stiff of nuclear war with the Soviets and yet you did everything you could to block President Reagan’s efforts to successfully address the issue and WIN THE COLD WAR.

Would you have prefered we LOST the Cold War?

Now, stop being such an ass.

The fundamental objective of the Ballistic Missile Defense (BMD) program is to develop the capability to defend forces and territories of the United States, its allies and friends against all classes and ranges of ballistic missile threats.

Yes, you’re correct. That’s on their website.

It’s their mission statement from way back in 2002.