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		<title>By: Flopping Aces » Blog Archive &#187; When cultural worlds collide The duel over dual (religious vs civil) courts</title>
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		<dc:creator>Flopping Aces » Blog Archive &#187; When cultural worlds collide The duel over dual (religious vs civil) courts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 00:06:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] even in divorce. But it is later on that he brings this down to a subject near and dear to both my own, and Wordsmith&#8217;s, hearts. And that is this whole collide of cultural worlds highlights nations [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] even in divorce. But it is later on that he brings this down to a subject near and dear to both my own, and Wordsmith&#8217;s, hearts. And that is this whole collide of cultural worlds highlights nations [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Wordsmith</title>
		<link>http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/07/02/when-youre-black-first-and-american-second/#comment-93777</link>
		<dc:creator>Wordsmith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jul 2008 05:39:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I am an American then Christian second. Then Polish, Lithuanian, Dutch, Norwegian, Mongolian, some African, Some Jamaican, should I keep going.
English, Irish, Scotch Irish, Almost Forgot German

I am a mutt, what should my hyphenated American be?????&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Stix,

That reminds me of that Christmas joke well-wishing to all my liberal friends apologetically, so as not to offend, in paragraphs what is summed up in one simple phrase to our conservative friends:  Merry Christmas!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I am an American then Christian second. Then Polish, Lithuanian, Dutch, Norwegian, Mongolian, some African, Some Jamaican, should I keep going.<br />
English, Irish, Scotch Irish, Almost Forgot German</p>
<p>I am a mutt, what should my hyphenated American be?????</p></blockquote>
<p>Stix,</p>
<p>That reminds me of that Christmas joke well-wishing to all my liberal friends apologetically, so as not to offend, in paragraphs what is summed up in one simple phrase to our conservative friends:  Merry Christmas!</p>
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		<title>By: MataHarley</title>
		<link>http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/07/02/when-youre-black-first-and-american-second/#comment-93448</link>
		<dc:creator>MataHarley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2008 02:13:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for the kind compliments, Barbara.  But you sell yourself short.  Our intelligence lies in the capacity to absorb and process data.  Not in the ability to spit it back out orally, or via keyboard.   Some people manage to convey what they mean - or thought processes - easier than others.  That does not make them &quot;smarter&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for the kind compliments, Barbara.  But you sell yourself short.  Our intelligence lies in the capacity to absorb and process data.  Not in the ability to spit it back out orally, or via keyboard.   Some people manage to convey what they mean &#8211; or thought processes &#8211; easier than others.  That does not make them &#8220;smarter&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: BarbaraS</title>
		<link>http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/07/02/when-youre-black-first-and-american-second/#comment-93443</link>
		<dc:creator>BarbaraS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2008 02:01:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You too Mata Harley.  I have really enjoyed reading your posts even though some of them make me feel totally dumb and that I should brush up on my education a little bit more.  Maybe a whole lot more.

It really irritates me that in this great country of ours where anyone can succeed in life and live the good life fail to even try.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You too Mata Harley.  I have really enjoyed reading your posts even though some of them make me feel totally dumb and that I should brush up on my education a little bit more.  Maybe a whole lot more.</p>
<p>It really irritates me that in this great country of ours where anyone can succeed in life and live the good life fail to even try.</p>
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		<title>By: MataHarley</title>
		<link>http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/07/02/when-youre-black-first-and-american-second/#comment-93439</link>
		<dc:creator>MataHarley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2008 01:54:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice to see you back, and in full form, BarbaraS!  Happy 4th, girl.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice to see you back, and in full form, BarbaraS!  Happy 4th, girl.</p>
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		<title>By: BarbaraS</title>
		<link>http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/07/02/when-youre-black-first-and-american-second/#comment-93438</link>
		<dc:creator>BarbaraS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2008 01:51:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The interesting thing is ‘Christian’ is a choice. ‘Black’ is not

Interesting that you would say this.  Tell me, why don&#039;t you hear Chinese Americans and other Asian Americans pushing their race and whining about being put down all the time and left out of the pie.  Their color and facial features are different from caucasian as much as blacks are.  They don&#039;t do this because they are success oriented.  The problem with blacks is that they are taught in their churches by their preachers, who are their leaders, that they can&#039;t succeed in life because whites won&#039;t let them.  They   totally ignore all the blacks who have succeeded.  In fact, these same preachers denigate these successful people and call them Uncle Toms.  Anyone in their communities who try to get ahead are accused of acting white.  Their leaders are the ones keeping them down because they want them dependent on them both monetarily and mentally.  And the blacks fall for this.  That is why they think of themselves as black first and American second.  And some of them don&#039;t consider themselves Americans at all.  In black liberation theology they consider themelves Africans only.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The interesting thing is ‘Christian’ is a choice. ‘Black’ is not</p>
<p>Interesting that you would say this.  Tell me, why don&#8217;t you hear Chinese Americans and other Asian Americans pushing their race and whining about being put down all the time and left out of the pie.  Their color and facial features are different from caucasian as much as blacks are.  They don&#8217;t do this because they are success oriented.  The problem with blacks is that they are taught in their churches by their preachers, who are their leaders, that they can&#8217;t succeed in life because whites won&#8217;t let them.  They   totally ignore all the blacks who have succeeded.  In fact, these same preachers denigate these successful people and call them Uncle Toms.  Anyone in their communities who try to get ahead are accused of acting white.  Their leaders are the ones keeping them down because they want them dependent on them both monetarily and mentally.  And the blacks fall for this.  That is why they think of themselves as black first and American second.  And some of them don&#8217;t consider themselves Americans at all.  In black liberation theology they consider themelves Africans only.</p>
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		<title>By: BarbaraS</title>
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		<dc:creator>BarbaraS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2008 01:26:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And who is to say that they would be wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And who is to say that they would be wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: BarbaraS</title>
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		<dc:creator>BarbaraS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2008 01:25:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The reason Ms. Marie felt emboldened to sing the black liberation anthem  at that gathering was that the blacks think when (hopefully never) Barack is president they will come into their own.  They think he will change everything and their values will be the norm and all things white will be abolished.  They think this because they don&#039;t have a clue about how this country is governed. They also think this because this is what they want and expect to happen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The reason Ms. Marie felt emboldened to sing the black liberation anthem  at that gathering was that the blacks think when (hopefully never) Barack is president they will come into their own.  They think he will change everything and their values will be the norm and all things white will be abolished.  They think this because they don&#8217;t have a clue about how this country is governed. They also think this because this is what they want and expect to happen.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike's America</title>
		<link>http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/07/02/when-youre-black-first-and-american-second/#comment-93388</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike's America</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 22:02:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a consequence of the idiocy of multiculturalism that threatens to balkanize American society and divide us.

Had we been teaching civics and patriotism in school instead of multiculturalism and love for the U.N. this wouldn&#039;t be happening.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a consequence of the idiocy of multiculturalism that threatens to balkanize American society and divide us.</p>
<p>Had we been teaching civics and patriotism in school instead of multiculturalism and love for the U.N. this wouldn&#8217;t be happening.</p>
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		<title>By: Aye Chihuahua</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aye Chihuahua</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 21:52:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I’m suggesting most people are *something* first and American second.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

That&#039;s just the crowd you have chosen to hang out with.

The rest of us are Americans first and foremost.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I’m suggesting most people are *something* first and American second.</p></blockquote>
<p>That&#8217;s just the crowd you have chosen to hang out with.</p>
<p>The rest of us are Americans first and foremost.</p>
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		<title>By: stix1972</title>
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		<dc:creator>stix1972</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 21:51:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am an American then Christian second.  Then Polish, Lithuanian,  Dutch, Norwegian, Mongolian, some African, Some Jamaican, should I keep going.
English, Irish, Scotch Irish, Almost Forgot German


I am a mutt, what should my hyphenated American be?????

As I said before I am an American first and foremost, just like my Grandfather and his Grandfather before him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am an American then Christian second.  Then Polish, Lithuanian,  Dutch, Norwegian, Mongolian, some African, Some Jamaican, should I keep going.<br />
English, Irish, Scotch Irish, Almost Forgot German</p>
<p>I am a mutt, what should my hyphenated American be?????</p>
<p>As I said before I am an American first and foremost, just like my Grandfather and his Grandfather before him.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike's America</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike's America</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 21:50:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry MataH: Artie is another of my moonbats and an ally of Ken Hoop&#039;s when the mood strikes him. I guess he was feeling neglected at Mike&#039;s America.

You&#039;ll notice he never actually makes an argument, or presents anything substantial or original in countering what you have presented. He&#039;s more interested in playing semantic games.

Obama would call efforts like Arties a &quot;distraction&quot; except that Obama seems to prefer distractions rather than face the consequences of his own black liberation theology roots.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry MataH: Artie is another of my moonbats and an ally of Ken Hoop&#8217;s when the mood strikes him. I guess he was feeling neglected at Mike&#8217;s America.</p>
<p>You&#8217;ll notice he never actually makes an argument, or presents anything substantial or original in countering what you have presented. He&#8217;s more interested in playing semantic games.</p>
<p>Obama would call efforts like Arties a &#8220;distraction&#8221; except that Obama seems to prefer distractions rather than face the consequences of his own black liberation theology roots.</p>
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		<title>By: MataHarley</title>
		<link>http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/07/02/when-youre-black-first-and-american-second/#comment-93367</link>
		<dc:creator>MataHarley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 21:42:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I&#039;m suggesting most people are *something* first and American second. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

We are discussing pride of nationality, Arthur.  Please stay on topic.  &quot;Left field&quot; belongs in ball parks.  I know of no one that identifies themselves as a hypenated citizen of the US by saying &quot;I&#039;m a Christian-American&quot;.  Pears at an apple festival.

&lt;blockquote&gt;The interesting thing is ‘Christian’ is a choice. ‘Black’ is not.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Another foul ball to left field, Arthur.  Again, we are discussiong national pride.  Where you choose to live is a choice.  However you are apparently correct.  &quot;Most&quot; people of late are something other than Americans first.   Thus the beef.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I&#8217;m suggesting most people are *something* first and American second. </p></blockquote>
<p>We are discussing pride of nationality, Arthur.  Please stay on topic.  &#8220;Left field&#8221; belongs in ball parks.  I know of no one that identifies themselves as a hypenated citizen of the US by saying &#8220;I&#8217;m a Christian-American&#8221;.  Pears at an apple festival.</p>
<blockquote><p>The interesting thing is ‘Christian’ is a choice. ‘Black’ is not.</p></blockquote>
<p>Another foul ball to left field, Arthur.  Again, we are discussiong national pride.  Where you choose to live is a choice.  However you are apparently correct.  &#8220;Most&#8221; people of late are something other than Americans first.   Thus the beef.</p>
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		<title>By: Gang of One</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gang of One</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 21:39:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When blacks start howling about how us whites and other, non-blacks are racists, does it not occur to them that it&#039;s not their color which bothers us, it&#039;s their attitude?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When blacks start howling about how us whites and other, non-blacks are racists, does it not occur to them that it&#8217;s not their color which bothers us, it&#8217;s their attitude?</p>
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		<title>By: Arthurstone</title>
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		<dc:creator>Arthurstone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 21:27:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MataHarley opined:

Arthur is equating Christian first with black first.



I&#039;m suggesting most people are *something* first and American second. No surprise there.

The interesting thing is &#039;Christian&#039; is a choice.  &#039;Black&#039; is not.


And thanks for the rant STIX

Here&#039;s my favorite part:

When did people stop being just Americans, no matter what race creed or gender.

I hate to break it to you but the question would more accurately posed as &#039;Why have so many people not been considered &#039;Americans&#039;, no matter what race, creed or gender?&#039;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MataHarley opined:</p>
<p>Arthur is equating Christian first with black first.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m suggesting most people are *something* first and American second. No surprise there.</p>
<p>The interesting thing is &#8216;Christian&#8217; is a choice.  &#8216;Black&#8217; is not.</p>
<p>And thanks for the rant STIX</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s my favorite part:</p>
<p>When did people stop being just Americans, no matter what race creed or gender.</p>
<p>I hate to break it to you but the question would more accurately posed as &#8216;Why have so many people not been considered &#8216;Americans&#8217;, no matter what race, creed or gender?&#8217;</p>
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