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	<title>Comments on: Obama World: The Government Not American Ingenuity Will Solve The Gas Crisis [Reader Post]</title>
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		<title>By: american ingenuity</title>
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		<dc:creator>american ingenuity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jul 2008 18:14:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] McCain??s proposal of a 300 million dollar prize for the development of a next generation car batthttp://www.floppingaces.net/2008/06/25/obama-world-the-government-not-american-ingenuity-will-solve-...American IngenuityAmerican ingenuity is passionate about developing unique consumer products. It [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Harry Bergeron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Harry Bergeron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 02:53:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>McCain is barking at the moon if he thinks there will be some magical breathrough to the battery equivalent of the fabled 100-mpg carburator.  Modern batteries are very well developed--I get regular updates from a friend in an internationally-known laboratory.

Your laptop has the best batteries there are, considering cost vs. performance. You already know how expensive they are and how short their lives are.  Major improvement will be in the form of a fuel cell using butane or propane -- fossil fuels!!!

Go nukes!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>McCain is barking at the moon if he thinks there will be some magical breathrough to the battery equivalent of the fabled 100-mpg carburator.  Modern batteries are very well developed&#8211;I get regular updates from a friend in an internationally-known laboratory.</p>
<p>Your laptop has the best batteries there are, considering cost vs. performance. You already know how expensive they are and how short their lives are.  Major improvement will be in the form of a fuel cell using butane or propane &#8212; fossil fuels!!!</p>
<p>Go nukes!</p>
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		<title>By: Flopping Aces » Blog Archive &#187; ABC &#38; Washington Post Reporters Alter Obama Speech To Cover Gaffe [Reader Post]</title>
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		<dc:creator>Flopping Aces » Blog Archive &#187; ABC &#38; Washington Post Reporters Alter Obama Speech To Cover Gaffe [Reader Post]</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 01:40:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] of American Ingenuity over the past 232 years, as reported in as reported at PDOP - Obama World: Government Not American Ingenuity Will Solve The Gas Crisis. More importantly however is the fact that news organizations across the country conveniently [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Words are all we&#8217;ve got, sometimes, Mac Kane&#8230; &#171; Valentine Bonnaire</title>
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		<dc:creator>Words are all we&#8217;ve got, sometimes, Mac Kane&#8230; &#171; Valentine Bonnaire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 21:26:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Sara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 20:52:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My cousin developed an alternative engine system that he installed in his classic '66 Mustang. He thinks this "contest" is long overdue. He and his friends, those who have been car nuts since grade school, have all been working on alternative ways to power engines for years and he tells me that there are lots of good ideas and workable theories that lack only funding for testing and production. 

My cousin is a guy who could have attended any college in this country, but chose a different route in life after winning a major contest for high school students that the major automobile manufacturers have each year to find the best budding automotive engineers. His win gave him a job and an education in the automotive engineering field, this was supplemented with a 3 year stint in the Coast Guard and intensive training in diesel engines. He now owns his own company and is considered one of the country's experts in diesel and is highly sought after by companies that depend on diesel technology. He lives and breathes engines. If anyone can come up with workable, affordable alternatives, I believe he and his partners can. 

When he was still in high school, he complained that his Mom was such a health nut, no fried foods, that she was limiting his experiments. He gathered coffee cans and distributed them to all the neighbors and asked them to save all their used oil/grease for him, which he then used to experiment with different types of used oils that would power his engines that lined their garage. That was more than 25 years ago. He has also worked on experimental steam driven auto engines and solar as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My cousin developed an alternative engine system that he installed in his classic &#8216;66 Mustang. He thinks this &#8220;contest&#8221; is long overdue. He and his friends, those who have been car nuts since grade school, have all been working on alternative ways to power engines for years and he tells me that there are lots of good ideas and workable theories that lack only funding for testing and production. </p>
<p>My cousin is a guy who could have attended any college in this country, but chose a different route in life after winning a major contest for high school students that the major automobile manufacturers have each year to find the best budding automotive engineers. His win gave him a job and an education in the automotive engineering field, this was supplemented with a 3 year stint in the Coast Guard and intensive training in diesel engines. He now owns his own company and is considered one of the country&#8217;s experts in diesel and is highly sought after by companies that depend on diesel technology. He lives and breathes engines. If anyone can come up with workable, affordable alternatives, I believe he and his partners can. </p>
<p>When he was still in high school, he complained that his Mom was such a health nut, no fried foods, that she was limiting his experiments. He gathered coffee cans and distributed them to all the neighbors and asked them to save all their used oil/grease for him, which he then used to experiment with different types of used oils that would power his engines that lined their garage. That was more than 25 years ago. He has also worked on experimental steam driven auto engines and solar as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Uddercha0s</title>
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		<dc:creator>Uddercha0s</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 20:17:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Technically, the Internet, or the path gateways, is a US federal government creation thru ARPNET and the NSF&lt;/blockquote&gt;

You were heading down the same path that I was MataH. I wonder if Obama scoffs at the contests and money rewards that DARPA initiates. The most recent can be read about here &lt;a href="http://www.darpa.mil/grandchallenge/index.asp" rel="nofollow"&gt;The DARPA Urban Challenge&lt;/a&gt; The top 3 prizes winners took home a combined $3.5 million.

Very good write up, by the way. Do you ever sleep?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Technically, the Internet, or the path gateways, is a US federal government creation thru ARPNET and the NSF</p></blockquote>
<p>You were heading down the same path that I was MataH. I wonder if Obama scoffs at the contests and money rewards that DARPA initiates. The most recent can be read about here <a href="http://www.darpa.mil/grandchallenge/index.asp" rel="nofollow">The DARPA Urban Challenge</a> The top 3 prizes winners took home a combined $3.5 million.</p>
<p>Very good write up, by the way. Do you ever sleep?</p>
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		<title>By: stix1972</title>
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		<dc:creator>stix1972</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 20:01:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do not think that McCain is going to just give $300,000, I thought hewould give it away as a tax inventive on the compay that produces this magical battery.  It will take more than 8 years for this to be done most likely, so he will not be giving away anything.



I agree with the whole premise of this article though.  It is the common man in the basement or in his own laboratory that invent things.  Bill Gates and Steve Jobs pretty much invented the home computer industry from a garage. Xrays were found by mistake in a lab.   It is people, not governments that produce things.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do not think that McCain is going to just give $300,000, I thought hewould give it away as a tax inventive on the compay that produces this magical battery.  It will take more than 8 years for this to be done most likely, so he will not be giving away anything.</p>
<p>I agree with the whole premise of this article though.  It is the common man in the basement or in his own laboratory that invent things.  Bill Gates and Steve Jobs pretty much invented the home computer industry from a garage. Xrays were found by mistake in a lab.   It is people, not governments that produce things.</p>
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		<title>By: NEWPUPPYDIXIE</title>
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		<dc:creator>NEWPUPPYDIXIE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 19:05:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stevend:  You're quite right. But McCain, like Barry Hussein, believes that Big Brother gives and Big Brother takes away. An award sponsored by BB makes it far more "official". Why, the private sector might foul things up. And of course, McCain's government reward would naturally mean that this ground breaking battery would belong to...guess who (or what)...why, the govt!! That way we could save Maxine Watters the otherwise necessary step of confiscating the thing for "the greater good".</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stevend:  You&#8217;re quite right. But McCain, like Barry Hussein, believes that Big Brother gives and Big Brother takes away. An award sponsored by BB makes it far more &#8220;official&#8221;. Why, the private sector might foul things up. And of course, McCain&#8217;s government reward would naturally mean that this ground breaking battery would belong to&#8230;guess who (or what)&#8230;why, the govt!! That way we could save Maxine Watters the otherwise necessary step of confiscating the thing for &#8220;the greater good&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Stevend</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stevend</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 16:53:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm no Obama fan, but the McCain $300M idea is just stupid.  I don't want the government doing anything like that, either.

If someone invents a great new energy source, that person will make tons of money from their inventiveness.  We don't need washington deciding.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m no Obama fan, but the McCain $300M idea is just stupid.  I don&#8217;t want the government doing anything like that, either.</p>
<p>If someone invents a great new energy source, that person will make tons of money from their inventiveness.  We don&#8217;t need washington deciding.</p>
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		<title>By: cv</title>
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		<dc:creator>cv</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 16:51:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BHO is an idiot, he will be a bigger disaster than Carter.</description>
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		<title>By: BarbaraS</title>
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		<dc:creator>BarbaraS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 16:47:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>America must get to work producing more energy…Large amounts of oil and natural gas lay beneath our land and off our shores, untouched because the present administration seems to believe the American people would rather see more regulation, taxes and controls than more energy.

Not the present administration but the present congress.  Bush has asked that congress to pass a drilling  bill but congress refuses; therefore congress is the problem.

Obama is a communist and a communist believes the state owns everthing even the thoughts and inventions of one of the masses. Naturally, he would think the government is supreme and all giving and all taking.  Obama is so curiously lacking in understanding anything about the people or the history of this country  it is bizarre.  It's as if he lhas lived in a dream world of his own version of utopia.  Everything that come out of his mouth  gives me the feeling that this guy has lived in a bubble all his life.   He has shown not one iota of interest the the way this country actually works but rather in how he would like it to work.  He now is projecting his perceptiion of our way of life on us and trying to make it seem real.  Maybe "Dreams of My Father" is really about Dreams of Obama.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>America must get to work producing more energy…Large amounts of oil and natural gas lay beneath our land and off our shores, untouched because the present administration seems to believe the American people would rather see more regulation, taxes and controls than more energy.</p>
<p>Not the present administration but the present congress.  Bush has asked that congress to pass a drilling  bill but congress refuses; therefore congress is the problem.</p>
<p>Obama is a communist and a communist believes the state owns everthing even the thoughts and inventions of one of the masses. Naturally, he would think the government is supreme and all giving and all taking.  Obama is so curiously lacking in understanding anything about the people or the history of this country  it is bizarre.  It&#8217;s as if he lhas lived in a dream world of his own version of utopia.  Everything that come out of his mouth  gives me the feeling that this guy has lived in a bubble all his life.   He has shown not one iota of interest the the way this country actually works but rather in how he would like it to work.  He now is projecting his perceptiion of our way of life on us and trying to make it seem real.  Maybe &#8220;Dreams of My Father&#8221; is really about Dreams of Obama.</p>
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		<title>By: john ryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>john ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 16:46:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>300,000,000 dollars !! woweee that is more than powerball I wonder if that will help mcCain in the polls?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>300,000,000 dollars !! woweee that is more than powerball I wonder if that will help mcCain in the polls?</p>
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		<title>By: MataHarley</title>
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		<dc:creator>MataHarley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 15:48:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hope I didn't sound like nitpicking, Jarid.  It's really a terrific post and commentary you have there.  But I sorta had to give the feds a H/T on the whole Internet thing.  Had they not created the foundation, the entrepreneurs couldn't have carried the ball to the goal line, so to speak.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope I didn&#8217;t sound like nitpicking, Jarid.  It&#8217;s really a terrific post and commentary you have there.  But I sorta had to give the feds a H/T on the whole Internet thing.  Had they not created the foundation, the entrepreneurs couldn&#8217;t have carried the ball to the goal line, so to speak.</p>
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		<title>By: J Brown</title>
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		<dc:creator>J Brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 15:44:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mata,
You're absolutely right, I was not trying to give Gates any credit for the creation of the internet or components leading to its success; but it was Gates vision for the MS platform that revolutionized how we use home computers and led to the internet revolution of the late 90's.  But again, you're facts strengthen the reality that it is the private citizen, the American innovator that improves and develops technology.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mata,<br />
You&#8217;re absolutely right, I was not trying to give Gates any credit for the creation of the internet or components leading to its success; but it was Gates vision for the MS platform that revolutionized how we use home computers and led to the internet revolution of the late 90&#8217;s.  But again, you&#8217;re facts strengthen the reality that it is the private citizen, the American innovator that improves and develops technology.</p>
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		<title>By: MataHarley</title>
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		<dc:creator>MataHarley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 15:29:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I most certainly agree with the thrust of your post, Jarid.. that being individuals and entrepreneurs always are more motivated, and develop superior product for a better price.  Not to mention when it's private enterprise, there is inevitable competiton, keeping prices down and improvements ever on going.

Only one slight correction... INRE your

&lt;blockquote&gt;It was not the government or Al Gore that revolutionized the internet; it was Bill Gates, a private entrepreneur, who saw a vision for home computing. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Technically, the Internet, or the path gateways, is a US federal government creation thru ARPNET and the NSF.  Created as a intra-computing network for communications, i.e. the first versions of email - a separate creation.  The  private individual instrumental in taking this govt foundation, and advancing this data exchange between systems using incompatible O/S was Bob Kahn.  Gore's part in this is that he supported the original federal funding for the development (ala his infamous "created the Internet" gaffe), overstating his import.  

But the WWW (world wide web), which is the user friendly point/click/link browser interfaces came from a guy named Tim Berners-Lee out of Geneva.  He is the father of the http protocol, which is the backbone of the Internet travel now.

Gates has his part, but it was O/S, or hardware that enables computer components to "talk" to each other, as well as software development.  Without an O/S, a computer is nothing but a box of gadgets, lying inert and useless.   Because of his "Ford" mass production mentality, his development  brought computers within financial reach of the home user.  We all know Gates is not without his troubles and scandals.  Then again, had he not purchased the DOS system dirt cheap, and revamped it, would it have gone so far so fast?  Hard to say.

So "the Internet" is composed of different arenas... the "gateways", called the Internet, the browser http navigations system thru the gateways, called the WWW, and the computer hardware and software extras.   All were, as you say, advanced to their current state by private and ambitious individuals.  However the base foundation for all of it still came from the US feds... both funding and initial computer designs and O/S.

Part of a class I had to take was computing/Internet history... can you tell??  LOL</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I most certainly agree with the thrust of your post, Jarid.. that being individuals and entrepreneurs always are more motivated, and develop superior product for a better price.  Not to mention when it&#8217;s private enterprise, there is inevitable competiton, keeping prices down and improvements ever on going.</p>
<p>Only one slight correction&#8230; INRE your</p>
<blockquote><p>It was not the government or Al Gore that revolutionized the internet; it was Bill Gates, a private entrepreneur, who saw a vision for home computing. </p></blockquote>
<p>Technically, the Internet, or the path gateways, is a US federal government creation thru ARPNET and the NSF.  Created as a intra-computing network for communications, i.e. the first versions of email - a separate creation.  The  private individual instrumental in taking this govt foundation, and advancing this data exchange between systems using incompatible O/S was Bob Kahn.  Gore&#8217;s part in this is that he supported the original federal funding for the development (ala his infamous &#8220;created the Internet&#8221; gaffe), overstating his import.  </p>
<p>But the WWW (world wide web), which is the user friendly point/click/link browser interfaces came from a guy named Tim Berners-Lee out of Geneva.  He is the father of the http protocol, which is the backbone of the Internet travel now.</p>
<p>Gates has his part, but it was O/S, or hardware that enables computer components to &#8220;talk&#8221; to each other, as well as software development.  Without an O/S, a computer is nothing but a box of gadgets, lying inert and useless.   Because of his &#8220;Ford&#8221; mass production mentality, his development  brought computers within financial reach of the home user.  We all know Gates is not without his troubles and scandals.  Then again, had he not purchased the DOS system dirt cheap, and revamped it, would it have gone so far so fast?  Hard to say.</p>
<p>So &#8220;the Internet&#8221; is composed of different arenas&#8230; the &#8220;gateways&#8221;, called the Internet, the browser http navigations system thru the gateways, called the WWW, and the computer hardware and software extras.   All were, as you say, advanced to their current state by private and ambitious individuals.  However the base foundation for all of it still came from the US feds&#8230; both funding and initial computer designs and O/S.</p>
<p>Part of a class I had to take was computing/Internet history&#8230; can you tell??  LOL</p>
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