Comments on: The Forgotten Issue: Illegal Immigration [Reader Post] http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/06/24/the-forgotten-issue-illegal-immigration/ Tue, 02 Dec 2008 14:37:51 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.5 By: Uddercha0s http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/06/24/the-forgotten-issue-illegal-immigration/#comment-89608 Uddercha0s Thu, 26 Jun 2008 13:44:08 +0000 http://www.floppingaces.net/?p=5666#comment-89608 Fortunately, Gov. Sanford just signed a new illegal immigration bill <a href="http://www.charleston.net/news/2008/jun/05/sanford_signs_broad_illegal_immigration_43467/" rel="nofollow">Sanford signs broad illegal immigration law</a> There has been talk of <a href="http://www.islandpacket.com/news/local/story/240337.html" rel="nofollow">building regional jails to house illegals</a> and then deport them. There have been squeals and whines that even if they are separate and equal the illegals may be treated differently! A good report released from the GAO on <a href="http://www.gao.gov/docdblite/summary.php?rptno=GAO-05-337R&accno=A21157" rel="nofollow">Criminal Aliens Incarcerated in Federal and State Prisons and Local Jails</a> The drain on the system is eye opening. I try and do my part, when I'm riding past a construction site I like to yell, "La Migra! La Migra" If you've never seen it, this <a href="http://www.purple-twinkie.com/Amazing_Racist/Amazing-Racist-Mexican.asp" rel="nofollow"> video from The Amazing Racist</a> is hilarious. Fortunately, Gov. Sanford just signed a new illegal immigration bill

Sanford signs broad illegal immigration law

There has been talk of building regional jails to house illegals and then deport them. There have been squeals and whines that even if they are separate and equal the illegals may be treated differently!

A good report released from the GAO on Criminal Aliens Incarcerated in Federal and State Prisons and Local Jails The drain on the system is eye opening.

I try and do my part, when I’m riding past a construction site I like to yell, “La Migra! La Migra”

If you’ve never seen it, this video from The Amazing Racist is hilarious.

]]> By: Aye Chihuahua http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/06/24/the-forgotten-issue-illegal-immigration/#comment-89591 Aye Chihuahua Thu, 26 Jun 2008 13:08:24 +0000 http://www.floppingaces.net/?p=5666#comment-89591 Fit fit, I didn't know you lived in SC. I was thinking you were up north somewhere, I don't know why. Fit fit,

I didn’t know you lived in SC.

I was thinking you were up north somewhere, I don’t know why.

]]> By: Fit fit http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/06/24/the-forgotten-issue-illegal-immigration/#comment-89589 Fit fit Thu, 26 Jun 2008 13:00:55 +0000 http://www.floppingaces.net/?p=5666#comment-89589 We have a "Democratic" contender here in South Carolina running with an immigration policy that's well to the right of Senator Lindsey Grahamnesty... We have a “Democratic” contender here in South Carolina running with an immigration policy that’s well to the right of Senator Lindsey Grahamnesty…

]]> By: Aye Chihuahua http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/06/24/the-forgotten-issue-illegal-immigration/#comment-89387 Aye Chihuahua Wed, 25 Jun 2008 22:40:53 +0000 http://www.floppingaces.net/?p=5666#comment-89387 For whatever gains he may make with Hispanics, McCain will lose much more support with Republicans and actual Conservative voters over his stance related to this issue. A Republican or Conservative candidate will never take a majority of the Hispanic vote. It just won't happen. It should, but it won't. McCain would be wise to learn from <a href="http://www.slate.com/id/2194221/#cannondown" rel="nofollow">what just happened</a> to <a href="http://www.cqpolitics.com/wmspage.cfm?docID=news-000002904749" rel="nofollow">Chris Cannon in Utah</a> yesterday. Cannon was a long-term incumbent Republican heavily in favor of the CPoS (Comprehensive Piece of S***) which was put forward, shoved into our throats, and projectile vomited right back into the laps of Congress in 2006. Cannon, who had served for six terms, lost by a margin of roughly 60-40. The American People, by and large, are sick of illegal immigration as an issue. We want the problem solved and over with. This business of putting on a band-aid only to have to come back later and do it again is getting old. Secure. The. Borders. FIRST. Then we'll figure out what we need to do with the ones who crept through the basement window by dead of night. Right now the house is on fire and we're worried about what color to paint the living room. Anyone with common sense can see that illegal immigration is eating us alive. It is negatively affecting our public assistance programs, our hospitals, our schools, our court system and on and on and on. This is modern day slavery. It is going on right now, in 2008, and relatively few people want to step up and do what is needed to resolve it. Instead, the same arguments used to continue the slavery of blacks are used to defend the use of, and the subsequent maltreatment of, illegal immigrants. Illegal immigration an open wound and no one is remotely interested in getting it sewn up. Between the oil drilling issue and the immigration issue, McCain could energize the base and ride a wave right into the White House in Nov. If he would just do it. For whatever gains he may make with Hispanics, McCain will lose much more support with Republicans and actual Conservative voters over his stance related to this issue.

A Republican or Conservative candidate will never take a majority of the Hispanic vote. It just won’t happen. It should, but it won’t.

McCain would be wise to learn from what just happened to Chris Cannon in Utah yesterday.

Cannon was a long-term incumbent Republican heavily in favor of the CPoS (Comprehensive Piece of S***) which was put forward, shoved into our throats, and projectile vomited right back into the laps of Congress in 2006.

Cannon, who had served for six terms, lost by a margin of roughly 60-40.

The American People, by and large, are sick of illegal immigration as an issue. We want the problem solved and over with. This business of putting on a band-aid only to have to come back later and do it again is getting old.

Secure. The. Borders. FIRST.

Then we’ll figure out what we need to do with the ones who crept through the basement window by dead of night.

Right now the house is on fire and we’re worried about what color to paint the living room.

Anyone with common sense can see that illegal immigration is eating us alive. It is negatively affecting our public assistance programs, our hospitals, our schools, our court system and on and on and on.

This is modern day slavery. It is going on right now, in 2008, and relatively few people want to step up and do what is needed to resolve it. Instead, the same arguments used to continue the slavery of blacks are used to defend the use of, and the subsequent maltreatment of, illegal immigrants.

Illegal immigration an open wound and no one is remotely interested in getting it sewn up.

Between the oil drilling issue and the immigration issue, McCain could energize the base and ride a wave right into the White House in Nov. If he would just do it.

]]> By: Fit fit http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/06/24/the-forgotten-issue-illegal-immigration/#comment-89371 Fit fit Wed, 25 Jun 2008 21:01:25 +0000 http://www.floppingaces.net/?p=5666#comment-89371 Obama is polling much better with Hispanics in the GE than he did in the primaries. It looks to me to be the segment with the biggest improvement over what Kerry did. Obama is polling much better with Hispanics in the GE than he did in the primaries. It looks to me to be the segment with the biggest improvement over what Kerry did.

]]> By: crosspatch http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/06/24/the-forgotten-issue-illegal-immigration/#comment-89348 crosspatch Wed, 25 Jun 2008 19:12:47 +0000 http://www.floppingaces.net/?p=5666#comment-89348 I am surprised Obama isn't grabbing this issue and running with it hard. He is going to have a hard enough time getting the hispanic vote in places like LA where there is a lot of tension between the latin and black communities. He is going to need to something to really sway those voters because as it stands right now, at least in the larger California cities, McCain has consistently had a position that is acceptable to those communities and sadly, many hispanic voters out West would rather vote for a white guy than a black guy (unlike the latin communities in the East where there is a larger black hispanic population). I am surprised Obama isn’t grabbing this issue and running with it hard. He is going to have a hard enough time getting the hispanic vote in places like LA where there is a lot of tension between the latin and black communities. He is going to need to something to really sway those voters because as it stands right now, at least in the larger California cities, McCain has consistently had a position that is acceptable to those communities and sadly, many hispanic voters out West would rather vote for a white guy than a black guy (unlike the latin communities in the East where there is a larger black hispanic population).

]]> By: BarbaraS http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/06/24/the-forgotten-issue-illegal-immigration/#comment-89322 BarbaraS Wed, 25 Jun 2008 17:59:19 +0000 http://www.floppingaces.net/?p=5666#comment-89322 I would like to know why the only news that has come out about the border fence was with a ruling by the SC on a section of the fence which has already been built since the lawsuit was enacted. Where is the news about this fence? How much of this fence have the government built? I guess it is too much for our wonderful media to give us this information. After all, that would be a star in George Bush's crown would it not and we can't have that. No accomplishment of this administratin should be allowed to get to the public. They might change their minds about the propaganda the media has worked so hard to enforce for the last 7 1/2 years. The media is too busy reporting on the really important issues like Britney Spears' custody suits and panty- less appearances in public, Paris Hilton's jail time, whether Angelina Jolie was ever ugly and other run ins by celectrities with the law re drugs and alcohol. The media devotes more time to this than actual news. Of course, they don't really report the real news. The public might learn something the media don't want them to know if they did that. I would like to know why the only news that has come out about the border fence was with a ruling by the SC on a section of the fence which has already been built since the lawsuit was enacted. Where is the news about this fence? How much of this fence have the government built? I guess it is too much for our wonderful media to give us this information. After all, that would be a star in George Bush’s crown would it not and we can’t have that. No accomplishment of this administratin should be allowed to get to the public. They might change their minds about the propaganda the media has worked so hard to enforce for the last 7 1/2 years. The media is too busy reporting on the really important issues like Britney Spears’ custody suits and panty- less appearances in public, Paris Hilton’s jail time, whether Angelina Jolie was ever ugly and other run ins by celectrities with the law re drugs and alcohol. The media devotes more time to this than actual news. Of course, they don’t really report the real news. The public might learn something the media don’t want them to know if they did that.

]]> By: Fred http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/06/24/the-forgotten-issue-illegal-immigration/#comment-88990 Fred Tue, 24 Jun 2008 22:18:05 +0000 http://www.floppingaces.net/?p=5666#comment-88990 no offense intended but as a neocon granting orderly amnesty is the best route. Bush tried and he had the right idea. politically it's a thorn. but i will tell you one thing, if you really want the Latino vote you need to understand that it is the one issue they really care about. from a position of pure economics, it also makes the most sense: folks are already here and working, the government might as well capture the revenue. fact is the border with mexico is porous. there is a balance to be made between border enforcement and creating a wider path to citizenship. Obama is so weak on this issue it's not even funny. latinos are turned off by myriad qualities, namely religion and his bs protectionist talk that is all for the unions. wait for the AFL CIO to endorse, then put the issue on the table. one last point, if the economy continues to slide, the flow of illegals will continue to subside. cross border remittances from the US to Mexico are already off 15% year on year which is a glaring indication that the issue is directly tied to job demand/availability in the US, not just border policy. Obama needs to be called on his populist rhetoric and immigration is a huge one. you can't claim the mighty gauntlet of representative to the minority masses if you can't mobilize latinos and asians. they don't identify with him and that is an advantage for McCain. no offense intended but as a neocon granting orderly amnesty is the best route. Bush tried and he had the right idea. politically it’s a thorn. but i will tell you one thing, if you really want the Latino vote you need to understand that it is the one issue they really care about. from a position of pure economics, it also makes the most sense: folks are already here and working, the government might as well capture the revenue. fact is the border with mexico is porous. there is a balance to be made between border enforcement and creating a wider path to citizenship. Obama is so weak on this issue it’s not even funny. latinos are turned off by myriad qualities, namely religion and his bs protectionist talk that is all for the unions. wait for the AFL CIO to endorse, then put the issue on the table. one last point, if the economy continues to slide, the flow of illegals will continue to subside. cross border remittances from the US to Mexico are already off 15% year on year which is a glaring indication that the issue is directly tied to job demand/availability in the US, not just border policy. Obama needs to be called on his populist rhetoric and immigration is a huge one. you can’t claim the mighty gauntlet of representative to the minority masses if you can’t mobilize latinos and asians. they don’t identify with him and that is an advantage for McCain.

]]> By: Fit fit http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/06/24/the-forgotten-issue-illegal-immigration/#comment-88974 Fit fit Tue, 24 Jun 2008 21:00:40 +0000 http://www.floppingaces.net/?p=5666#comment-88974 <blockquote>On illegal immigration the choice this year is between a pro-amnesty candidate and a flip-flopper.</blockquote> Which one is which? I think McCain is more pro Big Scary Fence and Obama is for more border guards. That's the only difference. No matter what happens in Nov. there's a good chance we will be gaining a lot more citizens pretty soon. Millions of new voters that will likely send the GOP (as we now know it) to the dustbins of history... Si se puede!

On illegal immigration the choice this year is between a pro-amnesty candidate and a flip-flopper.

Which one is which? I think McCain is more pro Big Scary Fence and Obama is for more border guards. That’s the only difference. No matter what happens in Nov. there’s a good chance we will be gaining a lot more citizens pretty soon. Millions of new voters that will likely send the GOP (as we now know it) to the dustbins of history… Si se puede!

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