Oh well… I guess if you live in Libby Land, you are exempt from the same standards you try and impose on the rest of us.

How about responding to Comment 44 – I thought that was where we were at in this discussion.
We were talking about national healthcare. The subject changed. Did you take a short nap?

That’s some dandy tap-dancing – Ignore the post right above me that I’m not ready to respond to – Let’s talk about middle names and insults again

You really are afraid to have a meaningful debate.

INRE your comment:

Finally, why do you think we are the only First World country that doesn’t have a nationalized healthcare system? I’m curious.

I’m going to respond, but let’s move this section away from the “race card” thread, and start it under the more current post from Curt on the Canada’s Socialist Healthcare thread instead. It’s more relevant, and easier to keep the thread theme in place. Okay?

“Oh, and Mike, when you want to talk about something more significant and interesting than middle names, I’m here for you too. Cat-cher’s Mitt. I get it.”

So why is it that you keep bringing the subject up?

Would you like me to go back through and count the number of times you have referenced Obama’s middle name?

Comments #5, #7, #12, #16.

Are you going to adopt the style typical of Obama cultists and add “Hussein” to your screen name now?

As for your contention in comment #28 “I challenge you to find one of my posts in which I even used the word paranoid. I don’t believe I ever have.” I believe you have been corrected on that score multiple times.

Did you ever apologize for making such a slur towards readers and commenters while at the same time wailing about how “filthy” with insults this site is?

Do you need a time out Dave?

Man up!

Well, you do win the prize for how many times you can use the word “moron” in one post. If you keep up like this, pretty soon your whole post will just be “moron” repeated over and over again.

Now stop sputtering “moron” for a moment, take a deep breath and look at my post again. Do you see a cite to Michael Moore anywhere? Now look at my IM statistics. They come from the CIA Factbook, not the WHO. The longevity statistics come from the WHO. Do you doubt those statistics?

Having done that, please provide substantiation/source for your description of how the WHO calculates IM stats and how other countries report them. Further, “most of the world” is not precise enough. Let’s leave Cuba out for the sake of argument. Can you substantiate that Canada, the United Kingdom, Germany, Norway, France and Sweden all report IM as you describe?

The US has wait lists for surgery. Do you have statistics that show how they compare to countries with nationalized healthcare?

Finally, why do you think we are the only First World country that doesn’t have a nationalized healthcare system? I’m curious.

BTW, it doesn’t matter what healthcare system Buzz wants to live under.
What matters is the facts.

The US has the 180th highest IM rate of the countries monitored. Guess who is 181? South Korea. Guess who is 182? Cuba. A newborn baby stands a better chance of living in Cuba than it does in the US.

Congratulations, you really are an idiot. I think this has even been discussed here among other places.

First you are actually believing Cuba’s numbers. You’re a moron. Second the comparison of infant mortality in the US in comparison to the rest of the world is an apples to oranges comparison. Most of the world applies the WHO formula for infant mortality. That involves babies being born under a certain weight are not counted for infant mortality if that baby dies. Even if the baby is alive at birth. It was underweight so it doesn’t count. The US doesn’t apply that standard. If the infant is born alive and its under the thresh-hold weight and dies it gets counted. Not only will it be counted, we probably spent a lot of time and money trying to make sure it doesn’t become a statistic for infant mortality numbers. US, numbers are over-inflated when compared to the rest of the world.

All those countries also have worse survival rates for cancer patients. They also suffer from waiting lists for surgeries. Among their other problems. I for one am not willing to trade the problems with the american healthcare industry for the problems these socialized systems have.

Congratulations not only are you a moron for following an empty-suit, you’re a moron for believing Michael Moore propaganda.

I also note that you didn’t attempt to defend the Veterans’ Administration.

Now re: Nationalized healthcare. (Disclosure: the majority of this is copied from a previous post I made on this site.)

I said “Guess that makes me a socialist.” At least on that issue.

Currently, doctors in America effectively are employees of the health insurance companies. Your employer is the entity that pays you. For the vast majority of doctors (Beverly Hills plastic surgeons are a possible exception that comes to mind), that is the insurance companies.
There is little dispute that we have the best healthcare system in the
world, if you can afford it. But that’s like saying Sudan has
excellent national nutrition, because they eat gourmet meals in the
Presidential palace. I make no suggestion of moral equivalency between
the United States and Sudan here, so put down that club. My analogy is logical, not moral.
A more reasonable way to evaluate the quality of a country’s healthcare system is to look at the quality of healthcare provided to the average citizen.

A comparison of our healthcare system with the rest of
the First World starts with a prima facie analysis and goes on from
there. We are the only First World nation I know of without nationalized healthcare.
Does it seem plausible on its face that we’re the only ones who have it right and everyone else has it wrong?

If something so massive and important was such a disaster in Canada or Great Britain, don’t you think the electorate there would do something about it? Remember, we’re talking about democracies here. As much as the term socialism is conflated with totalitarian communism, like that of the former Soviet Union, high levels of socialism exist in many of the world’s non-American democracies.

Now let’s look at two core/elemental metrics of the quality of a nation’s healthcare system:
Infant Mortality (IM) and Longevity

IM (Source: CIA statistics -ttps://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2091rank.html)

The US has the 180th highest IM rate of the countries monitored. Guess who is 181? South Korea. Guess who is 182? Cuba. A newborn baby stands a better chance of living in Cuba than it does in the US.

Which countries have lower IMs than the US? (Same source as above)

Canada

United Kingdom

Germany

Norway

France

Sweden

All have nationalized healthcare.

Longevity (M/F)
(Source: World Health Organization
/http://www.who.int/whosis/database/life_tables/life_tables.cfm)

US – 75/80

UK – 77/81

Canada – 78/83

People in the UK and Canada live longer than Americans, despite their purportedly abysmal healthcare systems.

You’re confused. As a military retiree, I am able to go to private doctors, just like any other civilian with private insurance.

Except after you nationalize the Health Insurance industry like you want, private doctors will cease to exist. Oh sure you can try to twist around and claim that there are still private doctors out there, but their only employer would be the state.

Now go run along and kiss your messiah’s feet, and talk about how you support his ideas. You know, before he changes them again.

You’re confused. As a military retiree, I am able to go to private doctors, just like any other civilian with private insurance. It’s the injured vets who are thrown on the not always tender mercies of the Veteran’s Administration. If you’re running the war on a credit card, you try to cut your costs on the backend when the damaged troops come home.

We can discuss the healthcare system shortly.

And hey, Sugar Ray, why don’t you try those “nuanced” jabs and stop playing cute. Stop telling me what you have and bring it. You know what would be really direct? Facts and logic.

It’s the other 48 million Americans I care about.

Now its 48 million huh? How many of them can actually afford insurance but choose not to get it? Explain to me how putting the DMV and the Social Security administration in charge of health insurance is a good thing?

I’m all for Americans without insurance being able to receive medical treatment. Good thing that they are able to do that. And hell I’m even fine with them getting health insurance too. The thing is that to do that should not require the nationalization of an entire industry.

Btw, your health insurance given to you by your service is apparently just absolutely horrible according to your ideological brethren. Well at least it is when they wanted to make accusations about Bush not supporting our veterans. Other times its just great proof of government run healthcare.

Guess that makes me a socialist.

It does. You really don’t have any concept of what words mean do you?

But once again, my friend, anytime you want to have a debate like big boys, instead of having a sixth grade scorn fight, I’m right here.

From the man constantly throwing out insults. I call you names because its direct, and very obvious that any attempts at nuanced jabs would go over your head at the flight altitude of a 747.

I need neither a mommy nor a daddy. I have primary and secondary health insurance because I served my country and now I’m serving my state. It’s the other 48 million Americans I care about. Guess that makes me a socialist.

You just can’t resist the insults can you? They’re your substitute for rational discussion.
Hey, man, that’s cool. You have to play what you got.

But once again, my friend, anytime you want to have a debate like big boys, instead of having a sixth grade scorn fight, I’m right here.

Oh, and Mike, when you want to talk about something more significant and interesting than middle names, I’m here for you too. Cat-cher’s Mitt. I get it.

You don’t know what Romney’s middle name is?

I’ll give you a hint: It’s what Catchers in baseball put on one hand to help them catch the ball.

I support his policies, e.g., nationalized healthcare

Certainly makes you a socialist. Probably not a far cry from marxism. Sorry I grew up, I no longer need or want mommy and daddy to take care of me like you do.

I stand by my statement that the only people that would find the mere fact that Barrack Obama’s middle name is Hussein a problem are either paranoid or racist. You don’t fall into that category, do you?

I don’t find it a problem. However elitists like you do. So you are either paranoid or a racist. Otherwise you wouldn’t be so afraid of having people say it. You consider the american people stupid. You fear that they are racist and won’t vote for your empty-suited messiah if they hear Hussein too much.

If you don’t think it is a problem why are you so against people using it? If the media didn’t think it was a problem why are they so against using it?

Dude, I don’t even know what Romney’s middle name is. Honestly

Its Mitt, duh. You sure you went to college? Because I didn’t know that and was able to figure it out immediately based on the comment.

You can insult without calling people names. Something you are able to do. I just find the direct approach much simpler, otherwise it might confuse someone that can’t figure out a joke like Mitt Romney’s middle name, or remember what they have said in a previous post and didn’t take the time to look.

Idiotic Socialist.