support them

In the civilian courts, there are far more ways for cases to be flawed for procedure, and thrown out for technicalities. A judge owns his court room. He can rule as he pleases - even blatantly in opposition to cited precedents - and the only way to challenge his rule is to take it a step higher in the system. Therefore you often have to have patience, and deep pockets to go the distance for justice in civilian courts.

Fact is, our civilian courts and attorneys are profit driven. He with the best (and most expensive) legal team, with the best tap dance before a jury, wins. JAGs and military courts offer no such windfall. Take money and profit out of the equation and the corruption potential goes down.

The complexity, and conflict, of poorly constructed laws from local, state and federal legislators makes the civilian courts a zoo. By comparison, military tribunals cut thru the crap and are more streamlined… less burdened by the inadequacies of badly written laws.

So when it comes to matters of our military, war and war criminals, I trust military justice over civilian justice, JAGs over ACLU lawyers any day. They have a more unique, first hand perspective of the scenarios, orders and procedure for soldiers and combat.

Glad, however, to hear you accept the court’s judgment.

in the civil justice system, dismissed “with prejudice” means, to put it simply, that the matter cannot be brought up again. i assume it means the same thing under the USCMJ. it does not mean what you obviously, and wrongly, thought it meant.

murtha is a known pissant. apparently, so are you.

If you were paying attention to my comments on the previous Haditha thread, and I’m sure you were, you won’t be surprised by my reaction: I accept the judgement of the court.

Putting all the understandable emotion around this issue aside for the moment, I have a hard time following the logic of the comments on the Haditha threads. I read that the military justice system is corrupted, rigged, and can’t be trusted and then when someone is exonerated, you all say “See, told you they were innocent.” If the system can’t be trusted, what is the significance of an exoneration? Isn’t that a “heads I win, tails you lose” kind of argument? Can you really have it both ways?

Despite the fact that guys are getting off the hook–and I choose that formulation deliberately–it still doesn’t look like Haditha was a proud page out of Marine history.

It wasn’t a proud page of Marine Corps history not because of what any of the charged did wrong, they didn’t, but because of what the Marine Corps’ “leadership” (if you could call it that) did to the accused. The Marine Chain of Command sold those Marines down the river for purely political reasons.

The Marine Corps’ CoC disgraced the Marine Corps, not the eight that were accused/charged.

We’ll see if the CoC and the despicable Murtha will be held accountable for their actions.

I doubt it…

But, ya know, that’s democracy (the justices’ vote) and the way our republic was set up by the founding fathers. We deal with it until they figure out the error of their ways, then find a way to back peddle one more time.

Of course, the inevitable weighing in I suggested (with sarcasm) is by those who believe that our courts were letting our guys “off the hook”. Thank you for providing what I knew would come. Tho I really expected Dave Noble to be the first to come, based on his comments from from the previous Haditha thread.

So DW5000, will you be as acerbic and disappointed when terrorists get “off the hook” with our justice system? Or do you reserve your disdain only towards our troops who were under fire?

Actually, I’m angry at the kids who got killed.

How dare those Marines fire back at those who fired upon them! How dare they! They should of laid down their arms and died where they stood because the enemy held civilians in front of them inside the house.

It’s all their damn fault! Those damn American Marines!

Pathetic man….just pathetic

You want to be mad at someone you be mad at the terrorists who used these innocents as shields.

Actually, I’m angry at the kids who got killed. What the heck were they thinking? Didn’t they realize that, by being killed, they were going to make life difficult for their killers? Why did three-year-old Aisha Younis Salim hate America so much? We will never know.

A solid day’s work all around. It’s Miller Time!

Will he ever apologize?

Will all the newspapers that ran the accusations on their front pages run the verdicts ?

one had the charges dismissed “with prejudice.”

Somehow I don’t think that you know what that means because in reality “with prejudice” doesn’t support the position that you are putting forth.

Why don’t you explain “with prejudice” to us.

getting off the hook–and I choose that formulation deliberately

Interesting.

Tell me, DW, are you privy to the evidence?

A member of the prosecution perhaps?

Outside of access to the evidence you’re just guessing.

People are supposed to get their day in court. That’s the way we’re supposed to do things here. That’s one of the things that makes us better than the bad guys.

We also have a presumption of innocence but obviously you missed that when you took the flea market law school course since you have carefully and purposely expressed that these guys are “getting off the hook.”