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		<title>By: stix1972</title>
		<link>http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/06/17/obama-the-september-10th-candidate/#comment-86923</link>
		<dc:creator>stix1972</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 00:12:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am just wondering who will be called to testify and what classified evidence would be permitted in court.   Maybe we can tell them how we are going after them like we did with OBL&#039;s satellite phone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am just wondering who will be called to testify and what classified evidence would be permitted in court.   Maybe we can tell them how we are going after them like we did with OBL&#8217;s satellite phone.</p>
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		<title>By: MataHarley</title>
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		<dc:creator>MataHarley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 00:04:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He&#039;s already been indicted (in absentia) by a grand jury in US District Court, Stix.  I would say, in theory, if he were captured elsewhere, we could request extradition... provided we have an extradition agreement with the capturing country.

So evidently he&#039;s already set up to be tried in US District Courts. I don&#039;t know if that&#039;s the only indictment he has.

UPDATE:  Again Aye Chi and I are furiously typing simultaneously... da in sync minds continue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He&#8217;s already been indicted (in absentia) by a grand jury in US District Court, Stix.  I would say, in theory, if he were captured elsewhere, we could request extradition&#8230; provided we have an extradition agreement with the capturing country.</p>
<p>So evidently he&#8217;s already set up to be tried in US District Courts. I don&#8217;t know if that&#8217;s the only indictment he has.</p>
<p>UPDATE:  Again Aye Chi and I are furiously typing simultaneously&#8230; da in sync minds continue.</p>
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		<title>By: Aye Chihuahua</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aye Chihuahua</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 00:00:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Honestly Mata, I don&#039;t think Dave would care.

In my estimation, he would herald it as another &quot;the system worked&quot; moment.

The only law applicable to the battlefield is the Law of Land Warfare and the Geneva Conventions.

Those laws make it rather clear what should happen to OBL if he is ever captured.

However, I happen to believe that his bones are a mouldering in a cave somewhere and we won&#039;t ever have to cross that bridge.

Stix, if OBL is ever brought onto US soil for trial he will, ironically enough, go to New York City which is where he was indicted for the embassy bombings.

Somehow I don&#039;t see him finding a judge who wouldn&#039;t need to recuse him/herself from the case and can you imagine what jury selection would be like?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Honestly Mata, I don&#8217;t think Dave would care.</p>
<p>In my estimation, he would herald it as another &#8220;the system worked&#8221; moment.</p>
<p>The only law applicable to the battlefield is the Law of Land Warfare and the Geneva Conventions.</p>
<p>Those laws make it rather clear what should happen to OBL if he is ever captured.</p>
<p>However, I happen to believe that his bones are a mouldering in a cave somewhere and we won&#8217;t ever have to cross that bridge.</p>
<p>Stix, if OBL is ever brought onto US soil for trial he will, ironically enough, go to New York City which is where he was indicted for the embassy bombings.</p>
<p>Somehow I don&#8217;t see him finding a judge who wouldn&#8217;t need to recuse him/herself from the case and can you imagine what jury selection would be like?</p>
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		<title>By: stix1972</title>
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		<dc:creator>stix1972</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 23:46:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really do want to know what jurisdiction that Osam bin Laden falls under.????  He is not a US citizen and if caught would be a unlawful combatant which would fall under military jurisdiction.  So where should we try him at????   Military tribunals were good for all other wars we have ever been, what changes this one????  Oh I forgot, Osoma is a criminal, not an enemy.  He is just like the local drug dealer or gang member.   What a fool I was.

Osama bin Laden  should not be tried under US Law, he is not a US citizen, and will not be caught on US soil.  Simply there is no way any terrorists should be tried in any US court.

The Supreme Court just gave everyone in the World a US Citizenship.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really do want to know what jurisdiction that Osam bin Laden falls under.????  He is not a US citizen and if caught would be a unlawful combatant which would fall under military jurisdiction.  So where should we try him at????   Military tribunals were good for all other wars we have ever been, what changes this one????  Oh I forgot, Osoma is a criminal, not an enemy.  He is just like the local drug dealer or gang member.   What a fool I was.</p>
<p>Osama bin Laden  should not be tried under US Law, he is not a US citizen, and will not be caught on US soil.  Simply there is no way any terrorists should be tried in any US court.</p>
<p>The Supreme Court just gave everyone in the World a US Citizenship.</p>
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		<title>By: MataHarley</title>
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		<dc:creator>MataHarley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 23:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That is a very &quot;noble&quot; statement, Dave Noble.  One that, in theory I can agree on.  However will you still feel that way if OBL, guilty beyond all doubt,  goes free for legal technicalities?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is a very &#8220;noble&#8221; statement, Dave Noble.  One that, in theory I can agree on.  However will you still feel that way if OBL, guilty beyond all doubt,  goes free for legal technicalities?</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Noble</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Noble</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 23:39:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, Aye Chi, Ossama Bin Laden deserves his day in court, not because of what he is, but because of what we are:

A civilized democratic country, founded on, and still adherent to, the rule of law.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, Aye Chi, Ossama Bin Laden deserves his day in court, not because of what he is, but because of what we are:</p>
<p>A civilized democratic country, founded on, and still adherent to, the rule of law.</p>
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		<title>By: Bookwormroom</title>
		<link>http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/06/17/obama-the-september-10th-candidate/#comment-86644</link>
		<dc:creator>Bookwormroom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 06:21:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Totally off topic, but I&#039;m following the rules for &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.bookwormroom.com/2008/06/17/me-me-me-meme/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;a meme that hit me&lt;/a&gt; and that I&#039;m now bouncing to you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Totally off topic, but I&#8217;m following the rules for <a href="http://www.bookwormroom.com/2008/06/17/me-me-me-meme/" rel="nofollow">a meme that hit me</a> and that I&#8217;m now bouncing to you.</p>
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		<title>By: yonason</title>
		<link>http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/06/17/obama-the-september-10th-candidate/#comment-86630</link>
		<dc:creator>yonason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 03:46:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;...in previous terrorist attacks — for example, the first attack against the World Trade Center, we were able to arrest those responsible, put them on trial. They are currently in U.S. prisons, incapacitated.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

And we all know how effective THAT was in preventing any future attack.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>&#8220;&#8230;in previous terrorist attacks — for example, the first attack against the World Trade Center, we were able to arrest those responsible, put them on trial. They are currently in U.S. prisons, incapacitated.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>And we all know how effective THAT was in preventing any future attack.</p>
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		<title>By: The Colossus</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Colossus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 03:43:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Barack Hussein Obama, Osama Bin Laden (I know it&#039;s probably hard to tell the two apart) was behind the 93&#039; WTC attack as well. Where is he?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Barack Hussein Obama, Osama Bin Laden (I know it&#8217;s probably hard to tell the two apart) was behind the 93&#8242; WTC attack as well. Where is he?</p>
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		<title>By: Mike's America</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike's America</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 03:31:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obama calls Iraq part of a &quot;failed strategy?&quot;

Failed how? No attacks on U.S. soil since 9/11 and no recent terror attacks on U.S. interests or persons anywhere in the world.

How is that a failure? What would Obama do better? He never says.

I like the part of Jake Tapper&#039;s question that precedes Obama&#039;s answer:

&lt;blockquote&gt;there has not been a terrorist attack within the U.S. since 9/11. And they say the reason that is, is because of the domestic programs, many of which you opposed, the NSA surveillance program, Guantanamo Bay, and other programs. How do you know that they&#039;re wrong? It&#039;s not possible that they&#039;re right? &lt;/blockquote&gt;

How many of these terror plots have been foiled directly due to the Bush &quot;failed strategy&quot;?

Had we not been taking aggressive measures to PREVENT another terrorist attack we might have lost those passenger jets over the Atlantic from Britain a couple of years ago with thousands dead and their bodies never recovered. I could go on and cite many, MANY other examples.

How is that the Obamatons can say such crap with a straight face?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama calls Iraq part of a &#8220;failed strategy?&#8221;</p>
<p>Failed how? No attacks on U.S. soil since 9/11 and no recent terror attacks on U.S. interests or persons anywhere in the world.</p>
<p>How is that a failure? What would Obama do better? He never says.</p>
<p>I like the part of Jake Tapper&#8217;s question that precedes Obama&#8217;s answer:</p>
<blockquote><p>there has not been a terrorist attack within the U.S. since 9/11. And they say the reason that is, is because of the domestic programs, many of which you opposed, the NSA surveillance program, Guantanamo Bay, and other programs. How do you know that they&#8217;re wrong? It&#8217;s not possible that they&#8217;re right? </p></blockquote>
<p>How many of these terror plots have been foiled directly due to the Bush &#8220;failed strategy&#8221;?</p>
<p>Had we not been taking aggressive measures to PREVENT another terrorist attack we might have lost those passenger jets over the Atlantic from Britain a couple of years ago with thousands dead and their bodies never recovered. I could go on and cite many, MANY other examples.</p>
<p>How is that the Obamatons can say such crap with a straight face?</p>
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		<title>By: MataHarley</title>
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		<dc:creator>MataHarley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 02:21:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yet more as BHO rattles on, from &lt;a href=&quot;http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/06/17/obama-rejects-gop-criticism-on-terrorism/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;The NYT&#039;s political blog, The Caucus:&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt;

First the typical pol response to anything... let&#039;s get the BDS victims cheering again with the same ol, same ol...

&lt;blockquote&gt;“These are the same guys who helped to engineer the distraction of the war in Iraq at a time when we could’ve pinned down the people who actually committed 9/11,” Mr. Obama said, speaking to reporters aboard his campaign plane. “In part because of their failed strategies, we’ve got bin Laden still sending out audio tapes, so I don’t think they have much standing to suggest that they’ve learned a lot of lessons from 9/11.”&lt;/blockquote&gt;

If memory serves me right, Congress played a HUGE role in that engineered &quot;distraction&quot; with the AUMF.  Oh yes... BHO couldnt&#039; know that.  He wasn&#039;t there!  He was against it, before he could actually be held accountable one way or another.   

&lt;blockquote&gt;“What they are trying to do is what they’ve done every election cycle, which is to use terrorism as a club to make the American people afraid – to win elections,” he said.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Ah yes, the ol&#039; &quot;fear&quot; tactic they accuse the GOP of, while simultaneously using the &quot;fear&quot; tactic *against* the GOP.  Huh?

&lt;blockquote&gt;“The simple point that I was making, which I will continue to make throughout this campaign, is that we can abide by due process and abide by basic concepts of rule of law and still crack down on terrorists,” Mr. Obama said. “None of the folks that were speaking for McCain today have given us one bit of information that would suggest that as a consequence of the court’s ruling, terrorists will be able to attack America more effectively.” &lt;/blockquote&gt;

All in all, this last statement is  boldly - and prematurely - spoken since we have yet to encounter what classified evidence may be demanded, what witnesses may be called, etal.   After all, SCOTUS nipped a process created by Congress (evidently sans Obama...) in the bud, before it could ever be used.

Will His Messiahship change his tune when  lawyers in a court demand classified info, or suggest that the case be thrown out when it&#039;s not provided?  How about when they attempt to haul an undercover informer into court for the accused to confront?  

That BHO can not see the  &quot;consequences&quot; of the court ruling, right along with the &quot;blind&quot; majority justices, suggests we all might be headed up sheeeeeet&#039;s creek, paddle&#039;less.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yet more as BHO rattles on, from <a href="http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/06/17/obama-rejects-gop-criticism-on-terrorism/" rel="nofollow"><b>The NYT&#8217;s political blog, The Caucus:</b></a></p>
<p>First the typical pol response to anything&#8230; let&#8217;s get the BDS victims cheering again with the same ol, same ol&#8230;</p>
<blockquote><p>“These are the same guys who helped to engineer the distraction of the war in Iraq at a time when we could’ve pinned down the people who actually committed 9/11,” Mr. Obama said, speaking to reporters aboard his campaign plane. “In part because of their failed strategies, we’ve got bin Laden still sending out audio tapes, so I don’t think they have much standing to suggest that they’ve learned a lot of lessons from 9/11.”</p></blockquote>
<p>If memory serves me right, Congress played a HUGE role in that engineered &#8220;distraction&#8221; with the AUMF.  Oh yes&#8230; BHO couldnt&#8217; know that.  He wasn&#8217;t there!  He was against it, before he could actually be held accountable one way or another.   </p>
<blockquote><p>“What they are trying to do is what they’ve done every election cycle, which is to use terrorism as a club to make the American people afraid – to win elections,” he said.</p></blockquote>
<p>Ah yes, the ol&#8217; &#8220;fear&#8221; tactic they accuse the GOP of, while simultaneously using the &#8220;fear&#8221; tactic *against* the GOP.  Huh?</p>
<blockquote><p>“The simple point that I was making, which I will continue to make throughout this campaign, is that we can abide by due process and abide by basic concepts of rule of law and still crack down on terrorists,” Mr. Obama said. “None of the folks that were speaking for McCain today have given us one bit of information that would suggest that as a consequence of the court’s ruling, terrorists will be able to attack America more effectively.” </p></blockquote>
<p>All in all, this last statement is  boldly &#8211; and prematurely &#8211; spoken since we have yet to encounter what classified evidence may be demanded, what witnesses may be called, etal.   After all, SCOTUS nipped a process created by Congress (evidently sans Obama&#8230;) in the bud, before it could ever be used.</p>
<p>Will His Messiahship change his tune when  lawyers in a court demand classified info, or suggest that the case be thrown out when it&#8217;s not provided?  How about when they attempt to haul an undercover informer into court for the accused to confront?  </p>
<p>That BHO can not see the  &#8220;consequences&#8221; of the court ruling, right along with the &#8220;blind&#8221; majority justices, suggests we all might be headed up sheeeeeet&#8217;s creek, paddle&#8217;less.</p>
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		<title>By: stix1972</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 02:10:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is the best the Democarats could do.  A man that will bring us back to a 9/10 mentality and go after them like they are a common criminal.   I am sure tha FDR, JFK Scoop Jackson and many other Democrats are rolling in their graves right now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is the best the Democarats could do.  A man that will bring us back to a 9/10 mentality and go after them like they are a common criminal.   I am sure tha FDR, JFK Scoop Jackson and many other Democrats are rolling in their graves right now.</p>
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		<title>By: luva the scissors</title>
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		<dc:creator>luva the scissors</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 01:51:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ever notice how when obama is called on his vague and confused answers they get more vague and confused?  then he wonders why everyone is lokking at him like he is crazy because he makes even less sense than usual.   hate to sound like i want a &quot;lynching&quot;, but i think some of the gitmo guys should have had accidents in the field or something.  they are scarey, scarey people who will stopa tnothing to destroy this country and obama wants to help them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ever notice how when obama is called on his vague and confused answers they get more vague and confused?  then he wonders why everyone is lokking at him like he is crazy because he makes even less sense than usual.   hate to sound like i want a &#8220;lynching&#8221;, but i think some of the gitmo guys should have had accidents in the field or something.  they are scarey, scarey people who will stopa tnothing to destroy this country and obama wants to help them.</p>
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		<title>By: Aye Chihuahua</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aye Chihuahua</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 01:30:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The first detainee to avail himself of the 5-4 SCOTUS decision will appear before a military judge on Wed.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Against that backdrop [the Boudemaine decision], navy Lt.-Cmdr. Bill Kuebler, Khadr&#039;s military-appointed defence lawyer, will use Wednesday&#039;s hearing to argue that the entire case against the Toronto-born accused terrorist should be thrown out on grounds U.S. authorities have never told him of his rights.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

John F&#039;n Kerry said today that Osama, if captured, deserves his day in court.

Unreal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The first detainee to avail himself of the 5-4 SCOTUS decision will appear before a military judge on Wed.</p>
<blockquote><p>Against that backdrop [the Boudemaine decision], navy Lt.-Cmdr. Bill Kuebler, Khadr&#8217;s military-appointed defence lawyer, will use Wednesday&#8217;s hearing to argue that the entire case against the Toronto-born accused terrorist should be thrown out on grounds U.S. authorities have never told him of his rights.</p></blockquote>
<p>John F&#8217;n Kerry said today that Osama, if captured, deserves his day in court.</p>
<p>Unreal.</p>
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		<title>By: IcanCopyandPasteToo</title>
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		<dc:creator>IcanCopyandPasteToo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 01:23:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Date  	                                                                   

07/19/2007	

Bill Title 
Sense of the Senate on Guantanamo Bay                     
Detainees  S Amdt 2351

Vote by Obama
NV

Result
Amendment Adopted -  
Senate (94 - 3)


Vote to pass an amendment that expresses the sense of the Senate that the detainees at Guantanamo Bay should not be released into American society or transferred into detention facilities on American soil.

Official Title of Legislation:

S Amdt 2351 to S Amdt 2327 to HR 2669: To express the sense of the Senate on the detainees of Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.


Way to go Obama</description>
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<p>07/19/2007	</p>
<p>Bill Title<br />
Sense of the Senate on Guantanamo Bay<br />
Detainees  S Amdt 2351</p>
<p>Vote by Obama<br />
NV</p>
<p>Result<br />
Amendment Adopted &#8211;<br />
Senate (94 &#8211; 3)</p>
<p>Vote to pass an amendment that expresses the sense of the Senate that the detainees at Guantanamo Bay should not be released into American society or transferred into detention facilities on American soil.</p>
<p>Official Title of Legislation:</p>
<p>S Amdt 2351 to S Amdt 2327 to HR 2669: To express the sense of the Senate on the detainees of Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.</p>
<p>Way to go Obama</p>
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