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	<title>Comments on: New York Times: Obama Is a Girlie Man [Reader Post]</title>
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		<title>By: SoCal Chris</title>
		<link>http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/06/17/new-york-times-obama-is-a-girlie-man/#comment-86848</link>
		<dc:creator>SoCal Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 19:26:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[Obama is an empty suit tha twill say everything that is fed him by his handlers. if you ask him a question that he does not have a cue card for, he is a deer in the headlights and can not explain anything]

Aha!!  Now I know the reason I keep referring to him as &quot;Obambi&quot;!   Makes total sense now.</description>
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<p>Aha!!  Now I know the reason I keep referring to him as &#8220;Obambi&#8221;!   Makes total sense now.</p>
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		<title>By: stix1972</title>
		<link>http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/06/17/new-york-times-obama-is-a-girlie-man/#comment-86838</link>
		<dc:creator>stix1972</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 18:54:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Umm and Obama has kept the same policies from one day to the next.   How many versions of what he is going to do in Iraq have you heard.  I count at leat 5 there may be more, I could have missed a few.

And what exactly are some of his policies.  I really never heard anything other than  &quot;hope and change&quot;  Please tell us waht he will do about Social Security, except tax the hell out of us???  What about gas prices, oh I forgot he likes the gas prices high, so probably nothing like Nancy Pelosi and the rest of the Merry bunch of Democrats.

Obama is an empty suit tha twill say everything that is fed him by his handlers. if you ask him a question that he does not have a cue card for, he is a deer in the headlights and can not explain anything</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Umm and Obama has kept the same policies from one day to the next.   How many versions of what he is going to do in Iraq have you heard.  I count at leat 5 there may be more, I could have missed a few.</p>
<p>And what exactly are some of his policies.  I really never heard anything other than  &#8220;hope and change&#8221;  Please tell us waht he will do about Social Security, except tax the hell out of us???  What about gas prices, oh I forgot he likes the gas prices high, so probably nothing like Nancy Pelosi and the rest of the Merry bunch of Democrats.</p>
<p>Obama is an empty suit tha twill say everything that is fed him by his handlers. if you ask him a question that he does not have a cue card for, he is a deer in the headlights and can not explain anything</p>
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		<title>By: Fit fit</title>
		<link>http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/06/17/new-york-times-obama-is-a-girlie-man/#comment-86832</link>
		<dc:creator>Fit fit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 18:44:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t bash him on his policies, they keep changing to fast for me to keep up...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t bash him on his policies, they keep changing to fast for me to keep up&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Aye Chihuahua</title>
		<link>http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/06/17/new-york-times-obama-is-a-girlie-man/#comment-86831</link>
		<dc:creator>Aye Chihuahua</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 18:27:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The thing I find most revealing about this incident Fit fit is that two &quot;volunteers&quot;, working independent of one another, in two totally separate and unique instances both made the same decision. 

That makes me believe that they were following instructions.

I wonder what would have happened if two people on McCain&#039;s &quot;volunteer&quot; staff had done the same thing.

As for the McCain bashing, I will limit my criticism of him to his policies.  Accusations such as what is detailed in the video you linked have no merit because they simply cannot be proven.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The thing I find most revealing about this incident Fit fit is that two &#8220;volunteers&#8221;, working independent of one another, in two totally separate and unique instances both made the same decision. </p>
<p>That makes me believe that they were following instructions.</p>
<p>I wonder what would have happened if two people on McCain&#8217;s &#8220;volunteer&#8221; staff had done the same thing.</p>
<p>As for the McCain bashing, I will limit my criticism of him to his policies.  Accusations such as what is detailed in the video you linked have no merit because they simply cannot be proven.</p>
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		<title>By: Fit fit</title>
		<link>http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/06/17/new-york-times-obama-is-a-girlie-man/#comment-86792</link>
		<dc:creator>Fit fit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 17:32:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No excuses, but  an &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0608/11168.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;apology&lt;/a&gt;.

More tasteless McCain &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Euu_DMhsXQo&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;bashing&lt;/a&gt; if you dare.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No excuses, but  an <a href="http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0608/11168.html" rel="nofollow">apology</a>.</p>
<p>More tasteless McCain <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Euu_DMhsXQo" rel="nofollow">bashing</a> if you dare.</p>
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		<title>By: Aye Chihuahua</title>
		<link>http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/06/17/new-york-times-obama-is-a-girlie-man/#comment-86770</link>
		<dc:creator>Aye Chihuahua</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 16:06:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0608/11168.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Muslims barred from picture at Obama event&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;Two Muslim women at Barack Obama&#039;s rally in Detroit Monday were barred from sitting behind the podium by campaign volunteers seeking to prevent the women&#039;s headscarves from appearing in photographs or on television with the candidate.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;I was coming to support him, and I felt like I was discriminated against by the very person who was supposed to be bringing this change, who I could really relate to,&quot; said Hebba Aref, a 25-year-old lawyer who lives in the Detroit suburb of Bloomfield Hills. &quot;The message that I thought was delivered to us was that they do not want him associated with Muslims or Muslim supporters.&quot;

In Detroit Monday the two different Obama volunteers – in separate incidents– made it clear that headscarves wouldn&#039;t be in the picture. The volunteers gave different explanations for excluding the hijabs, one bluntly political and the other less clear.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;The volunteer &quot;explained to me that because of the political climate and what&#039;s going on in the world and what&#039;s going on with Muslim Americans it&#039;s not good for her to be seen on TV or associated with Obama,&quot; said Koussan, who is a law student at Wayne State University.

Both Koussan and Miller said they specifically recalled the volunteer citing the &quot;political climate&quot; in telling them they couldn&#039;t sit behind Obama.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;Abdelfadeel, after recovering from the shock of the incident, went to look for the volunteer and confronted her minutes later, she said in an email interview with Politico.

&quot;We&#039;re not letting anyone with anything on their heads like baseballs or scarves sit behind the stage,&quot; she paraphrased the volunteer as saying, an account Marino confirmed. &quot;It has nothing to do with your religion!&quot; &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Hope.

Change.

Something different for everyone, unless you wear a headscarf.


At a previous &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.thetartan.org/2008/4/7/news/obama&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Michelle Obama event&lt;/a&gt;, staffers/volunteers said &lt;b&gt;“Get me more white people, we need more white people”&lt;/b&gt; as they orchestrated seating arrangements into an aesthetically pleasing formation.

Anyone starting to see a pattern develop here?

***

&quot;Explain Away&quot; application will begin in 3, 2, 1 .......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0608/11168.html" rel="nofollow">Muslims barred from picture at Obama event</a></p>
<blockquote><p>Two Muslim women at Barack Obama&#8217;s rally in Detroit Monday were barred from sitting behind the podium by campaign volunteers seeking to prevent the women&#8217;s headscarves from appearing in photographs or on television with the candidate.</p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;I was coming to support him, and I felt like I was discriminated against by the very person who was supposed to be bringing this change, who I could really relate to,&#8221; said Hebba Aref, a 25-year-old lawyer who lives in the Detroit suburb of Bloomfield Hills. &#8220;The message that I thought was delivered to us was that they do not want him associated with Muslims or Muslim supporters.&#8221;</p>
<p>In Detroit Monday the two different Obama volunteers – in separate incidents– made it clear that headscarves wouldn&#8217;t be in the picture. The volunteers gave different explanations for excluding the hijabs, one bluntly political and the other less clear.</p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p>The volunteer &#8220;explained to me that because of the political climate and what&#8217;s going on in the world and what&#8217;s going on with Muslim Americans it&#8217;s not good for her to be seen on TV or associated with Obama,&#8221; said Koussan, who is a law student at Wayne State University.</p>
<p>Both Koussan and Miller said they specifically recalled the volunteer citing the &#8220;political climate&#8221; in telling them they couldn&#8217;t sit behind Obama.
</p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p>Abdelfadeel, after recovering from the shock of the incident, went to look for the volunteer and confronted her minutes later, she said in an email interview with Politico.</p>
<p>&#8220;We&#8217;re not letting anyone with anything on their heads like baseballs or scarves sit behind the stage,&#8221; she paraphrased the volunteer as saying, an account Marino confirmed. &#8220;It has nothing to do with your religion!&#8221; </p></blockquote>
<p>Hope.</p>
<p>Change.</p>
<p>Something different for everyone, unless you wear a headscarf.</p>
<p>At a previous <a href="http://www.thetartan.org/2008/4/7/news/obama" rel="nofollow">Michelle Obama event</a>, staffers/volunteers said <b>“Get me more white people, we need more white people”</b> as they orchestrated seating arrangements into an aesthetically pleasing formation.</p>
<p>Anyone starting to see a pattern develop here?</p>
<p>***</p>
<p>&#8220;Explain Away&#8221; application will begin in 3, 2, 1 &#8230;&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: tax em until they drop</title>
		<link>http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/06/17/new-york-times-obama-is-a-girlie-man/#comment-86768</link>
		<dc:creator>tax em until they drop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 15:54:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OBAMA HAS REPEATEDLY VOTED FOR HIGHER TAXES IN THE U.S. SENATE:

It’s no surprise that Obama would raise taxes as President, because he’s repeatedly voted for higher taxes in the Senate:

Obama Voted At Least 94 Times For Higher Taxes In The U.S. Senate. (RNC Research)

*To date, Obama has voted for a tax increase approximately once EVERY FIVE DAYS Congress Has Been In Session. (RNC Research; The Library Of Congress Website, thomas.loc.gov, Accessed 6/8/08) –emphasis mine–

Obama Voted At Least 12 Times For Higher Income Taxes. (RNC Research)

Obama Voted Against Marriage Penalty Relief At Least Twice. (RNC Research)

Obama Voted Against Extending The Expanded Child Tax Credit. (RNC Research)

Obama Voted At Least 3 Times Against Repealing The 1993 Income Tax Increase On Social Security Benefits. (RNC Research)

Obama Has Voted At Least 5 Times Against Providing Relief From The Alternative Minimum Tax. (RNC Research)

Obama Has Voted At Least 7 Times Against Tax Incentives Benefiting Small Business. (RNC Research)

Obama Voted Against Capital Gains Tax Cuts At Least 9 Times. (RNC Research)

Obama Voted Against Tax Cuts On Dividend Income At Least 9 Times. (RNC Research)

Obama Voted In Favor Of The Democrats’ FY 2009 Budget, Which Would Raise Tax Rates For Americans Earning As Little As $31,850:

Obama Voted Twice In Favor Of The Democrats’ FY 2009 Budget Resolution. (S. Con. Res. 70, CQ Vote #85, Adopted 51-44: R 2-43; D 47-1; I 2-0, 3/14/08, Obama Voted Yea; S. Con. Res. 70, CQ Vote #142: Adopted 48- 45: R 2- 44; D 44- 1; I 2-0, 6/4/08, Obama Voted Yea)

“Under both Democratic plans, tax rates would increase by 3 percentage points for each of the 25 percent, 28 percent and 33 percent brackets. At present, the 25 percent bracket begins at $31,850 for individuals and $63,700 for married couples. The 35 percent bracket on incomes over $349,700 would jump to 39.6 percent.” (Andrew Taylor, “Presidential Hopefuls To Vote On Budget,” The Associated Press, 3/13/08)

NOTE: Obama’s vote for the Democrats’ Budget is at odds with his rhetoric on the campaign trail, where he claims he’ll provide tax relief for working Americans. Obama: “I’ll give a tax cut to working people …” (Sen. Barack Obama, Remarks At A Campaign Rally, Denver, CO, 1/30/08)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OBAMA HAS REPEATEDLY VOTED FOR HIGHER TAXES IN THE U.S. SENATE:</p>
<p>It’s no surprise that Obama would raise taxes as President, because he’s repeatedly voted for higher taxes in the Senate:</p>
<p>Obama Voted At Least 94 Times For Higher Taxes In The U.S. Senate. (RNC Research)</p>
<p>*To date, Obama has voted for a tax increase approximately once EVERY FIVE DAYS Congress Has Been In Session. (RNC Research; The Library Of Congress Website, <a href="http://thomas.loc.gov" title="http://thomas.loc.gov" class="autohyperlink" target="_blank">thomas.loc.gov&#8230;</a>, Accessed 6/8/08) –emphasis mine–</p>
<p>Obama Voted At Least 12 Times For Higher Income Taxes. (RNC Research)</p>
<p>Obama Voted Against Marriage Penalty Relief At Least Twice. (RNC Research)</p>
<p>Obama Voted Against Extending The Expanded Child Tax Credit. (RNC Research)</p>
<p>Obama Voted At Least 3 Times Against Repealing The 1993 Income Tax Increase On Social Security Benefits. (RNC Research)</p>
<p>Obama Has Voted At Least 5 Times Against Providing Relief From The Alternative Minimum Tax. (RNC Research)</p>
<p>Obama Has Voted At Least 7 Times Against Tax Incentives Benefiting Small Business. (RNC Research)</p>
<p>Obama Voted Against Capital Gains Tax Cuts At Least 9 Times. (RNC Research)</p>
<p>Obama Voted Against Tax Cuts On Dividend Income At Least 9 Times. (RNC Research)</p>
<p>Obama Voted In Favor Of The Democrats’ FY 2009 Budget, Which Would Raise Tax Rates For Americans Earning As Little As $31,850:</p>
<p>Obama Voted Twice In Favor Of The Democrats’ FY 2009 Budget Resolution. (S. Con. Res. 70, CQ Vote #85, Adopted 51-44: R 2-43; D 47-1; I 2-0, 3/14/08, Obama Voted Yea; S. Con. Res. 70, CQ Vote #142: Adopted 48- 45: R 2- 44; D 44- 1; I 2-0, 6/4/08, Obama Voted Yea)</p>
<p>“Under both Democratic plans, tax rates would increase by 3 percentage points for each of the 25 percent, 28 percent and 33 percent brackets. At present, the 25 percent bracket begins at $31,850 for individuals and $63,700 for married couples. The 35 percent bracket on incomes over $349,700 would jump to 39.6 percent.” (Andrew Taylor, “Presidential Hopefuls To Vote On Budget,” The Associated Press, 3/13/08)</p>
<p>NOTE: Obama’s vote for the Democrats’ Budget is at odds with his rhetoric on the campaign trail, where he claims he’ll provide tax relief for working Americans. Obama: “I’ll give a tax cut to working people …” (Sen. Barack Obama, Remarks At A Campaign Rally, Denver, CO, 1/30/08)</p>
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		<title>By: Aye Chihuahua</title>
		<link>http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/06/17/new-york-times-obama-is-a-girlie-man/#comment-86764</link>
		<dc:creator>Aye Chihuahua</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 15:21:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your trip down memory lane regarding FDR, while touching, is misdirected don&#039;t you think?

I haven&#039;t said anything regarding Obie&#039;s manliness, or lack thereof.

Perhaps you should send in a letter to the NYT.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your trip down memory lane regarding FDR, while touching, is misdirected don&#8217;t you think?</p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t said anything regarding Obie&#8217;s manliness, or lack thereof.</p>
<p>Perhaps you should send in a letter to the NYT.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Noble</title>
		<link>http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/06/17/new-york-times-obama-is-a-girlie-man/#comment-86751</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Noble</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 14:58:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn&#039;t need to go to your thread, Aye Chi, I heard it on the MSM.

I put my trust in the military justice system.  I await the decision on SSgt Wuterich.

BTW, do you know what they called FDR in prep school?  &quot;Rosie Roosevelt the Lily of the Valley.&quot;
His distant cousin, Alice Roosevelt, called him &quot;Miss Nancy.&quot;

Be well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t need to go to your thread, Aye Chi, I heard it on the MSM.</p>
<p>I put my trust in the military justice system.  I await the decision on SSgt Wuterich.</p>
<p>BTW, do you know what they called FDR in prep school?  &#8220;Rosie Roosevelt the Lily of the Valley.&#8221;<br />
His distant cousin, Alice Roosevelt, called him &#8220;Miss Nancy.&#8221;</p>
<p>Be well.</p>
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		<title>By: Aye Chihuahua</title>
		<link>http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/06/17/new-york-times-obama-is-a-girlie-man/#comment-86738</link>
		<dc:creator>Aye Chihuahua</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 12:56:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re so dignified Dave Noble.

I&#039;m glad you&#039;re here with us.

By the way, why don&#039;t you go over to the Haditha thread and comment on the Marine whose charges were dismissed yesterday.

That makes what...seven of eight now?

Guess it may be still too early to think that they are all innocent though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re so dignified Dave Noble.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m glad you&#8217;re here with us.</p>
<p>By the way, why don&#8217;t you go over to the Haditha thread and comment on the Marine whose charges were dismissed yesterday.</p>
<p>That makes what&#8230;seven of eight now?</p>
<p>Guess it may be still too early to think that they are all innocent though.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Noble</title>
		<link>http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/06/17/new-york-times-obama-is-a-girlie-man/#comment-86715</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Noble</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 11:31:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whoopee!! We&#039;re back in third grade.  Have fun kids, I am going to sit at the grown up table, before I start hearing about &quot;four eyes&quot; and &quot;fattie, fattie, two by four&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whoopee!! We&#8217;re back in third grade.  Have fun kids, I am going to sit at the grown up table, before I start hearing about &#8220;four eyes&#8221; and &#8220;fattie, fattie, two by four&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: SoCal Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>SoCal Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 07:23:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love the Post Turtle story...so apropos!!

All I can say about Obama&#039;s sexual orientation is...I can&#039;t say because I don&#039;t know what it is.  Hmmm...shouldn&#039;t that by now be something I definitely know regarding the Democratic front-runner for POTUS?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love the Post Turtle story&#8230;so apropos!!</p>
<p>All I can say about Obama&#8217;s sexual orientation is&#8230;I can&#8217;t say because I don&#8217;t know what it is.  Hmmm&#8230;shouldn&#8217;t that by now be something I definitely know regarding the Democratic front-runner for POTUS?</p>
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		<title>By: jainphx</title>
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		<dc:creator>jainphx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 04:56:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If ideas and agendas were what counted in masculinity or femininity, then yes Oshammessiah is not only girlie, he&#039;s a woss, and thats a fact Jack, or in his case Jane.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If ideas and agendas were what counted in masculinity or femininity, then yes Oshammessiah is not only girlie, he&#8217;s a woss, and thats a fact Jack, or in his case Jane.</p>
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		<title>By: stix1972</title>
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		<dc:creator>stix1972</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 02:02:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes someone sent me that joke a week pr so ago.   It is pretty good.   My dad does send me some good ones</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes someone sent me that joke a week pr so ago.   It is pretty good.   My dad does send me some good ones</p>
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		<title>By: luva the scissors</title>
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		<dc:creator>luva the scissors</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 01:39:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ah hell faester, that is funny.  i about lost my peanuts.  love the post turtle story also.  makes you laugh, he is a post turtle.  its funny when women are even likening him to a female, could be he is michelle&#039;s %itch?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ah hell faester, that is funny.  i about lost my peanuts.  love the post turtle story also.  makes you laugh, he is a post turtle.  its funny when women are even likening him to a female, could be he is michelle&#8217;s %itch?</p>
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