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	<title>Comments on: Senators Remove Their Own Statements From Report on Pre-War Iraq Intelligence</title>
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		<title>By: ChrisG</title>
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		<dc:creator>ChrisG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 19:31:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NEWPUPPYDIXIE

I do not believe that is a Chicago political machine or Vermont elitist accent.  But keep trying.</description>
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<p>I do not believe that is a Chicago political machine or Vermont elitist accent.  But keep trying.</p>
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		<title>By: NEWPUPPYDIXIE</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 15:03:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm afraid it's the "he who" part everyone has wrong. Given the characters involved, it should be "he haw!"  See if that doesn't make everything fit just a little better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m afraid it&#8217;s the &#8220;he who&#8221; part everyone has wrong. Given the characters involved, it should be &#8220;he haw!&#8221;  See if that doesn&#8217;t make everything fit just a little better.</p>
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		<title>By: Kucinich Presents Bush Impeachment Resolution - Trackpads Community</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kucinich Presents Bush Impeachment Resolution - Trackpads Community</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 02:01:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Iraq Intelligence Report, and they were found twisting, shoddy, deceptive intelligence information. Flopping Aces </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Iraq Intelligence Report, and they were found twisting, shoddy, deceptive intelligence information. Flopping Aces</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Malensek</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott Malensek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 00:20:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought it was he who controls the spice, controls...</description>
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		<title>By: bill-tb</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 00:11:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“He who controls the present, controls the past. He who controls the past, controls the future.” -- George Orwell</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“He who controls the present, controls the past. He who controls the past, controls the future.” &#8212; George Orwell</p>
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		<title>By: Media Mythbusters Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Media Bias Roundup - 06/11/08</title>
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		<dc:creator>Media Mythbusters Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Media Bias Roundup - 06/11/08</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 21:16:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Flopping Aces - Senators Remove Their Own Statements From Report on Pre-War Iraq Intelligence [...]</description>
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		<title>By: ChrisG</title>
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		<dc:creator>ChrisG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 18:40:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So then the "Libertarian Dem", by pure definition a contradiction, could also be coined "Neoleft" in a "newspeak" sort of way as "Neocon" was.  Well, Stormfront and Black Bloq do march with the "anti-war" protesters and the WWP, so it could happen... Politics and power do make strange bedfellows.  It could also be as you indicated, something entirely new and looking at the article on Wiki, I have to wonder how historical figures they mentioned fit into modern parties.  I have to wonder if this party is a morph of the "Libertarian-Green" movement or others.  

There is a growing rift in the Democrat Party as seen by the Hillary supporter's clash with Obama's supporters.  It may cause the Democrat Party to move even farther left (Obama wins) or more centrist-left (Hillary wins).  The Republican Party's move left alienated its base and conservatives, yet the RNC could care it seems.  I wonder how the DNC will reguard its Move-on/ANSWER/ACT/ACORN/WWP/ACP base?  Looking at Howard Deans actions, I would say the DNC either will string their base along and expect them to vote out of "2 Minutes Hate" inspired BDS or loyalty while Democrat leaders do exactly what the 2006 Dem Congress did: nothing; OR they really will push for a hard socialism (INSOC or Lenin style) implementation on the US populance.

I do agree about the "destroy the language" aspect, which is why "political correctness" appauled me when I witnessed its formation.  Outlaw words and one outlaws concepts.  Outlaw concepts and one outlaws thoughts.  Change words and concepts and the old concepts/root meaning of the words and ideas dissapear.  What was accepted in the 1990s as truth becomes forgotten when a "conservative" (in quotes as President Bush and the current RNC are more moderate, not conservatives) takes charge.  Ideas of personal rights AND responsibilites change, or go away.

I fully expect that an Obama administration, backed by the media, and with or without a supermajority in Congress, flip history again.  The last 8 years would be nothing but failure, but the week after the innaguration, and all news would be positive.  Flowers would bloom, terrorists would stop attacking us, the socialists in Europe would love the USA, only good news would be allowed out of Iraq and any bad news would now have a positive spin, false reports by the media (like fake IEDs, fake 'civilians' supposedly killed by Coalition forces, etc) would go away unless they served as a "snowball" target.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So then the &#8220;Libertarian Dem&#8221;, by pure definition a contradiction, could also be coined &#8220;Neoleft&#8221; in a &#8220;newspeak&#8221; sort of way as &#8220;Neocon&#8221; was.  Well, Stormfront and Black Bloq do march with the &#8220;anti-war&#8221; protesters and the WWP, so it could happen&#8230; Politics and power do make strange bedfellows.  It could also be as you indicated, something entirely new and looking at the article on Wiki, I have to wonder how historical figures they mentioned fit into modern parties.  I have to wonder if this party is a morph of the &#8220;Libertarian-Green&#8221; movement or others.  </p>
<p>There is a growing rift in the Democrat Party as seen by the Hillary supporter&#8217;s clash with Obama&#8217;s supporters.  It may cause the Democrat Party to move even farther left (Obama wins) or more centrist-left (Hillary wins).  The Republican Party&#8217;s move left alienated its base and conservatives, yet the RNC could care it seems.  I wonder how the DNC will reguard its Move-on/ANSWER/ACT/ACORN/WWP/ACP base?  Looking at Howard Deans actions, I would say the DNC either will string their base along and expect them to vote out of &#8220;2 Minutes Hate&#8221; inspired BDS or loyalty while Democrat leaders do exactly what the 2006 Dem Congress did: nothing; OR they really will push for a hard socialism (INSOC or Lenin style) implementation on the US populance.</p>
<p>I do agree about the &#8220;destroy the language&#8221; aspect, which is why &#8220;political correctness&#8221; appauled me when I witnessed its formation.  Outlaw words and one outlaws concepts.  Outlaw concepts and one outlaws thoughts.  Change words and concepts and the old concepts/root meaning of the words and ideas dissapear.  What was accepted in the 1990s as truth becomes forgotten when a &#8220;conservative&#8221; (in quotes as President Bush and the current RNC are more moderate, not conservatives) takes charge.  Ideas of personal rights AND responsibilites change, or go away.</p>
<p>I fully expect that an Obama administration, backed by the media, and with or without a supermajority in Congress, flip history again.  The last 8 years would be nothing but failure, but the week after the innaguration, and all news would be positive.  Flowers would bloom, terrorists would stop attacking us, the socialists in Europe would love the USA, only good news would be allowed out of Iraq and any bad news would now have a positive spin, false reports by the media (like fake IEDs, fake &#8216;civilians&#8217; supposedly killed by Coalition forces, etc) would go away unless they served as a &#8220;snowball&#8221; target.</p>
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		<title>By: thebronze</title>
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		<dc:creator>thebronze</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 17:50:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#6 didn't make any sense, either...

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		<title>By: deepfiresides</title>
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		<dc:creator>deepfiresides</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 17:16:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm seeing the texting as death of language therefore ability to reason which was goal of Ingsoc
Destroy the language and you have no words to...reason with?  I'm thinking given what Libertarian Dem looks like in wikipedia is totalitarian or fascism?  This would be the New Left?  I have no idea who they are?  They aren't Democrats as I know them or ever have known them.  The split in the party of late is evidence of that deep rift to me.  Dem values are like McCain maybe.  It is only young dems going for that  marketing schema -- they are face/book gen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m seeing the texting as death of language therefore ability to reason which was goal of Ingsoc<br />
Destroy the language and you have no words to&#8230;reason with?  I&#8217;m thinking given what Libertarian Dem looks like in wikipedia is totalitarian or fascism?  This would be the New Left?  I have no idea who they are?  They aren&#8217;t Democrats as I know them or ever have known them.  The split in the party of late is evidence of that deep rift to me.  Dem values are like McCain maybe.  It is only young dems going for that  marketing schema &#8212; they are face/book gen.</p>
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		<title>By: ChrisG</title>
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		<dc:creator>ChrisG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 17:04:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Projecting 1984 as what the right wants?  Did I read that correctly?  "little red book to the right" seems to indicate that.  If so, I would dissagree.  "Animal Farm" was how the left gains power, "1984" showed how they kept power.  These books had a lot to due with Orwell's disillusionment (i.e. reality knocked) with communism and its sister, Fascism.  Nothing Conservative exists in 1984 except the fact "Big brother" actively destroyed all conservative ideals in the book.

After President Bush leaves office, who will be lthe left's new "Snowball" or "Goldberg"?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Projecting 1984 as what the right wants?  Did I read that correctly?  &#8220;little red book to the right&#8221; seems to indicate that.  If so, I would dissagree.  &#8220;Animal Farm&#8221; was how the left gains power, &#8220;1984&#8243; showed how they kept power.  These books had a lot to due with Orwell&#8217;s disillusionment (i.e. reality knocked) with communism and its sister, Fascism.  Nothing Conservative exists in 1984 except the fact &#8220;Big brother&#8221; actively destroyed all conservative ideals in the book.</p>
<p>After President Bush leaves office, who will be lthe left&#8217;s new &#8220;Snowball&#8221; or &#8220;Goldberg&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: Aye Chihuahua</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aye Chihuahua</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 16:58:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is it just me, or did post #3 make absolutely no sense?</description>
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		<title>By: deepfiresides</title>
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		<dc:creator>deepfiresides</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 16:52:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So Cal Jim -- I think we are seeing that little red book to the right come to life in our lifetimes doubleplusungood,  doubleplusnewspeak, doubleplus? Could texting be newspeak? no more metaphor=no more?  anyway wiki has Libertarian Democrat now -- never heard of that but I think we are seeing it -- could it be that others liked Orwell's world -- Huxley Brave New World or Lord of the Flies rather than interpreting as we did?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So Cal Jim &#8212; I think we are seeing that little red book to the right come to life in our lifetimes doubleplusungood,  doubleplusnewspeak, doubleplus? Could texting be newspeak? no more metaphor=no more?  anyway wiki has Libertarian Democrat now &#8212; never heard of that but I think we are seeing it &#8212; could it be that others liked Orwell&#8217;s world &#8212; Huxley Brave New World or Lord of the Flies rather than interpreting as we did?</p>
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		<title>By: So Cal Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>So Cal Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 15:53:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I was in high school, Orwell’s “1984” was required reading.  At the time, I could not believe that any sane adult could possibly believe a governmental pronouncement one minute and then just as fervently believe an opposite pronouncement the very next minute, as if the inconsistency never existed.  Sadly, I’ve come to see that I was terribly naïve in my youth.  The fact that the majority political party in America today is successfully emulating Big Brother is frightening.  The Democrat Party has sold its soul to the Left and like ALL leftist parties; it considers itself transcendent to all.  Thus, it cannot admit to fallibility.  Instead, the Party rewrites history confident that their media hacks and the larger population will never expend the mental or moral energy to recall and insist upon the truth.

What is most disturbing of all, however, is that conservative politicians are almost universally too cowardly to stand up to Democrat Party lies, distortions of history, hypocrisy and corruption.  And conservative voters seem disinclined to insist that they do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I was in high school, Orwell’s “1984” was required reading.  At the time, I could not believe that any sane adult could possibly believe a governmental pronouncement one minute and then just as fervently believe an opposite pronouncement the very next minute, as if the inconsistency never existed.  Sadly, I’ve come to see that I was terribly naïve in my youth.  The fact that the majority political party in America today is successfully emulating Big Brother is frightening.  The Democrat Party has sold its soul to the Left and like ALL leftist parties; it considers itself transcendent to all.  Thus, it cannot admit to fallibility.  Instead, the Party rewrites history confident that their media hacks and the larger population will never expend the mental or moral energy to recall and insist upon the truth.</p>
<p>What is most disturbing of all, however, is that conservative politicians are almost universally too cowardly to stand up to Democrat Party lies, distortions of history, hypocrisy and corruption.  And conservative voters seem disinclined to insist that they do.</p>
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		<title>By: Wordsmith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wordsmith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 14:02:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;No one ever listened to them as much as they did the five speeches from President Bush.  After all, he is easily the most eloquent, charismatic, believable, and convincing speaker of all. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

I smell sarcasm.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>No one ever listened to them as much as they did the five speeches from President Bush.  After all, he is easily the most eloquent, charismatic, believable, and convincing speaker of all. </p></blockquote>
<p>I smell sarcasm.</p>
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