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		<title>By: Flopping Aces » Blog Archive &#187; New Year&#8217;s Best/Worst/Predictions from FA Authors!</title>
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		<dc:creator>Flopping Aces » Blog Archive &#187; New Year&#8217;s Best/Worst/Predictions from FA Authors!</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: Flopping Aces » Blog Archive &#187; Media Awash in Reports That Pres Bush did NOT Lie About Threat From Saddam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Flopping Aces » Blog Archive &#187; Media Awash in Reports That Pres Bush did NOT Lie About Threat From Saddam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 12:56:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Tony</title>
		<link>http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/06/11/key-points-senate-select-committee-on-intelligence-phase-ii-investigation-report-on-pre-war-intelligence-regarding-saddams-iraq/#comment-86170</link>
		<dc:creator>Tony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 21:05:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LA Times editorial on June 16th, by James Kirchick  - http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/opinion/la-oe-kirchick16-2008jun16,0,7766785.story

From the editorial: &quot;In 2004, the Senate Intelligence Committee unanimously approved a report acknowledging that it &quot;did not find any evidence that administration officials attempted to coerce, influence or pressure analysts to change their judgments.&quot; The following year, the bipartisan Robb-Silberman report similarly found &quot;no indication that the intelligence community distorted the evidence regarding Iraq&#039;s weapons of mass destruction.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LA Times editorial on June 16th, by James Kirchick  &#8211; <a href="http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/opinion/la-oe-kirchick16-2008jun16,0,7766785.story" rel="nofollow">http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/opinion/la-oe-kirchick16-2008jun16,0,7766785.story</a></p>
<p>From the editorial: &#8220;In 2004, the Senate Intelligence Committee unanimously approved a report acknowledging that it &#8220;did not find any evidence that administration officials attempted to coerce, influence or pressure analysts to change their judgments.&#8221; The following year, the bipartisan Robb-Silberman report similarly found &#8220;no indication that the intelligence community distorted the evidence regarding Iraq&#8217;s weapons of mass destruction.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Malensek</title>
		<link>http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/06/11/key-points-senate-select-committee-on-intelligence-phase-ii-investigation-report-on-pre-war-intelligence-regarding-saddams-iraq/#comment-85048</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Malensek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 20:22:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Arthur demonstrates the state-as-fact-and-run practice of responding to an article and a report which he obviously never even read.  My daughter is six years old, and has better reading comprehension.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Arthur demonstrates the state-as-fact-and-run practice of responding to an article and a report which he obviously never even read.  My daughter is six years old, and has better reading comprehension.</p>
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		<title>By: Wordsmith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wordsmith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 17:58:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;There was not an imminent threat from an Iraq armed with WMDs in 2003. &lt;/blockquote&gt;The argument was that we had to act &lt;i&gt;before&lt;/i&gt; the threat became imminent.  And we did just that, as postwar findings only validate that as flawed as our intell was, Saddam had the intent and capabilities of reconstituting his weapons programs within 3-5 weeks of sanctions being lifted.

You also seem confused on the point of contention, here. 

&lt;blockquote&gt;There were, in fact, no WMDs at all.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Not entirely true.

&lt;blockquote&gt; And there was no relationship with al-Qaeda.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Not entirely true.  In fact, you&#039;re flatout wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>There was not an imminent threat from an Iraq armed with WMDs in 2003. </p></blockquote>
<p>The argument was that we had to act <i>before</i> the threat became imminent.  And we did just that, as postwar findings only validate that as flawed as our intell was, Saddam had the intent and capabilities of reconstituting his weapons programs within 3-5 weeks of sanctions being lifted.</p>
<p>You also seem confused on the point of contention, here. </p>
<blockquote><p>There were, in fact, no WMDs at all.</p></blockquote>
<p>Not entirely true.</p>
<blockquote><p> And there was no relationship with al-Qaeda.</p></blockquote>
<p>Not entirely true.  In fact, you&#8217;re flatout wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: Arthurstone</title>
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		<dc:creator>Arthurstone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 17:50:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ha. ha. ha.

The bias you mention is illustrated in spades by the &#039;amendments&#039; and the &#039;comments&#039;. Partisan hackery beyond belief.

Far from &#039;150 examples&#039; of &#039;Democrats misleading the American people&#039; these &#039;amendments&#039; underscore the basic facts over and again.

There was not an imminent threat from an Iraq armed with WMDs in 2003. There were, in fact, no WMDs at all. And there was no relationship with al-Qaeda.

And, most important, the Administration knew all of this.

Cheers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ha. ha. ha.</p>
<p>The bias you mention is illustrated in spades by the &#8216;amendments&#8217; and the &#8216;comments&#8217;. Partisan hackery beyond belief.</p>
<p>Far from &#8216;150 examples&#8217; of &#8216;Democrats misleading the American people&#8217; these &#8216;amendments&#8217; underscore the basic facts over and again.</p>
<p>There was not an imminent threat from an Iraq armed with WMDs in 2003. There were, in fact, no WMDs at all. And there was no relationship with al-Qaeda.</p>
<p>And, most important, the Administration knew all of this.</p>
<p>Cheers.</p>
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		<title>By: Tony</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 22:01:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Scott - great work, I was starting to put the same things together, but got bogged down by the fact that the report was scanned in, and I only have had the time to re-type about 3 pages, and match them with the amendments.

The new IRAQ strategy is working, even the CIA has admitted that al-Qaida has been crippled in IRAQ. In May of 2008, a group of researchers from Harvard authored a report &quot;Is There an “Emboldenment” Effect? - Evidence from the Insurgency in Iraq&quot; which shows that negative media coverage — and adverse commentary by U.S. political leaders — produce a statistically measurable increase in enemy activity.  This negative coverage and commentary has become the mainstay in our education system, fostering the myth that America is bad, and creating a supportive environment for anti-war politicians running for office.  The sad part of all of this, is that most of this coverage, like Senate report here contains mis-truths and lies that are worse than anything President Bush has been accused of.

I&#039;m declaring July public action for victory month.  We know we can&#039;t change the folks with BDS, or the liberal media, and education system.  We have to start taking individual action.  We need to not fear telling people that we are proud of President Bush, he and our allies made decisions based on the best information available at the time.  If he hadn&#039;t acted, we know from many post-war documents that Saddam would have re-started his WMD programs once the UN sanctions were lifted, and we know that the oil for food program was lining the pockets of countries and individuals that would help to get those sanctions lifted.  What would have happened if this happened, and a WMD was used against some target here in the United States?   We can expect that the Senate would be holding impeachment hearings because President Bush didn&#039;t act on the intelligence he had available to him.

Stand up and be proud, don&#039;t nod your head when someone complains about the war, tell them what you feel, and ask them what they are doing to help end it, because a supportive public will crush those pushing false propaganda.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scott &#8211; great work, I was starting to put the same things together, but got bogged down by the fact that the report was scanned in, and I only have had the time to re-type about 3 pages, and match them with the amendments.</p>
<p>The new IRAQ strategy is working, even the CIA has admitted that al-Qaida has been crippled in IRAQ. In May of 2008, a group of researchers from Harvard authored a report &#8220;Is There an “Emboldenment” Effect? &#8211; Evidence from the Insurgency in Iraq&#8221; which shows that negative media coverage — and adverse commentary by U.S. political leaders — produce a statistically measurable increase in enemy activity.  This negative coverage and commentary has become the mainstay in our education system, fostering the myth that America is bad, and creating a supportive environment for anti-war politicians running for office.  The sad part of all of this, is that most of this coverage, like Senate report here contains mis-truths and lies that are worse than anything President Bush has been accused of.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m declaring July public action for victory month.  We know we can&#8217;t change the folks with BDS, or the liberal media, and education system.  We have to start taking individual action.  We need to not fear telling people that we are proud of President Bush, he and our allies made decisions based on the best information available at the time.  If he hadn&#8217;t acted, we know from many post-war documents that Saddam would have re-started his WMD programs once the UN sanctions were lifted, and we know that the oil for food program was lining the pockets of countries and individuals that would help to get those sanctions lifted.  What would have happened if this happened, and a WMD was used against some target here in the United States?   We can expect that the Senate would be holding impeachment hearings because President Bush didn&#8217;t act on the intelligence he had available to him.</p>
<p>Stand up and be proud, don&#8217;t nod your head when someone complains about the war, tell them what you feel, and ask them what they are doing to help end it, because a supportive public will crush those pushing false propaganda.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Malensek</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott Malensek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 17:05:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks.  I know it&#039;s still a lot to read, but when I put it together and started to see the direct contrast and clear propaganda that was being presented as defacto conclusions...well, this was the only way to show it.  There&#039;s TONS more too, but this was-believe it or not-the shortest way of presenting it.  I did try a scorecard listing the number of times there were date errors, false accusations, misattributed quotes, misquotes, etc., but it got too nuanced to understand without seeing it as presented above.  

That report is just incredible</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks.  I know it&#8217;s still a lot to read, but when I put it together and started to see the direct contrast and clear propaganda that was being presented as defacto conclusions&#8230;well, this was the only way to show it.  There&#8217;s TONS more too, but this was-believe it or not-the shortest way of presenting it.  I did try a scorecard listing the number of times there were date errors, false accusations, misattributed quotes, misquotes, etc., but it got too nuanced to understand without seeing it as presented above.  </p>
<p>That report is just incredible</p>
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		<title>By: Wordsmith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wordsmith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 17:01:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Outstanding work, Scott.</description>
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