Comments on: Election 2008: Americans v. Anti-Americans [Reader Post]

By: Mike's America

Mike's America — Wed, 11 Jun 2008 04:21:33 +0000

Republicans will be punished for high gas prices only if the voters have been totally tuned out to the efforts Democrats have taken to drive the price up these past two years.

The only way we will suffer at the polls for the failure of Democrats to permit ANY new supplies of energy from reaching America’s consumers is if we are dumb enough to stay silent on the issue.

“Democrats have a plan to lower gas prices…join Democrats who are working to lower gas prices now.” – Then-Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-CA), Press Release, April 19, 2006

By: luva the scissors

luva the scissors — Wed, 11 Jun 2008 03:20:56 +0000

when you have as many people who are hillary supporters screaming about the hatred of the democratic party you know its bad. we see alot of people at my work, they talk politics, very strong opinions all around, but the most ardent are the hillary supporters. they feel she got the shaft, which she did by her own party. we all love to hate hillary, but it was sort of sad to watch. there are alot of people who can’t stand obama but are not happy to vote mccain, that lets the door open for ron paul. i really don’t know where he stands on anything but he could throw a wrench into things. the thing that got me was a good friend who voted kerry last time, and is a die hard dem says she couldn’t stand anyone the dems had except for edwards. the democratic party is swirling and turning and they are making a mess of the presidentail race.

By: ChrisG

ChrisG — Wed, 11 Jun 2008 03:14:57 +0000

Yes John… You finally said something correct. If gas hits $5/gallon, the present admin will take the blame even though it was the Dems who voted against any and all logical measures to drop it. Too many also forget that people like Gore demanded gas be taxed to that same price and the left thought that was a good thing. Maybe it was the “tax” thing.

However, looking at the pro-Hillary sites above, I would contend that your “Obama is trending up” is incorrect. I would also contend that the animosity (and outright hatred) the “Obamazoids” (as a LEFTIST groups call Obama’s version of Paulbots) display to anyone who opposes them will continue to alienate moderate Dem voters. As I said above, it is interesting to see the Dems react in shock when the same idiotic attacks they hurl at conservatives are used on them.

By: john Ryan

john Ryan — Wed, 11 Jun 2008 02:18:52 +0000

Did anyone expect the Democrats to carry that state whether it was Obama or Clinton ?
When polls are cited besides the results trends should be noted. Obama is trending up, McCain is trending down.
In 2004 Ohio was the key, 60,000 votes could have swung it. I believe that the referendum on Ohio’s ballot concerning gay marriage convinced at least 60,000 people to vote for Bush. When/if gas hits 5 dollars per gallon the present occupant of the White House and his party will take the blame.

By: Gregory Dittman

Gregory Dittman — Wed, 11 Jun 2008 00:44:05 +0000

Obviously these are polls things are close in the electorial college votes, but I’m guessing it will boil down to Ohio. Ohio was really split last time with Bush winning Ohio by just under 119,000 votes out of just under 5,600,000 votes. That’s barely a 2.1% difference. The close states (under 5%) then were Wisconsin, Iowa, New Mexico, New Hampshire, Ohio, Pennsylvania
Nevada, Michigan, Minnesota, Oregon and Colorado. Most of the ad money went to 15 states with the majority of money centered around the great Lakes and Florida. I imagine the same thing will happen as the other states are either strong Republican or strong Democratic.

By: When Will McCain Start Campaigning? | The Hinge Of Fate

When Will McCain Start Campaigning? | The Hinge Of Fate — Tue, 10 Jun 2008 22:24:49 +0000

[...] Flopping Aces has a great post about the divisions within the Democratic party: Many Hillary Democrats seem to be taking a serious, principled stand in opposing Obama. It is not that they like McCain. They just think Obama would be very bad for America. After 8 years of George W. Bush, you would think party loyalty would prevail at all costs. But you would be wrong. [...]

By: ChrisG

ChrisG — Tue, 10 Jun 2008 21:21:39 +0000

Greg,

On the left-winged pro-Hillary sites, the comment sections are citing polls where McCain beat Obama by about 8 points.

RCP Average 03/15 – 05/20 — 48.3 40.0 McCain +8.3
Quinnipiac 05/13 – 05/20 1419 RV 45 41 McCain +4.0
Rasmussen 05/19 – 05/19 500 LV 50 40 McCain +10.0
PPP (D) 03/15 – 03/16 618 LV 50 39 McCain +11.0

Link: http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/06/10/thread-2-barack-obama-condones-coordinated-internet-harassment-by-his-thugs/#more-3031

It is down in the comments section. It is interesting to see the open hostility the pro-Hillary people are facing from the pro-Obama people. Wide rift there as the pro-Hillary people seem to have more in common with McCain.

By: Gregory Dittman

Gregory Dittman — Tue, 10 Jun 2008 20:43:26 +0000

realclearpolitics.com… lists the electorial college leaning of Obama 272 and McCain 266 but 120 are actually toss ups (mostly favoring McCain). I can see why McCain wanted 10 town hall meetings. That’s about how many toss up states there are. The big difference here is Obama is listed as having support in Ohio and Bush won Ohio. If everything stayed the same and McCain won Ohio, then McCain would win the election.

By: ChrisG

ChrisG — Tue, 10 Jun 2008 17:35:23 +0000

It is fascinating to see the left react to their own tactics being used against them, by other leftists. All of the sudden, they start sounding, well… not like leftists. It is as if they suddenly awoke and realized that they are just as much of a target as conservatives are. They also do not like these tactics being used against them it seems.

To that I say Join the club.

They still do not quite get it and project some onto the right. Pan Metron’s blog (the 2nd Ammendment quote) suddenly realized “blaming “rich white peoople” for all social injustice” is wrong.

Even more so:

But even before this fiasco, we saw the surrogates of this same Presidential candidate take to the cable news shows in a racial witch-hunt to spin wonkish statements by a rival as cloaked racism. We have seen a similar red-scare culture emerge in the media and blogosphere which flings out a charge of racism whenever convenient to shut down critical discussion of issues and credentials.

Did not others mention that this was happening? Any question of Obama is racist to these “surrogates” and this surprises the writer.

Then we have the programmed projectionism:

We have seen a candidate pick up divisive right-wing advertising tactics almost verbatim in combatting his Democratic opponent’s universal health care initiative.

Well… Cannot expect them to fully wake up and question their leaders and tactics used by both parties, but there is hope. Now, getting rid of the Supreme Soviet style “super-delegates” would help and more and more on the left are waking up to the nightmare of this process.

In closing, I do have to ask where this defense of civilian gun ownership and traditional values suddenly came from. Is there a “silent majority” in the Democrat Party who will just not vote Republican because of the pre-programmed hatred of the “R”? Maybe. Of course, it would be differrent if the Republicans were not “Democrat Lite” and really were conservative. In the end though, being faced with the prospect of either a “moderate ‘maverick’ Republican” or a dyed in the wool marxist seems to have many on the right and left asking similar questions.

In the end though, Hillary voters may just not vote for President as conservatives just did not vote in 2006 for congress (congressional sections left blank but the rest filled out).

By: JustADude

JustADude — Tue, 10 Jun 2008 17:15:17 +0000

He seems to believe that he simply doesn’t need them.

He got through the primaries mainly on activists (read college kids and unions) at caucus states and then due to the way delegates were allocated by the Dem rules where they overloaded past loyal Dems congressional districts compared to others within a state it fell right into his base of Black/elite-egghead/college kid urban concentrations.

Even in states he lost to Hillary by wide margins he rounded up a number of delegates way beyond his vote proportion.

Since most of the Black voters and elite types are already registered, he is going to have to rely on a massive voter registration campaign for young college kids to carry the day for him.

But can he offset any loss due to loss of Dems within his own party?

If he is going to have to spend a lot of time just to get Dem voters back it will hurt his reach for the independents which are the group that essentially put McCain in the race.

This was not a sudden shock to the Hill voters in the slow bleed primary they had, so their conviction may be much stronger to oppose him than many would want to admit.

Hill has only suspended her campaign and I look for a high likelihood of back room deals and fire works at their Denver convention.