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Obama: Confused and Confusing

Posted by: Mike's America @ 10:05 am in Uncategorized

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Not a good quality in a President!

Whether you like President Bush or not, he always knows exactly what he wants and explains it all very directly. There is no mistaking his intentions.

You can’t say that about Obama and the saddest part is many Americans are only now discovering that fact. Throughout the long nominating process with it’s nearly endless debates and speeches there have been glimmers of a confused and confusing foreign policy focus in the Obama campaign. Just as the Democrat nominating process is about to close, the pieces of that scary puzzle are starting to come together.

By now, everyone remembers the question and the reply:
At A July 2007 Debate, Obama Announced He Would Personally Meet With Leaders Of Iran, North Korea, Syria And Other Hostile Nations “Without Precondition.” Question: “[W]ould you be willing to meet separately, without precondition, during the first year of your administration, in Washington or anywhere else, with the leaders of Iran, Syria, Venezuela, Cuba and North Korea, in order to bridge the gap that divides our countries?”… Obama: “I would. And the reason is this, that the notion that somehow not talking to countries is punishment to them — which has been the guiding diplomatic principle of this administration - is ridiculous.” video here (CNN/YouTube Democrat Presidential Candidate Debate, Charleston, SC, 7/23/07)

But the odd thing is that Obama keeps getting asked about that question and the answers keep changing. Is this the kind of “change” voters want?

Jake Tapper points out that In the latest round of confusing and tortured explanations for what Obama really meant, he told the Orlando Sentinel in Florida on May 22, that he would “initiate” talks with Venezuelan dictator Hugo Chavez and raise the issue of his support for FARC terrorists in Columbia.

Recently, the international police organization, INTERPOL, confirmed that the documents found on the computer of a FARC terrorist leader documenting the strong support of Hugo Chavez for FARC’s reign of murder, kidnapping and drug running in Colombia were authentic.

Speaking to the Cuban American National Foundation in Miami on May 23, Obama said:

“We will shine a light on any support for the FARC that comes from neighboring governments…This behavior must be exposed to international condemnation, regional isolation, and — if need be — strong sanctions. It must not stand.”

Just how are you going to isolate Venezuela while initiating meetings at the presidential level?

Jake Tapper asked that question of an Obama advisor and the response is odd to say the least:

“if we are going to isolate the Venezuelans, it may be that we have to engage in a full-on diplomatic strategy with them,” the adviser says. Obama was not saying he, himself, would propose such a meeting, nor that he would necessarily participate in that meeting. When Obama referred to “my talks with President Hugo Chavez,” he did not mean “my talks,” literally (necessarily) — he meant his administration’s talks — “though it could be him engaging in this diplomacy directly and personally,” the adviser says. The point is, all the tools need to be in the diplomacy kit — isolation, willingness to hold presidential meetings, and everything in between.

So now, the idea of initiating and personally meeting without preconditions has taken on a confused and twisted meaning in Obama land. Is this the right kind of change?

Obama’s Iran Policy Just As Confused

Multiple times in 2007 (last item here)and as late as May 4, 2008 Obama insisted he would meet with Iranian President Ahmadinejad.

But as Curt points out, all that changed a few weeks later when Obama advisor Susan Rice said: “Well, first of all, he said he’d meet with the appropriate Iranian leaders. He hasn’t named who that leader will be.”

Really?

But let’s take him at his word (the current word, not the previous ones) and say he would meet with Iran’s Supreme Leader Ali Khameni. Amir Taheri reminds us how Khameni views negotiations with the United States:

“You have nothing to say to us. We object. We do not agree to a relationship with you! We are not prepared to establish relations with powerful world devourers like you! The Iranian nation has no need of the United States, nor is the Iranian nation afraid of the United States. We . . . do not accept your behavior, your oppression and intervention in various parts of the world.”

Taheri also notes that “Last month, Tehran hosted an international conference titled ‘A World Without America.’”

And if any delusional do-gooder thinks that it’s just the current U.S. Administration that Iran objects to, Taheri points out that Iran has turned a deaf ear to approaches by U.S. Administrations representing both political parties going back nearly 30 years. And no other European or Middle Eastern government has had any luck negotiating a range of critical issues with Iran.

So just what would Obama negotiate? It’s clear that the meeting would be a tremendous flop with predictable negative results for the U.S. around the world.

As a further reminder of how dangerous a confused and confusing foreign policy outlook can be, David Reinhard, writing in the Oregonian had this to say:

In trying to talk his way out of his position, Obama’s only made matters worse for himself. It began last week when he cited John F. Kennedy’s sit-down with Nikita Khrushchev as a precedent: “When Kennedy met with Khrushchev,” he said, “we were on the brink of nuclear war.”

Uh, no, Senator, the brink of nuclear war came in the Cuban missile crisis more than a year later. In fact, Kennedy’s weak performance in Vienna prompted the Soviet decision to put missiles in Cuba, which brought us to the brink of nuclear war.

In Portland on Sunday, Obama said Iran, Cuba and Venezuela “don’t pose a serious threat to us” since they spend but one-one-hundredth of what we spend on our military. They’re not like the Soviets. “If Iran ever tried to pose a serious threat to us,” he said, “they wouldn’t stand a chance.”

Never mind that the threat posed by terror-sponsoring nations like Iran or terrorist groups isn’t their conventional military strength, but their ability and inclination to use unconventional weapons against stronger nations in this age of asymmetrical warfare. The next day in Montana, Obama said Iran posed “a grave threat.” Grave? Not serious? Whatever.

It may not matter much to the Obamatons that their candidate spins faster than a Maytag washer stuck on the spin cycle. But when it comes to actually governing, as opposed to campaigning, a clearly expressed policy is the first key to advancing towards objectives. Obama continues to express a desire to bring “change” to foreign policy and national security issues. But consider this: that may not be change for the better. In fact it could be much, MUCH worse.



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23 comments so far

Fit fit
 1Reply to this comment  

Local pundit Jack Hunter a renews my faith that at least some conservatives can think for themselves.

May 29th, 2008 at 10:39 am
 2Reply to this comment  

Jack Hunter is a “conservative?” On what planet.

Writing in an alternative newspaper should have been your first clue that the guys been hitting the bong too much.

This should have been your second clue:

“America’s health and security depends on getting troops out of the Middle East as soon as possible.”

Only a Paulbot would say something so incredibly stupid. And Paulbots are NOT conservative, no matter how many times they say they are.

Try sticking to the topic at hand here Fit. If you want to post your own reader submission, send one in and let Curt decide whethter to print it or not. I’m in no mood to indulge your fantasies today.

May 29th, 2008 at 10:46 am
Fit fit
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There’s plenty of conservatives who oppose the war. You’re not as monolithic in thought as you think.

May 29th, 2008 at 11:30 am
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Yes the Paulbots, which are not conservative and Bob Bar, who is running on the Libertarian ticket. You might find a few herea and there that oppose the war. But the majority do, and see the consequences of leaving Iraq to the wolves.

Obama is about as bad as Kerry on his flip flopping on what he would do. It is like a playing roulette, you never know what is going to come out of his mouth next.

May 29th, 2008 at 1:09 pm
Fit fit
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McCain won’t be one who can accuse anybody on flip-flopping. He’s got the phrase “A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds” tattooed on his chest.

May 29th, 2008 at 1:27 pm
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Um we are not talking about McCain,we aretalking about Obama.

Whyis it everytime we get sidetracked. the post is about Obama, not McCain. I know McCain is aflip flopper also, but to compare him to what Obama has said over the past year on 1 subject is foolish. Have you seen how manydifferent versions of what Obama would do??? I mean it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to see he has no clue of what he will say one day to the next. If itisn’twritten in a speech, Obama looks like a deer in the headlights. And do not dare ask him more than 8 questions also, or questions that aretough. Then you are considered racist.

May 29th, 2008 at 1:36 pm
Fit fit
 7Reply to this comment  

No one’s ever been called a racist for asking tough questions.

May 29th, 2008 at 1:46 pm
 8Reply to this comment  

Stix: You noticed that FF’s comments have been a deliberate attempt to hijack this thread and change the subject.

I suppose if McCain was a serial abuser of the facts, history and truth one of his supporters might do the same.

Fortunately, that’s not the case which is why my post makes such a stunning contrast that FF needs to try and muddy the water.

May 29th, 2008 at 2:02 pm
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Hunter lost me as soon as he wrote “Michael Scheuer”… here’s my rant on this bozo from March. OBL ought to send the guy thank you cards for every year he was heading up the OBL task force!

May 29th, 2008 at 2:26 pm
 10Reply to this comment  

I agree Mike. Almost every post either get hijacked by FF or one of the other hijacking trolls

May 29th, 2008 at 2:36 pm
Hijacking Troll
 11Reply to this comment  

No we don’t.

Oohhh… Shiney! Quick, look over there!

May 29th, 2008 at 2:49 pm
motu5
 12Reply to this comment  

I am a Democrat. I am uneasy about Obama being our candidate. I supported Biden, Edwards, Dodd, and Clinton over Obama for the very reasons you outline. Obama is not ready for the world stage. We have a recession, two hot wars, one global intelligence war on organized terror, an international monetary crisis and a looming ecological calamity. I am torn as to how to vote. I disagree utterly with McCain on domestic issues and am not that confident as to his capacity to navigate the world’s mind field. But Obama is so much talk and so little of it seems grounded.

Say what you will about Hillary, but she’s tough and knows her stuff.
But she won’t be the nominee because……..we’re Democrats.

May 29th, 2008 at 3:01 pm
Lee
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For months now, smug condescending, self righteous Obamabots have been calling for Senator Clinton to drop out. They have resorted to personal attacks, character assassination, and ugly insults, rather than addressing the issues … and, disregarding, and disrespecting the 17 million Clinton supporters, as if we don’t even exist, or don’t even count. If Obama wins the democratic nomination, I urge fellow Clinton supporters to respond by voting for John McCain in November, as well as voting the super delegates, who jumped Hillary’s ship, out of office.

May 29th, 2008 at 3:20 pm
Aye Chihuahua
 14Reply to this comment  

The Obamanation will be lucky if many historically Democrat voters don’t start having severe buyer’s remorse when sHrillary doesn’t get the nod.

I am more than confident that McCain will welcome the votes of any Democrats who just cannot make themselves vote for their candidate.

May 29th, 2008 at 3:28 pm
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There’s plenty of conservatives who oppose the war. You’re not as monolithic in thought as you think.

“conservatives = monlithic in thought” is one heck of an oxymoron. The GOP hasn’t been lockstep since Clinton’s impeachment.

May 29th, 2008 at 4:08 pm
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Motu5: I feel your pain. Many of us had McCain down as our past choice too.

P.S. They just revised the economic growth indicators upward by another third of a point to 0.9% so that means we are NOT in a recession.

Words matter as we are learning with Obama.

May 29th, 2008 at 5:38 pm
EyesOpen
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Why do associations matter? Well, these are great examples. Because had Senator Obama been hanging around a broader, more educated, more exposed peer group during his twenties and thirties, his lack of knowledge about world history would have been teased out of him and he would have been forced to put up or shut up to fit in.
I suspect that if one draws up a list of the Obama associates one can trace back to a series of topics on which Mr. Obama will be very versed and uncharacteristically specific. I’ll take Marxism for $300.

May 29th, 2008 at 5:53 pm
Wordsmith
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MataHarley wrote:

Hunter lost me as soon as he wrote “Michael Scheuer”… here’s my rant on this bozo from March.

As I wrote on your post:

But polls show that the bedrock of support for militancy among the world’s 1.3 billion Muslims is the detestation of U.S. foreign policies.

A number of people all over the world express anti-American and anti-U.S. foreign policy grievances (that are skewed in perspective), yet they don’t go around blowing up innocent civilians to make the point.

Scheuer is nutty. Just because he was a CIA intell analyst and the “go-to” expert on bin Laden, who he failed to catch, doesn’t mean his perspective on the facts and the conclusions he’s drawn are the correct assessments to have. Just look at the number of “experts in their field” with credentials to flaunt, teaching at American Universities. How many Ward Churchills and Howard Zinns would you say have correct opinions from a lifetime of study in their field of expertise? Just because they studied “facts”, doesn’t mean they have sound opinions on the facts.

Scheuer is Ron Paul’s foreign policy expert. Yet Scheuer has also stated that now that we’re there, he wants us to win in Iraq, and I”m not so sure he was on board for endorsing Ron Paul.

Good post, Mike!

May 29th, 2008 at 11:33 pm
SoCal Chris
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I read this article on Thursday by Karl Rove sequencing ol’ BO’s flip-flopping charades:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121201747075327643.html?mod=rss_opinion_main

By the way, is it just me or does that photo of BO with the cigarette hanging out of his mouth look like he’s been at a Black Jack table too long one night?! Probably not, of course, but just sort of has the look of some ’40’s gangsta movie.

May 30th, 2008 at 12:29 am
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SoCal: Thanks for the link to the Rove piece: The last two paragraphs sum up the Obama problem:

“…Mr. Obama’s problem is a campaign that’s personality-driven rather than idea-driven. Thus incidents calling into question his persona and character can have especially devastating consequences.

Stripped of his mystique as a different kind of office seeker, he could become just another liberal politician – only one who parses, evades, dissembles and condescends. That narrative is beginning to take hold. If those impressions harden into firm judgments, Mr. Obama will have a very difficult time in November.”

May 30th, 2008 at 6:40 am

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