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		<title>By: Flopping Aces » Blog Archive &#187; In the Middle of a Perilous Peace</title>
		<link>http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/05/29/is-the-islamic-world-rejecting-al-qaeda-theology-thanks-to-the-war-in-iraq/#comment-135925</link>
		<dc:creator>Flopping Aces » Blog Archive &#187; In the Middle of a Perilous Peace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 20:58:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] al Qaeda has lost legitimacy, thanks to the war in Iraq: I still find people in America, Nepal, Thailand, UAE and other [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Flopping Aces » Blog Archive &#187; President Bush Took His Eyes Off the Ball in the GWoT</title>
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		<dc:creator>Flopping Aces » Blog Archive &#187; President Bush Took His Eyes Off the Ball in the GWoT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 18:59:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the Iraqi government will begin paying salaries to 51,000 members of the Sons of Iraq, and where al Qaeda lost the hearts and minds of the Muslim [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Flopping Aces » Blog Archive &#187; Who Gets to Define the Faith of 1.5 Billion People?</title>
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		<dc:creator>Flopping Aces » Blog Archive &#187; Who Gets to Define the Faith of 1.5 Billion People?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 17:28:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Laden and Zawahiri tried to convince the Muslim world that the West are at war with Islam. They have failed. That is, unless they&#8217;ve simultaneously convinced the West that Islam is at war with [...]</description>
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		<title>By: MataHarley</title>
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		<dc:creator>MataHarley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 18:27:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Right on, James Manning...  INRE &quot;turn everything representing Arab Culture into symbols or terrorism&quot;.  

I have complained for a very long time about the inadequate definition of the enemy - the global Islamic jihad movement.  We westeners do not enjoy the ability to see the Arab or Muslim perspective with accuracy because of our upbringing, and our privilege of freedom at birth in this country.  The only views provided are thru the eyes of a western press, using generalized, over simplified analogies.

i.e., it is not always Sunni vs Shia.  They have been known to cooperate in many a mission against a common foe.  Hezbollah and Hamas enjoy interrelations and support that would surprpise many. Fact is, an Iranian-Shia theocracy is no better for the population at large, or their economy, than a Sunni theocracy.  

Islamic rule as law of the land results in 3rd world conditions and human rights violations at every turn.  Modern Islam rejects this type of governance with elections at every turn (with the exception of Palestine, which voted for Hamas socialist welfare programs).

I too will rue the day when we lose the valuable culture contributions of the Middle East because of too broad of associations.  However humanity and public opinion, in their simplicity and lack of perspective, often tends to react in the extreme.  

Sure glad I learned how to make my own hummus tho....  LOL</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right on, James Manning&#8230;  INRE &#8220;turn everything representing Arab Culture into symbols or terrorism&#8221;.  </p>
<p>I have complained for a very long time about the inadequate definition of the enemy &#8211; the global Islamic jihad movement.  We westeners do not enjoy the ability to see the Arab or Muslim perspective with accuracy because of our upbringing, and our privilege of freedom at birth in this country.  The only views provided are thru the eyes of a western press, using generalized, over simplified analogies.</p>
<p>i.e., it is not always Sunni vs Shia.  They have been known to cooperate in many a mission against a common foe.  Hezbollah and Hamas enjoy interrelations and support that would surprpise many. Fact is, an Iranian-Shia theocracy is no better for the population at large, or their economy, than a Sunni theocracy.  </p>
<p>Islamic rule as law of the land results in 3rd world conditions and human rights violations at every turn.  Modern Islam rejects this type of governance with elections at every turn (with the exception of Palestine, which voted for Hamas socialist welfare programs).</p>
<p>I too will rue the day when we lose the valuable culture contributions of the Middle East because of too broad of associations.  However humanity and public opinion, in their simplicity and lack of perspective, often tends to react in the extreme.  </p>
<p>Sure glad I learned how to make my own hummus tho&#8230;.  LOL</p>
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		<title>By: james manning</title>
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		<dc:creator>james manning</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 15:54:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are on point with this assessment. I have Muslim friends and I can tell you that they are no more terrorist sympathizers than you or I. However, if we make Islam the enemy rather than the extremist who seek tyranny under the guise of religious doctrine, then we will find ourselves in a never-ending battle.

To MataHarley&#039;s point: It is true that a minority can enforce its will on the majority given the right circumstances and armed strength. But as we have seen in Iraq, al-Qaeda was only as strong as its support from the Sunni population.

The major concern I have with our reaction to extremist is that we turn everything representing Arab culture into symbols or terrorism. When an American company has to pull an ad due to a scarf - we are not far from the edge. I can see a day when a Persian rug becomes evidence of sympathizing with Iran.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are on point with this assessment. I have Muslim friends and I can tell you that they are no more terrorist sympathizers than you or I. However, if we make Islam the enemy rather than the extremist who seek tyranny under the guise of religious doctrine, then we will find ourselves in a never-ending battle.</p>
<p>To MataHarley&#8217;s point: It is true that a minority can enforce its will on the majority given the right circumstances and armed strength. But as we have seen in Iraq, al-Qaeda was only as strong as its support from the Sunni population.</p>
<p>The major concern I have with our reaction to extremist is that we turn everything representing Arab culture into symbols or terrorism. When an American company has to pull an ad due to a scarf &#8211; we are not far from the edge. I can see a day when a Persian rug becomes evidence of sympathizing with Iran.</p>
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		<title>By: MataHarley</title>
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		<dc:creator>MataHarley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 May 2008 18:04:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Al Qaeda never had any support amongst the majority Shia 60%&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Saddam didn&#039;t have that 60% support either, John Ryan.  Are you suggesting that it&#039;s impossible for a minority to have dictatorial rule over the majority?  In which case, you are ignoring decades of history in that very country.

Arthur, it has never been suggested that *all* Muslims support a caliphate.  However a minority of militants, using violence, fear and weaponry, can take over a nation and enforce their will... see the case of Saddam and a minority, ruling for decades over the majority.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Al Qaeda never had any support amongst the majority Shia 60%</p></blockquote>
<p>Saddam didn&#8217;t have that 60% support either, John Ryan.  Are you suggesting that it&#8217;s impossible for a minority to have dictatorial rule over the majority?  In which case, you are ignoring decades of history in that very country.</p>
<p>Arthur, it has never been suggested that *all* Muslims support a caliphate.  However a minority of militants, using violence, fear and weaponry, can take over a nation and enforce their will&#8230; see the case of Saddam and a minority, ruling for decades over the majority.</p>
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		<title>By: Aye Chihuahua</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aye Chihuahua</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 May 2008 17:32:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In other news:  Arthur is still afflicted with a chronic case of cranial rectal inversion.

That&#039;s not a surprise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In other news:  Arthur is still afflicted with a chronic case of cranial rectal inversion.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s not a surprise.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike's America</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike's America</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 May 2008 17:07:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What&#039;s a matter Artie... you don&#039;t get enough attention at Mike&#039;s America?

Your comment is pointless as usual.

Wordsmith: I&#039;ve seen the Pew report and it&#039;s nearly a year old. I was hoping to see something more recent. Maybe they will update it in July.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s a matter Artie&#8230; you don&#8217;t get enough attention at Mike&#8217;s America?</p>
<p>Your comment is pointless as usual.</p>
<p>Wordsmith: I&#8217;ve seen the Pew report and it&#8217;s nearly a year old. I was hoping to see something more recent. Maybe they will update it in July.</p>
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		<title>By: Arthurstone</title>
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		<dc:creator>Arthurstone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 May 2008 16:49:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Surprise. Surprise.

Turns out &#039;Muslims&#039; haven&#039;t been all about the destruction of the west and world domination after all.

Except for Rachel Ray apparently.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Surprise. Surprise.</p>
<p>Turns out &#8216;Muslims&#8217; haven&#8217;t been all about the destruction of the west and world domination after all.</p>
<p>Except for Rachel Ray apparently.</p>
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		<title>By: Wordsmith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wordsmith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 May 2008 06:11:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Found this:

&lt;a href=&quot;http://pewglobal.org/reports/display.php?ReportID=257&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Sharp Decline in Support for Suicide Bombing in Muslim Countries&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Found this:</p>
<p><a href="http://pewglobal.org/reports/display.php?ReportID=257" rel="nofollow">Sharp Decline in Support for Suicide Bombing in Muslim Countries</a></p>
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		<title>By: Wordsmith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wordsmith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 14:40:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By way of &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.danieldrezner.com/archives/003837.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Daniel Drezner citing from &lt;i&gt;the New Republic&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/a&gt;:
&lt;blockquote&gt;Why have clerics and militants once considered allies by Al Qaeda&#039;s leaders turned against them? To a large extent, it is because Al Qaeda and its affiliates have increasingly adopted the doctrine of takfir, by which they claim the right to decide who is a &quot;true&quot; Muslim. Al Qaeda&#039;s Muslim critics know what results from this takfiri view: First, the radicals deem some Muslims apostates; after that, the radicals start killing them. This fatal progression happened in both Algeria and Egypt in the 1990s. It is now taking place even more dramatically in Iraq, where Al Qaeda&#039;s suicide bombers have killed more than 10,000 Iraqis, most of them targeted simply for being Shia. Recently, Al Qaeda in Iraq has turned its fire on Sunnis who oppose its diktats, a fact not lost on the Islamic world&#039;s Sunni majority.

Additionally, Al Qaeda and its affiliates have killed thousands of Muslim civilians elsewhere since September 11: hundreds of ordinary Afghans killed every year by the Taliban, dozens of Saudis killed by terrorists since 2003, scores of Jordanians massacred at a wedding at a U.S. hotel in Amman in November 2005. Even those sympathetic to Al Qaeda have started to notice. &quot;Excuse me Mr. Zawahiri but who is it who is killing with Your Excellency&#039;s blessing, the innocents in Baghdad, Morocco and Algeria?&quot; one supporter asked in an online Q&amp;A with Al Qaeda&#039;s deputy leader in April that was posted widely on jihadist websites. All this has created a dawning recognition among Muslims that the ideological virus that unleashed September 11 and the terrorist attacks in London and Madrid is the same virus now wreaking havoc in the Muslim world.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By way of <a href="http://www.danieldrezner.com/archives/003837.html" rel="nofollow">Daniel Drezner citing from <i>the New Republic</i></a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>Why have clerics and militants once considered allies by Al Qaeda&#8217;s leaders turned against them? To a large extent, it is because Al Qaeda and its affiliates have increasingly adopted the doctrine of takfir, by which they claim the right to decide who is a &#8220;true&#8221; Muslim. Al Qaeda&#8217;s Muslim critics know what results from this takfiri view: First, the radicals deem some Muslims apostates; after that, the radicals start killing them. This fatal progression happened in both Algeria and Egypt in the 1990s. It is now taking place even more dramatically in Iraq, where Al Qaeda&#8217;s suicide bombers have killed more than 10,000 Iraqis, most of them targeted simply for being Shia. Recently, Al Qaeda in Iraq has turned its fire on Sunnis who oppose its diktats, a fact not lost on the Islamic world&#8217;s Sunni majority.</p>
<p>Additionally, Al Qaeda and its affiliates have killed thousands of Muslim civilians elsewhere since September 11: hundreds of ordinary Afghans killed every year by the Taliban, dozens of Saudis killed by terrorists since 2003, scores of Jordanians massacred at a wedding at a U.S. hotel in Amman in November 2005. Even those sympathetic to Al Qaeda have started to notice. &#8220;Excuse me Mr. Zawahiri but who is it who is killing with Your Excellency&#8217;s blessing, the innocents in Baghdad, Morocco and Algeria?&#8221; one supporter asked in an online Q&#038;A with Al Qaeda&#8217;s deputy leader in April that was posted widely on jihadist websites. All this has created a dawning recognition among Muslims that the ideological virus that unleashed September 11 and the terrorist attacks in London and Madrid is the same virus now wreaking havoc in the Muslim world.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: wordsmith</title>
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		<dc:creator>wordsmith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 14:13:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, no kidding.  Anything else you want to add to your point as it relates to the post, Mr. Ryan?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, no kidding.  Anything else you want to add to your point as it relates to the post, Mr. Ryan?</p>
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		<title>By: john Ryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>john Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 14:04:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sunnis make up just 20% of the population of Iraqi. Al Qaeda never had any support amongst the majority Shia 60%</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sunnis make up just 20% of the population of Iraqi. Al Qaeda never had any support amongst the majority Shia 60%</p>
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		<title>By: Curt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Curt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 02:30:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent post Word and it should be a must read by those who believe the only way to win this War on Terror is to destroy Islam.  The way to win this war is for those moderates who do not advocate violence to stand up and be counted.  To become those strong leaders for the youth to emulate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent post Word and it should be a must read by those who believe the only way to win this War on Terror is to destroy Islam.  The way to win this war is for those moderates who do not advocate violence to stand up and be counted.  To become those strong leaders for the youth to emulate.</p>
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		<title>By: Gregory Dittman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gregory Dittman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 21:36:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would say it&#039;s not the religion, but the culture that&#039;s dictating the religion.  One of the key points this century is that the begining of every century with at least one Mujaddid.  Apparently the religon gets corrupted and must be revised.  That&#039;s the job of the Mujaddid.  
Sheikh Abd-al-Aziz ibn Abd-Allah ibn Baaz and Sheikh Muhammad Nasiruddin al-Albani both died in 1999.  The Mujaddid comes from Heaven, but it&#039;s politics which is preventing one from being recognized.  So far the nominees have all denounced terrorism and much of the lifestyle that critics have pounced on.  Of course this gets in the way of people using faith to promote their agenda and that&#039;s why there is no Mujaddid.  I believe that the religion has been hijacked for Earthly gains, but that could happen to any religion (see the Spanish Inquisition, Manifest Destiny, the justification of having slaves and the violence against Mormans and Jews  by the U.S. and the U.S.).  Any legit Jihad would be for a revolt againt the hijacking and put the religion back into Islam.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would say it&#8217;s not the religion, but the culture that&#8217;s dictating the religion.  One of the key points this century is that the begining of every century with at least one Mujaddid.  Apparently the religon gets corrupted and must be revised.  That&#8217;s the job of the Mujaddid.<br />
Sheikh Abd-al-Aziz ibn Abd-Allah ibn Baaz and Sheikh Muhammad Nasiruddin al-Albani both died in 1999.  The Mujaddid comes from Heaven, but it&#8217;s politics which is preventing one from being recognized.  So far the nominees have all denounced terrorism and much of the lifestyle that critics have pounced on.  Of course this gets in the way of people using faith to promote their agenda and that&#8217;s why there is no Mujaddid.  I believe that the religion has been hijacked for Earthly gains, but that could happen to any religion (see the Spanish Inquisition, Manifest Destiny, the justification of having slaves and the violence against Mormans and Jews  by the U.S. and the U.S.).  Any legit Jihad would be for a revolt againt the hijacking and put the religion back into Islam.</p>
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