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		<title>By: The Power of Nature &#124; Island Richards</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Power of Nature &#124; Island Richards</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jul 2008 06:13:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Missy</title>
		<link>http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/05/10/the-power-of-nature/#comment-88163</link>
		<dc:creator>Missy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2008 21:57:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>About weather sampling stations, if the rest of the world's stations are anything like those in the US, I can't believe they would show a smooth, regular trend:

http://www.surfacestations.org/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>About weather sampling stations, if the rest of the world&#8217;s stations are anything like those in the US, I can&#8217;t believe they would show a smooth, regular trend:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.surfacestations.org/" rel="nofollow">http://www.surfacestations.org/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Aye Chihuahua</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aye Chihuahua</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2008 19:49:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;"The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane"&lt;/strong&gt; - &lt;i&gt;Marcus Aurelius&lt;/i&gt;

Poor Jim.

Smacked down with the facts again:

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.petitionproject.org/index.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;Global Warming Petition Project&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;b&gt;"There is no convincing scientific evidence that human release of carbon dioxide, methane, or other greenhouse gases is causing or will, in the forseeable future, cause catastrophic heating of the Earth's atmosphere and disruption of the Earth's climate.  Moreover, there is substantial scientific evidence that increases in atmospheric carbon dioxide produce many beneficial effects upon the natural plant and animal environments of the Earth."&lt;/b&gt;

&lt;a href="http://www.petitionproject.org/gwdatabase/Signers_By_Last_Name.php" rel="nofollow"&gt;31,072 American scientists&lt;/a&gt; have signed this petition,
including 9,021 with PhDs
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;a href="http://sepp.org/policy%20declarations/heidelberg_appeal.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;4,000 Scientists Sign the Heidelberg Appeal&lt;/a&gt;


&lt;a href="http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Minority.SenateReport" rel="nofollow"&gt;U.S. Senate Report: Over 400 Prominent Scientists Disputed Man-Made Global Warming Claims in 2007

Senate Report Debunks "Consensus" &lt;/a&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110008597" rel="nofollow"&gt;"There is a clear attempt to establish truth not by scientific methods but by perpetual repetition."&lt;/a&gt;
- Richard S. Lindzen, Ph.D. Professor of Meteorology, MIT&lt;/blockquote&gt;

It's a choice between highly educated, experienced, and able scientists and "Jim" the uninformed occasional "sky is falling" commentator here at Flopping Aces.

So, who am I going to believe?

Not difficult to choose wisely here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>&#8220;The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane&#8221;</strong> - <i>Marcus Aurelius</i></p>
<p>Poor Jim.</p>
<p>Smacked down with the facts again:</p>
<blockquote><p><a href="http://www.petitionproject.org/index.html" rel="nofollow">Global Warming Petition Project</a></p>
<p><b>&#8220;There is no convincing scientific evidence that human release of carbon dioxide, methane, or other greenhouse gases is causing or will, in the forseeable future, cause catastrophic heating of the Earth&#8217;s atmosphere and disruption of the Earth&#8217;s climate.  Moreover, there is substantial scientific evidence that increases in atmospheric carbon dioxide produce many beneficial effects upon the natural plant and animal environments of the Earth.&#8221;</b></p>
<p><a href="http://www.petitionproject.org/gwdatabase/Signers_By_Last_Name.php" rel="nofollow">31,072 American scientists</a> have signed this petition,<br />
including 9,021 with PhDs
</p></blockquote>
<p><a href="http://sepp.org/policy%20declarations/heidelberg_appeal.html" rel="nofollow">4,000 Scientists Sign the Heidelberg Appeal</a></p>
<p><a href="http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Minority.SenateReport" rel="nofollow">U.S. Senate Report: Over 400 Prominent Scientists Disputed Man-Made Global Warming Claims in 2007</p>
<p>Senate Report Debunks &#8220;Consensus&#8221; </a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110008597" rel="nofollow">&#8220;There is a clear attempt to establish truth not by scientific methods but by perpetual repetition.&#8221;</a><br />
- Richard S. Lindzen, Ph.D. Professor of Meteorology, MIT</p></blockquote>
<p>It&#8217;s a choice between highly educated, experienced, and able scientists and &#8220;Jim&#8221; the uninformed occasional &#8220;sky is falling&#8221; commentator here at Flopping Aces.</p>
<p>So, who am I going to believe?</p>
<p>Not difficult to choose wisely here.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike's America</title>
		<link>http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/05/10/the-power-of-nature/#comment-88134</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike's America</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2008 19:22:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim: There is no threat to the planet from manmade CO2 emissions. Get over it. The scientific contradiction for global warming alarmism mounts daily. 

Now that the sun is in a calmer period, it's likely that the cooling trend which NASA's advanced sensors have detected will continue despite any increase in CO2.

If YOU are wrong, we would have spent trillions of dollars for a fraud. Meanwhile, the real problems of global poverty, hunger and literacy go unanswered for lack of funds.

Thanks a lot for that. Another million or so people condemned to death by liberalism!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim: There is no threat to the planet from manmade CO2 emissions. Get over it. The scientific contradiction for global warming alarmism mounts daily. </p>
<p>Now that the sun is in a calmer period, it&#8217;s likely that the cooling trend which NASA&#8217;s advanced sensors have detected will continue despite any increase in CO2.</p>
<p>If YOU are wrong, we would have spent trillions of dollars for a fraud. Meanwhile, the real problems of global poverty, hunger and literacy go unanswered for lack of funds.</p>
<p>Thanks a lot for that. Another million or so people condemned to death by liberalism!</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2008 19:03:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great photo!  Very cool.

But you are wrong.  Not only is this false, it couldn't possibly be true given the CO2 record from any of the dozens of sampling stations around the globe. If it were true that individual volcanic eruptions dominated human emissions and were causing the rise in CO2 concentrations, then these CO2 records would be full of spikes -- one for each eruption. Instead, such records show a smooth and regular trend.

http://www.globalwarmingart.com/wiki/Carbon_Dioxide_Gallery

The fact of the matter is, the sum total of all CO2 out-gassed by active volcanoes amounts to about 1/150th of anthropogenic emissions.

You all need to get over making this a conservative/liberal battle.  It's not.  It's pure survival.  If you are wrong, then we are totally screwed and there is not going "oops".</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great photo!  Very cool.</p>
<p>But you are wrong.  Not only is this false, it couldn&#8217;t possibly be true given the CO2 record from any of the dozens of sampling stations around the globe. If it were true that individual volcanic eruptions dominated human emissions and were causing the rise in CO2 concentrations, then these CO2 records would be full of spikes &#8212; one for each eruption. Instead, such records show a smooth and regular trend.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.globalwarmingart.com/wiki/Carbon_Dioxide_Gallery" rel="nofollow">http://www.globalwarmingart.com/wiki/Carbon_Dioxide_Gallery</a></p>
<p>The fact of the matter is, the sum total of all CO2 out-gassed by active volcanoes amounts to about 1/150th of anthropogenic emissions.</p>
<p>You all need to get over making this a conservative/liberal battle.  It&#8217;s not.  It&#8217;s pure survival.  If you are wrong, then we are totally screwed and there is not going &#8220;oops&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
		<link>http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/05/10/the-power-of-nature/#comment-61078</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 10:40:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That is one of the coolest pics I've ever seen.  It's my desktop background now.  Just incredible.  Great find!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is one of the coolest pics I&#8217;ve ever seen.  It&#8217;s my desktop background now.  Just incredible.  Great find!!</p>
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		<title>By: Chris McMullen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris McMullen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 06:36:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Were any of our readers here close enough to Mount St. Helens when it blew to feel some of its direct effects I wonder?.."

Yeah, I've lived in the liberal wonderland of Portland, Oregon for 41 years. I was 14 when Mt St Helens blew. It was a beautiful May 18th, 1980 day -- ironically, this May has been one of the coldest and cloudiest I've ever felt -- and all you could see to the north was a mass of ash. Almost all the ejecta and ash went north, which spared Portland any real damage. You could feel some serious tremors, though. That was pretty cool.

If any one gets a chance, go up and see the National Monument. It's amazing what kind of damage such a relatively small eruption can do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Were any of our readers here close enough to Mount St. Helens when it blew to feel some of its direct effects I wonder?..&#8221;</p>
<p>Yeah, I&#8217;ve lived in the liberal wonderland of Portland, Oregon for 41 years. I was 14 when Mt St Helens blew. It was a beautiful May 18th, 1980 day &#8212; ironically, this May has been one of the coldest and cloudiest I&#8217;ve ever felt &#8212; and all you could see to the north was a mass of ash. Almost all the ejecta and ash went north, which spared Portland any real damage. You could feel some serious tremors, though. That was pretty cool.</p>
<p>If any one gets a chance, go up and see the National Monument. It&#8217;s amazing what kind of damage such a relatively small eruption can do.</p>
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		<title>By: yonason</title>
		<link>http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/05/10/the-power-of-nature/#comment-59459</link>
		<dc:creator>yonason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 May 2008 20:36:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder how much global cooling that will cause.  I'll bet that, unlike the fictitious AGW, that could be measured?  It will be interesting to follow that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder how much global cooling that will cause.  I&#8217;ll bet that, unlike the fictitious AGW, that could be measured?  It will be interesting to follow that.</p>
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		<title>By: Machiavelli</title>
		<link>http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/05/10/the-power-of-nature/#comment-58818</link>
		<dc:creator>Machiavelli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 May 2008 05:53:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That is an incredible photo on several levels; thanks for sharing it Mike. Talk about a combination of power and beauty! Since my teen years I've always been fascinated by lightning, and this tops almost any storm I've ever witnessed. The amount of ash and carbon dioxide pumped into the air by this one volcano does indeed boggle the mind. Were any of our readers here close enough to Mount St. Helens when it blew to feel some of its direct effects I wonder?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is an incredible photo on several levels; thanks for sharing it Mike. Talk about a combination of power and beauty! Since my teen years I&#8217;ve always been fascinated by lightning, and this tops almost any storm I&#8217;ve ever witnessed. The amount of ash and carbon dioxide pumped into the air by this one volcano does indeed boggle the mind. Were any of our readers here close enough to Mount St. Helens when it blew to feel some of its direct effects I wonder?</p>
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		<title>By: yonason</title>
		<link>http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/05/10/the-power-of-nature/#comment-58771</link>
		<dc:creator>yonason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 May 2008 04:31:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here's &lt;a href="http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1551869954348953471&#38;q=%22FREEMAN+DYSON%22&#38;ei=xUkkSMiJDZCqrgK5vLW1DA" rel="nofollow"&gt;a video interview of Freeman Dyson&lt;/a&gt; who thinks CO2 can have some negative effects on the atmosphere, BUT on Ozone, not temperature.  He also says we can deal with whatever problem might exist without incredible expense.  

He also thinks actual scientific observations are more important than models.  (I.e., HE'S SANE!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s <a href="http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1551869954348953471&amp;q=%22FREEMAN+DYSON%22&amp;ei=xUkkSMiJDZCqrgK5vLW1DA" rel="nofollow">a video interview of Freeman Dyson</a> who thinks CO2 can have some negative effects on the atmosphere, BUT on Ozone, not temperature.  He also says we can deal with whatever problem might exist without incredible expense.  </p>
<p>He also thinks actual scientific observations are more important than models.  (I.e., HE&#8217;S SANE!)</p>
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		<title>By: luva the scissors</title>
		<link>http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/05/10/the-power-of-nature/#comment-58752</link>
		<dc:creator>luva the scissors</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 May 2008 04:16:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As i was trying to think of something witty to post, i lost my mind.  That was an amazing photo, very pretty, and magical.  So i was wondering if they are going to fine the Chilian government for pollution, toxins in the air, that kind of crap.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As i was trying to think of something witty to post, i lost my mind.  That was an amazing photo, very pretty, and magical.  So i was wondering if they are going to fine the Chilian government for pollution, toxins in the air, that kind of crap.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike's America</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike's America</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 May 2008 04:15:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Skye: The carbon credits and tree planting scams are nothing more than a way for liberals to assauge their guilt.

I found &lt;a href="http://www.off-grid.net/index.php?p=365" rel="nofollow"&gt;this comment &lt;/a&gt;from a British environmental group interesting:



&lt;blockquote&gt;Trees do become a carbon repository as they grow, but also have a habit of fading away as saplings, and eventually dying or being chopped down, which puts their carbon straight back into the atmosphere. Planting trees to absorb CO2 is plainly the refuge of the environmentally confused and bewildered, which explains its popularity with pop stars - they would be the same worldwide touring pop stars flying from gig to gig in private jets.
Planting trees to offset carbon emissions is simply a way to carry on business as usual with your conscience salved by a kind of 21st- century “green” Papal indulgence.
Jeffrey Gazzard, AirportWatch&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Green Guilt companies are raking in big bucks promising to plant trees and only a fraction of what is collected goes to tree planting.

And then of course, no one bothers to water the trees and many of them die.

Someone should do an expose on these bandits and go observe one of these forests the greenies are supposedly planting. I bet you find a bunch of weeds and very few trees.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Skye: The carbon credits and tree planting scams are nothing more than a way for liberals to assauge their guilt.</p>
<p>I found <a href="http://www.off-grid.net/index.php?p=365" rel="nofollow">this comment </a>from a British environmental group interesting:</p>
<blockquote><p>Trees do become a carbon repository as they grow, but also have a habit of fading away as saplings, and eventually dying or being chopped down, which puts their carbon straight back into the atmosphere. Planting trees to absorb CO2 is plainly the refuge of the environmentally confused and bewildered, which explains its popularity with pop stars - they would be the same worldwide touring pop stars flying from gig to gig in private jets.<br />
Planting trees to offset carbon emissions is simply a way to carry on business as usual with your conscience salved by a kind of 21st- century “green” Papal indulgence.<br />
Jeffrey Gazzard, AirportWatch</p></blockquote>
<p>Green Guilt companies are raking in big bucks promising to plant trees and only a fraction of what is collected goes to tree planting.</p>
<p>And then of course, no one bothers to water the trees and many of them die.</p>
<p>Someone should do an expose on these bandits and go observe one of these forests the greenies are supposedly planting. I bet you find a bunch of weeds and very few trees.</p>
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		<title>By: yonason</title>
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		<dc:creator>yonason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 May 2008 04:12:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;EM&gt;"Pumping out more pollutants than all the cars on the planet, the Chaiten volcano in Chile puts on quite a show!"&lt;/EM&gt; -- Mikes America

And it is not the only one, either!

Nyiragongo, an African volcano, isn't even erupting yet, which is a good thing for the thousands who live on or near it.  But what does the NOVA documentary &lt;a href="http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/transcripts/3215_volcanoc.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;&lt;b&gt;Volcano Under the City&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt; say about it?

&lt;blockquote&gt;NARRATOR: And Nyiragongo is producing more [Sulfur Dioxide (alleged "cause" of "acid rain"] than any place in the world, up to 50,000 tons per day. That's &lt;b&gt;more than the amount produced by all power plants, factories and cars in the United States.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

It's so incredibly arrogant of humanity to think we could be the cause of such problems, and the height of arrogance to think we could in any way control them.  When they can stop a hurricane by blowing against the wind, then I may take them seriously.  Till then, fuggetaboutit!

Awesome photo, M.A.!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>&#8220;Pumping out more pollutants than all the cars on the planet, the Chaiten volcano in Chile puts on quite a show!&#8221;</em> &#8212; Mikes America</p>
<p>And it is not the only one, either!</p>
<p>Nyiragongo, an African volcano, isn&#8217;t even erupting yet, which is a good thing for the thousands who live on or near it.  But what does the NOVA documentary <a href="http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/transcripts/3215_volcanoc.html" rel="nofollow"><b>Volcano Under the City</b></a> say about it?</p>
<blockquote><p>NARRATOR: And Nyiragongo is producing more [Sulfur Dioxide (alleged "cause" of "acid rain"] than any place in the world, up to 50,000 tons per day. That&#8217;s <b>more than the amount produced by all power plants, factories and cars in the United States.</b></p></blockquote>
<p>It&#8217;s so incredibly arrogant of humanity to think we could be the cause of such problems, and the height of arrogance to think we could in any way control them.  When they can stop a hurricane by blowing against the wind, then I may take them seriously.  Till then, fuggetaboutit!</p>
<p>Awesome photo, M.A.!</p>
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		<title>By: john Ryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>john Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 May 2008 03:32:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>so now that this is happening you would be expecting that the global temperature will be rather low in May ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_change_denial
Climate change is also strongly denied by Ron Paul I do not know of any other  people still running for the White House that deny it</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>so now that this is happening you would be expecting that the global temperature will be rather low in May ?<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_change_denial" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_change_denial</a><br />
Climate change is also strongly denied by Ron Paul I do not know of any other  people still running for the White House that deny it</p>
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		<title>By: Skye</title>
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		<dc:creator>Skye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 May 2008 03:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How many carbon credits do will the protelariat be forced to purchase to render this one explosion 'carbon neutral'??

BTW - that is one hell of a photo!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How many carbon credits do will the protelariat be forced to purchase to render this one explosion &#8216;carbon neutral&#8217;??</p>
<p>BTW - that is one hell of a photo!</p>
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