Obama Attempts Damage Control – Update: FA Readers Called It Yesterday – Update: Geraghty “”a lot of this looks ridiculous now”

Lets now turn to our Hymnals and sing…”Sha Na Na Na, Sha Na Na Na, Oh Bah Ma, Good Bye!”

That is *exactly* the scenario I said on the Clarification thread, BarbaraS. It is a cooperative effort to remove the albatross around BHO’s neck before the remaining primaries, and during the general.

Don’t you think it is funny how after 20 years he finally threw him under the bus????? 20 yearsand he finally found out what Wright is, and you want someone like that to be the President???? I find it hard to believe that he just had an epiphany and finally figured out that Wright is not good for his campaign.

This is not about Wright in itself, it is about Obama’s associations. Wright, Rezko, Ayers and him being from Chicago have a big impact on wh Obama is. He is one of Alinski’s followers, and he tried to use Aliski’s Jujitsu, but his associations are going to burn him. And Obama himself said that Wright was his mentor and spiritual leader. So this is about Obama not Wright

Oh Skye, why be an apologist for a man who couldn’t figure out in 20yrs of watching Wright what everyone else saw immediately: the guy’s a loon. Barack was either a moron for 20yrs, or he’s lying that he suddenly had an epiphany over the past few weeks. It’s not about Hannity (to use your own words, he’s not on a campaign, running for President, VP, etc). Lose the Blue/Red BS. Barack is an extremely well-spoken plaigarist who’s pandered his way to the presidential nomination process. Hillary is an evil ice queen who-according to Democrats in one of the big debates-changes position as many as 5 times in 2 minutes. Sen McCain isn’t perfect, but he’s the lesser of the three evils, and even though he’s got that oh-so-horrific R next to his name, he’s the only one who has a history of working with both parties as opposed to pure partisan voting. The only thing Barack apologists care about in the wake of this and all the other fubars he’s made is a D. Put a D next to the man’s name, you’ll vote for him. Put an R there, you’ll check his newsphotos for a 666 birthmark on his scalp.

NEWSFLASH! Jimmah Carter on “Lob”Ball Matthews show calls Obama “courageous” for severing contact with Wright.

sigh… so predictable. The DNC loves a victim.

NEWSFLASH II: Margaret Carlson on “Lob”ball Matthews says Wright was “disasterous up to now” and that he seems “human” in his rejection. Glowing accounts of his response and bravery.

Second commentator (didn’t see who it was…) says now Obama has removed Wright as a legimate issue with the superdelegates with his rejection of Wright.

da spin moves on… in BHO’s favor. This is all about him retaining his cult base, and not losing them to Hillary. It does not, of course, affect any of us who already see thru him.

QUESTION:Can we expect that it would take Barack 20yrs to figure out that Ahmadinejad is a racist, conspiracy theorist nutjob too? How long to figure it out for Kim Il Jong, Assad, Chavez, Nasrallah, and so on?

For 20yrs Sen Obama sat in a church and listened to Wright, and now he’s surprised to learn what most people learn about him in minutes? Uh, yeah…right-err, I mean Wright.

Sky, thanks to your non-biased and fact-based allegations about President Bush, I have decided not to vote for him this fall. As to Iraq…Obama didn’t have to make a reality decision-just a political one since he wasn’t in office. He never saw the US or UN intel, and post-war investigations have shown that while the intel wasn’t 100% right (that’s why it’s called intelligence not evidence….’cause it never is), Saddam did in fact turn out to be a wmd threat, did back radical islamic jihadis (including Al Queda groups), and most of all: there were no other ways to remove Saddam by March 2003 (including inspections). If anyone believes that Sen Obama made a choice to oppose the invasion of Iraq based on intelligence or any sort of research, then you’re naive. Leaving Saddam Hussein alive and in power was not a solution. It was a stop-gap measure.

Oh, and btw…when it comes to gas prices etc., didn’t Democrats promise to solve that problem if elected to power in 2006?
http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/house-gop-challenges-pelosi-for-gas-price-plan-2008-04-22.html

Maybe-JUST MAYBE-gas and oil prices would be a little teeny weeny bit lower if Democrats would let companies…oh, I don’t know…drill for oil to get more oil?
http://bp0.blogger.com/_L6pDyjqqsvY/SBfcl4WcIwI/AAAAAAAANP8/dv52zKZ5p3Y/s1600-h/no+zone.jpg

Or maybe we can makes some more refineries so we have more gas. It is a little thing called “Supply and Demand” Economics 101.

And I just love it “Bush is an oil man”. Wow, ask his Oil Company that went under.

And Please tell me how Obama got National Security Clearance while he was talking to his friends from the Weather Undergound.

And Again I am not going to vote for Bush either this year.

Obama is a “babe in the woods” and will get taken apart easily by McCain. Just llok athow he handled Wright, he needed more grooming and more experience, but for some verystupid reasons,he was foisted into a Presidential Camapaignwith no experience and will get cre4amedand ruin his political career. All so Dicjk Durbin cna gethis guy into office. Because Dick Turbin Durbin knows thathe could never ever get elected President. The Democrats are going down on the Titanic fast, what a shame that a national party put this guy up for election. I am sure JFK, FDR, Scoop Jackson and many other Democrats of old are rolling in their graves

“going to be…” Sky, Republicans are running out of popcorn already!

RUSSERT: You were not in the Senate in October of 2002. You did give a speech opposing the war. But Sen. Clinton’s campaign will say since you’ve been a senator there’s been no difference in your record. And other critics will say that you’ve not been a leader against the war, and they point to this: In July of ‘04, Barack Obama, “I’m not privy to Senate intelligence reports. What would I have done? I don’t know,” in terms of how you would have voted on the war. And then this: “There’s not much of a difference between my position on Iraq and George Bush’s position at this stage.” That was July of ‘04. And this: “I think” there’s “some room for disagreement in that initial decision to vote for authorization of the war.” It doesn’t seem that you are firmly wedded against the war, and that you left some wiggle room that, if you had been in the Senate, you may have voted for it.

OBAMA: Now, Tim, that first quote was made with an interview with a guy named Tim Russert on “Meet the Press” during the (2004 Democratic National) convention when we had a nominee for the presidency and a vice president, both of whom had voted for the war. And so it probably was the wrong time for me to be making a strong case against our party’s nominees’ decisions when it came to Iraq.

For those that are “wright-brained”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lj-76_i7RQg

“And I always liked that song!”

I know what you mean. I’m a fan of Pink Floyd as well and I got a chuckle out of the whole Obama Drop/Flying Pig Fiasco. (You can’t make this stuff up)

http://www.mydesert.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080429/NEWS01/804290320

http://www.pe.com/localnews/inland/stories/PE_News_Local_D_webpig3.2455f24.html

(Story originally found at Michelle Malkin’s site)

This was a great comment:

While Obama’s campaign has said it wasn’t involved in the incident, Indio resident Carol Davison, who lives two blocks from the polo fields, said the display definitely changes her thoughts on the candidate, calling the incident a “derelict action.”

“I am just appalled. All of our gardeners will now have to spend the whole day trying to clean this up. It’s going to be in our pool filters clogging them up,” Davison said.

His elitist friends may be getting ready to throw him under the bus.. haha

“Set the speed limits lower. remember 55 mph?? or maybe 60?? it’s called conserve…
I am already driving much slower… I drive 2800 miles a month. still i have more time than money..”

Yeah, we tried that once during the oil crisis of the 70’s and saved at best 1% of the gas which was found that if most people just had the tire pressure correctly they would achive the same results. It was also estimated that the actual cost of the extra time (think trucks moving cargo) was ten times what was saved. BZZZT… Try again.. I was really HOPING for some CHANGE. What did I get? Same old bullsh*t.

Actually, YOU are part of the problem now by slowing down. Here’s an example: Since some candidates have decided to make things up I am going to do the same. Let’s say you’re driving down the highway insearch of the amber waves of grain in your VW Microbus (with peace signs and bumper stickers and such). You have a bottle of Naive er, Evian water and styrofoam cup of latte in your cupholders. Your back seat is filled with empty takeout containers from your arugula and ham lunches. Now, the posted speed limit is 65, but you, using your well thought out plans, decide to conserve energy and drive 55. Now, let’s get really crazy and imagine a pickup truck filled with drunk illegal aliens driving down the highway behind you. Now, being the law abiding non-citizens that they are, they are driving the speed limit (a bit wobbly). They come upon your conserving self and either a.) have to slow down and then pass (thus having to accelerate again using MORE gas) or b.) they wreck into you and we end up having to replace various organs inside of each of your pathetic bodies (at taxpayers expense), not to mention all the litter you have now dumped into the environment.

Thanks for playing.

Uddercha0s

I find your comments about saving gas by slowing down a bit out of reality… funny but not even close to real…

slowing down in my car alone has saved me 15%… now if everyone slowed down imagine 12 to 15% more gas on the market… will it lower the price of gas… you know it will… so far all I’ve done is slow down to about 60… the idea of it saving only 1%… I gotta ask have you been drinking???

Wow.. just.. wow.. well, you know Sky55110… where do I start? We’ll start with the drinking. Haven’t had a drop. Shame too because I could do my part in helping with the ethanol creation if I were. There’s some sane ethanol production that is being done by Coors with waste beer. I’ll leave you to do the research on that too. The one thing I do know, I sure as hell don’t want any of that kool-aid you’ve been drinking. I suspect that you’re a product of our public school system and didn’t learn about decimals. You may, just may, be getting 1.5% (that would be 0.015 on your calculator).

Now granted, you caught me. I made a little assumption with my 1% figure above. I felt it was a pretty safe bet though all things considered. The study that I quoted the 1% figure goes back to 1986 and they even quoted as little savings as 1/2 of 1% (that would be 0.005 on your calculator). I’m making a little leap of faith in thinking that the fuel efficiency in vehicles has improved in the last 20 years. The reason this study came about was because they were trying to get rid of the insane law that was enacted in the first place as a knee jerk reaction. It’s actually quite interesting because it really became a way of the federal government pushing it’s will on the states by witholding tax money for highways, much like they did with the drinking age. It went from, it saves fuel, to it saves lives. They also were able to implement another little tax on us.. more speeding tickets. It did spawn a whole new industry in radar detectors though. As a little side note, a barrel of oil back then was $13 and minimum wage was $3.65 an hour.

We see fuel savings when we do not accelerate (faster – long skinny pedal on right) and decelerate (slower – pedal on left). Now, if you want to make an impact on fuel consumption, it would be more productive to make sure that traffic studies have been done in your village to see if the traffic is flowing efficiently.

I suspect the whole bottled water and styrofoam flew right over your head. Hint: It has to do with oil. As an added bonus, if you use tap water in a refillable container, many cities will provide you with pharmaceuticals in the process. Consider that preventative health care and much safer than that kool-aid you’re guzzling.

Sky55110, no one-NO ONE is against ways to save gas/money, but it’s not the biggest way to lower prices. Allowing oil companies to get more oil is (and again, I’m not just talking Anwar). Second to that is allowing gasoline producers to build more gasoline production facilities (which tree-hugging elements of the Democratic Party have successfully prevented for almost 30yrs now). We all want to save money, and to have a cleaner environment, but your partisanship blinds you to fiscal realities: blocking production of oil and gasoline raises prices. Of course these aren’t limitless supplies, and we should all be grateful that Pres Bush has spent more money than any other President on alternative energy source research. We can advocate more money for that too if (for example) the Democrats’ Congress fulfilled ONE of their key 2006 campaign pledges and cut pork spending; spending which could be used to increase further R&D.

Let’s see, Dems took Congress in 2006 based on:
promising to make pork spending accountable-DIDN’T HAPPEN
promising to spend less on pork than Republicans-DIDN’T HAPPEN
end the war in Iraq with their New Direction in Iraq plan-DIDN’T HAPPEN/no plan ever existed
get Osama Bin Laden-DIDN’T HAPPEN
…and my favorite…lower cost of gasoline-DIDN’T HAPPEN.

Yet, blind partisans who prefer to believe that any and all things R are evil, and inherently wrong…they’ll still vote D despite the history of broken promises, blanket pandering, and opposition sans solution

Why did the dems promise something they couldn’t deliver on? Not just a pledge or two, they batted zero on everything. So many investigations, so little time.

What happened to pork spending in 2007? President Bush finally found his pen:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rlz=1T4DKUS_enUS237US237&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=president+bush+vetoes+pork+bill&spell=1

Sky, They promised. They failed. Now, you can buy the idea that the only way to get things done is to have enough seats to have unchecked power, and you can think that such an idea is a good thing, but I personally believe there shouldn’t be unchecked power, and that politicians should work together. Democrats have not. They could have traded elements of their party line in exchange for ending the war, but they didn’t. They promised to get UBL, and they didn’t. They promised to make pork spending public and not hidden (something well within their power even without unchecked power/60+seats, and they didn’t.

Nah, no Koolaid here. I voted for Clinton twice, almost always voted for Dems to Congress, and voted for Obama in Ohio’s primary. I’m a registered Democrat who’s not gullible enough to blame everything on Republicans, but instead I choose to hold my party accountable. They make promises, they don’t keep em, I point it out. You, you buy their excuses, turn a blind eye, and instead finger point. That accomplishes nothing and only weakens the substance of the party.

What is it with Sky55110 and the Kool Aid?

We all now who is sipping the pink stuff around here and it’s 55110!

Interesting that he/she/it has stopped defending Obama and is now offering gas mileage tips instead!

DRILL IN ANWR:

We have a 20 year supply of oil right here in the U.S. You can drive as fast as you want.

well all now who…. wow.. great spelling Mike… Do you have anymore intelligence not to show us?

BTW I still defend BHO… and I will be voting for him.

You go ahead. Vote for Grampy McCain! he will loose… no doubt.

I can’t believe you guys came up with him… OMG!

I find it entertaining that Sky has lately gone on a rant about “grampy” McCain, as if it is some sort of serious liability for him. Even in the stale world of the MSM, the issue of McCain’s age has already been pretty well played out. McCain has hinted strongly that he would not seek re-election in 2012, a nod to the fact that he’s almost 72 (and thus would be serving as President till he’s 76). He appears to be in very good physical shape, though I imagine after the abuse and broken bones he received at the Hanoi Hilton, he must have some pretty wicked Arthritis (probably one reason why he lives in Arizona). Also, I should note there is precedent for a President of his age; Ronald Reagan took office at the age of 69 (shortly before his 70th birthday), and served until he was 77. That would fully encapsulate a first term for McCain.
Granted, you may not think too highly of Reagan as a President. But, the vast majority of American people (and you should remember that there’s a term “Reagan Democrats” for a reason) believe him to be one of the finest we’ve had. If McCain can have anywhere near the success that Reagan had, I’ll count him a fine occupant of the Oval Office. I suspect most of the readers and contributors on this site would agree with that as well.
Also, another thing I should point out here that I’m sure you’ll appreciate Sky: McCain was the one who came up with the bill that started recording “pork barrel” earmarks put on by members of Congress. McCain himself has ZERO, whereas both BHO and Hillary have a tidy little pile of pork cutlets for their respective constituencies. So, if cutting out pork in Washington really matters to you, then I suggest you vote for McCain. If not, then it would seem all your protests about Republican pork were simply hypocrisy, and a poor debating tactic.
P.S.: Udderchaos, if you like Sky’s spelling / grammar here, check out her latest post over on the “Mission Accomplished” thread (that is if it hasn’t been edited by now).

Senator Robert (KKK) Byrd (D-West Virginia) is 90. Let me repeat that again… 90. Why is he still in office and the democrat rally around him?

“Senior Democratic senators privately considered Tuesday Sen. Robert Byrd’s capacity to handle his spot at the top of the powerful Senate Appropriations Committee, but the 90-year-old lawmaker won’t be stepping down from the demanding job, his office told CNN.”

He’s 20 years older than McCain. Maybe something to do with that “powerful Senate Appropriations Committee”?

Senator John Murtha – (D PA) is 75? 4 years older than McCain. I loved the hypocrisy of him calling McCain too old several weeks ago.

“I’ve served with seven presidents,” Murtha told a union audience. “When they come in, they all make mistakes. They all get older.”

“This one guy running is about as old as me,” he said, drawing laughter and applause. “Let me tell you something, it’s no old man’s job.”

Oh, I guess it’s all right for Senate positions. They don’t do a damn thing anyhow. sheesh. Let’s not forget to look at Senator Edward (Teddy the Lifeguard) Kennedy – (D- MA)… 76. Yeah, maybe he should think of retiring already!

Uddercha0s:

you want to know a little more about Obama and Reaching across the Isle??? here it is:

During his eight years in the Illinois state Senate, Obama worked with both Democrats and Republicans to help working families get ahead by creating programs like the state Earned Income Tax Credit, which in three years provided over $100 million in tax cuts to families across the state. Obama also pushed through an expansion of early childhood education, and after a number of inmates on death row were found innocent, Senator Obama enlisted the support of law enforcement officials to draft legislation requiring the videotaping of interrogations and confessions in all capital cases.

Then there is this LIE by Fox so called news. That Obama attended a Radical Muslim School…
That is total BS yet it spread like wildfire throughout the right wing talk and TV shows…

Check out the truth:

JAKARTA, Indonesia (CNN) — Allegations that Sen. Barack Obama was educated in a radical Muslim school known as a “madrassa” are not accurate, according to CNN reporting.

Insight Magazine, which is owned by the same company as The Washington Times, reported on its Web site last week that associates of Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, D-New York, had unearthed information the Illinois Democrat and likely presidential candidate attended a Muslim religious school known for teaching the most fundamentalist form of Islam.

Obama lived in Indonesia as a child, from 1967 to 1971, with his mother and stepfather and has acknowledged attending a Muslim school, but an aide said it was not a madrassa. (Watch video of Obama’s school )

Insight attributed the information in its article to an unnamed source, who said it was discovered by “researchers connected to Senator Clinton.” A spokesman for Clinton, who is also weighing a White House bid, denied that the campaign was the source of the Obama claim.

He called the story “an obvious right-wing hit job.”

Insight stood by its story in a response posted on its Web site Monday afternoon.

The Insight article was cited several times Friday on Fox News and was also referenced by the New York Post, The Glenn Beck program on CNN Headline News and a number of political blogs.

Mike:

Obama’s first law in the senate was passed with Republican Tom Coburn.
He has also traveled with Dick Lugar to Russia on a new generation of of Non-proliferation agreements.

there are more but YOU look it up!!!!

Is this idea he worshipped at a mosque your way of spreading more LIES???

The evil Tom Coburn who is just as guilty of criminality as Obama’s Weather Underground friend AYERS?

Obama is the most partisan member of the U.S. Senate.

Get over it.

Then go worship at your local mosque and ask if Obama’s been there.

What a joke… there are some here who cut/paste from Obama’s campaign site to cite “accomplishments. Well… at least, Udder, she’s reading *something*.

IL Earned Income Tax Credit is an accomplishment of reaching across the “Isle” ?? (by that scholarly spelling, perhaps it’s the British Isle’s we’re discussing… dunno).

Let’s muddy the BS with a few facts, eh? Sponsored/co-sponsored by 14 IL Senators. None of them His Messiahship, BTW. Guess that “working across the aisle” accomplishment boils down to he showed up and cast a vote for a change. Wow…. I’m just bowled over with awe.

Of course, the EITC is for the low income (who pay barely any taxes on their $10.7K and under/four person household income – and the total of these low income taxpayers contribute 13% or under of the entire State’s tax revenue). Plus, the following are ineligible for the up to $204 credit (based on the amount for that four family household, $10.7k income).

Missing out are:
Foster parents
Parents of totally and permanently disabled adult children
Parents of children under age 24 who are full-time students
Parents of children turning 18 in a taxable year
Childless adults

Dang… who’s left? Parents of children who don’t go to school, and aren’t disabled?

While the Obama cyber campaign staff are at FA, pasting campaign BS talking points as facts, they may want to check under the “People” heading and see how the candidate – prouding bridging the divides – neatly categorizes his constituents into different classes/gender/race with their very own blog posts. How “united” of him.

Udder… you’re wise not to waste any more time posting links for those who don’t read anything but campaign sites. However the rest of us always appreciate your input.

PS: EITC reduced the IL Income tax revenue by $60.5 mil in 2005. Wonder from which “class” of productive citizens they’re picking up the difference? ‘Cus they sure aren’t spending less.

Did I ever once say his father was not a muslim??
Did I ever once say he did not attend a muslim school???

I did say he did NOT attend a Madrassa…. that was the Insight and FOX news LIE.. brought to you by John Gibson. Then spread further by Glenn Beck…

Barack is a Swahili name…

Hussein is a Arabic name

Obama is a name from Kenya…

Barack means “May God Bless you”

by the way.. did I mention his is a CHRISTIAN????

you do the math

I love it when the Obamatons start to sputter!

Sky55110: You said: “Is this idea he worshipped at a mosque your way of spreading more LIES???”

You want to take that back now that Aye Chihuahua has brought you up to speed?

Who is the liar here 55110?

Want another cracker Polly?

Um, Sky, I hate to be the one to break it to you but the Arabic word for school is madrasah or madrassa if you prefer that spelling. So, yes, despite your false conclusion and your effort to get us to believe your lies, Obama did indeed attend a madrasah.

Remember, Google is your friend.

Barack is a derivation of Baraka which is Arabic and is included in the Koran. Through slave trading the word Baraka made its way into the Swahili language. It means “lightening” in Arabic.

Obama is an Arabic name as well. You really should do some research.

Under Islamic law and Arab culture if your father is Muslim then so are you. Once a Muslim, always a Muslim in the eyes of their culture and under their law. You cannot change. In Islamic eyes, he’s Muslim. He may think he’s a Christian, but they do not.

More precisely Muslims may very well consider him to be murtadd which would allow them to shed his blood. (That means that under Islamic law it would be OK to kill him.)

Of course, another Muslim word comes to mind:

Taqiyya.

I’ll let you look that one up Sky.

While you’re at it, why don’t you research why Obama isn’t “African-American” as defined by US law.

As B. Hussein Obama himself said: “Words matter.”

Would you like a calculator?

Ahh, every morning is like Christmas. I wake to the gifts of knowledge that the majority of FA posters leave, although some posters leave a glass of kool-aid and soy cookies. Nothing like a little mix of Religion and Politics to start your morning off (w)right. I loved how the topic instantly diverted from accomplishments to Fox News lying about madrassas. It’s like some perverted shell game.

Aye Chihuahua, I’ll repeat Machiavelli’s statement, Welcome to the fray and thanks for the insight.

“Remember, Google is your friend.”

I had this idea the other day that Microsoft has released a new version of MS Bob, maybe BOBama 2008, “What do you want to believe today?” and that Google is blocked from it. The only places allowed are HuffPo, DUmmieLand, DailyKosak. I think the ability to reach FA is a bug.

I digress, on to more serious things. Machiavelli, the Guam primary is just the tip of the melting iceberg. It isn’t over yet. I found this little gem:

Officials Say Recount Is ‘Imminent’

Pacific News Center Staff Reporter 04.MAY.08
9:30 a.m. Guam – The Democrat Party Nominating Committee said officials will look over the large amount of “spoiled ballots” in the coming days.

At issue is the small margin of victory of Senator Barack Obama. He beat his rival, Senator Hillary Clinton by 7 votes, but well over 500 ballots were deemed invalid during the tabulation process.

Herbie Perez, chairman of the nominating committee, said she will not certify the results because the Committee needs to ensure that all the uncounted ballots were properly identified as “spoiled.”

She said officials from the Party and representatives from both candidates will meet probably Monday or Tuesday to address that issue.

Perez revealed she is also looking into the missing ballots.

More than 8,100 were printed in response to reports of shortages at precinct sites. But when the final tally came in, only a little over 4,500 ballots were used.

Aye Chi… like a clock with a dead battery, right twice daily… the Obama campaign talking points plant here at FA is half right.

She is correct that the school Obama attended was a public school, and not an institution dedicated to elightenment/education of Islamic education… which is the common definition for a madrasah. An Islamic seminary, if you will.

However she also is incorrect in losing her cool at the notion that anyone saying Obama attended a madrasah is an accusation. Only duped or ill-informed westerners hear the word and consider it a code word for a school dedicated to teaching future jihad members.

Fact is, they can teach jihad in universities, colleges, public schools, jails, churches, mosques, the Internet, street corners, etal, as well as madaris… or not. It’s akin to the fact that all jihadists are Muslim, but not all Muslims are jihadists.

Again I find the retort too overblown with false confidence in deficient education and western concepts. Not to mention her spelling and/or typing abilities still continue to be deplorable…. as well as her social manners.

Then again, whenever my blood starts running warm, I remember she raised an exceptional young man who chose to go his own way – now serving our country – despite his mother’s naive and emotional beliefs. This is a mark of good parenting I would think, and perhaps her greatest achievement in life.

Sure wish she’d lose the oft mentioned and highly sophomoric kool-aid expression, however. It is getting ever so tiresome.

I must apologize to Sky55110. I had been calling him an Obama parrot. Cleary he is NOT a parrot. More like a Cuckoo.

Mata, I’m not so sure about that. It would appear that the literal translation of Madrassa (Madrassah) translates to school, whether secular or religious.

http://www.reference.com/search?r=13&q=Madrassa

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madrassa

http://middleeast.about.com/od/glossary/g/me071202b.htm

“The negative connotation of the word “madrassa” as it’s come to be understood in the English-speaking world–as referring to a place where fundamentalist, Islamic instruction is combined with anti-western vocations, or in the extreme, as a place where terrorists are formed ideologically–is largely an American and British conceit. It is for the most part, but not entirely, inaccurate”

Anyone fluent in Arabic that can put this to rest?

I agree with you on the rest though MataH.

Sky,

This is really really simple.

It shouldn’t be difficult even for you.

Obama attended a Muslim school. The Muslim word for school is madrasah.

So, therefore, yes Obama attended a madrasah.

Continually linking CNN doesn’t prove anything. In fact, CNN is as wrong as you on the meaning of the word.

Remember what I said about Google. It’ll help you keep from making as much of a fool of yourself.

Mata,

Thanks for the links. I will nose around in there and see what I can find.

The word madrasah simply means school. Only in the last couple of years, through improper usage has it taken on a more radical meaning.

I’m not sure why Sky insists on being so stubborn. I guess that’s the moonbat blood in him.

Either way Sky is fooling himself into believing what he wants to about BHO’s education.

The facts remain undisputed.

By the way, I was thinking of the Sunni definition.

Yes, Aye Chi. In one of her first postings where she and I were cyber chatting, she mentioned she is the mother of one of America’s finest, serving (I believe) in Iraq. She is understandably fretting for his safety, prays for him nightly, as most of us do for all our men and women there. What a cat’s meow of youth we have today in them. Gives me hope for the leaders a few decades from now.

In another thread, she also mentioned she was a white female who supported Obama. I’m going to take her at her word. And I most certainly understand a concern for your child’s safety… even tho officially a young man, old enough to make his own decisions. But there is nothing more heartbreaking than those that have had to bury their children.

So yes… my heart goes out to her. Still get annoyed with the constant “kool-aid” and choice of educational reading material tho. That’s why I ceased providing her with any more links. She’s set in her thought patterns, and it’s a cyber waste of bandwidth to convince one so unmoveable.

Yeah… I though 55110’s writing was a bit “mannish” myself.

OK, Aye Chi… went back thru the archives.

Here’s the thread where Skye55110 mentioned son’s service in Iraq, with add’l follow up here.

However my memory of “white female” that supports Obama is actually a “white suburban Democrat”.

So perhaps you guys are right that the Obama plant is male, not female. Odd that you think the posts are so “mannish”, and I think they are so menopausal emotional that it couldn’t be anything but female… LOL

Go no with the the faceless monikers on the internet, eh? I woulda thought Skye55110 was all woman. Feisty and wrong, but all woman. Then again, such is atypical of all too many liberal/progressive men.

If you are male, oh Skye55110, so sorry for mis-categorizing you… you’ll find YOUR appropriate category on Obama’s website tho… Mr. Let’s Divide the Nation via race/gender/class.

For the rest of you…. speaking of Obama “accomplishments”… that IL EITC that yielded an additional 17 bucks a month to a family of four making $10K or so annually? How come he thinks *that* makes such a difference, but doesn’t think the gas tax holiday means sheeeeeet. Afterall, the EITC lost over $60 mil in IL revenue, but he didn’t care. Why should he care about losing revenue to the feds for a few months for that paltry gas tax holiday? Weird duck… very weird.

Sky55110,

We’re eagerly awaiting your return to this thread so that you can address the misrepresentation of facts that you left us with on your last visit.

You have been presented with multiple sources which directly refute your claims.

Are you going to simply avoid this thread completely or are you man enough to admit that you have been proven wrong?

So let me make sure that I understand this.

You’re admittedly going to rely on CNN’s misinterpretation and/or misrepresentation of the word madrassah?

Your source has been totally and thoroughly debunked yet you’re going to continue to stand by that information.

At the same time, you expect us to take you seriously in all of your other posts and the things you choose to present as being “fact”.

Is that what I’m to understand?

You are a real piece of work.

Actually, CNN is incorrect.

The word means “school” plain and simple. Nothing more, nothing less. Madrassah can be used to describe any type of educational facility, from kindergarten to college. Much like we use the word “school” in the same sort of way.

Did you miss the multiple sources that support what I am saying to you?

By the way, thanks for the additional personal information.

That helped me to confirm what I already believed to be true.

OK, group. I’ll play school marm here.

I think that there’s a degree of “correct” to both sides here. From my understanding of madrasah from Muslims is that a school in the Islamic educational systems differs much from our western view of schools. While the Islam schooling may not be pure “seminary”, it most definitely does include a sense of Allah in education, without necessarily preaching Quran specifics.

So let’s call it a draw. It’s not strictly “school” in the western sense of the word. Nor is it a school of jihad. Skye55110 takes offense at many using the word because in the CNN/western interpretation becaues it insinuates that it is a school that preaches radical Islam.

So I do agree with Skye55110 (uh… did I just say that??? Historic!) that – in the western concept – Obama did not attend a school that advocates and teaches jihad.

However, Mr. Skye55110 (thanks for the gender update… I won’t assume incorrectly in the future), you may not want to take such offense of many here’s useage of the word madrasah. They are not necessarily implying Obama was indoctrinated to jihad. Obviously I’m not a supporter. But hang… I doubt most believe the guy is a closet supporter of Islamic law as rule of the land, nor an instrument of jihad waiting to explode upon taking the oath of office.

We do have many disagreements on issues. Can I assume we all agree on this particular one? There’s plenty else to debate.

And Skye55110… can you lose the kool-aid phrase before I lose my mind please???

And I will repeat, because I believe this to be very true. Despite my differences with Flyboy Skye (separating from FA’s Skye), I cannot help but believe that he did a fabulous job in parenting to raise a son who became a soldier of his own volition. This is a child who, while holdinge differing opinions, still chose his own way – and did not feel threatened to lose his father’s love because of that choice.

If we want to talk about theology, there is something much more glaring right in front of us than a kid 40 years ago attending a school that had Islamic studies.

We know that Obama has attended the Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago for 20 years. The Rev has told us that its foundation is Black Liberation Theology, based in part on the writings of James Cone. This guy is creepy. He made up God in his image and likeness. Here he is in his own words:

Cone has based his work on Liberation Theology which appeared in South America in the 1950’s as a subset of Roman Catholic theology. The Church didn’t necessarily condemn “liberation” but warned of the Marxist ideology that could injected into the theology. Cardinal Ratzinger wrote about this in 1984:

I leave it to you to decide whether TUCC and the Rev are teaching the Christian theme of Liberation or the Marxist theme.

Mata Harley,

Thank you for putting it so eloquently. You do very well at playing school marm.
I did not have time to be on yesterday.

BHO had a very good night last night. I am guessing wildly that Clinton will call it quits in the next few days.

Mata,

While I appreciate your attempt to play “school marm” I’m afraid that I have to disagree with you.

When I’m right I’m right, and I don’t back down or cede the high ground when I have the facts on my side.

Sky has stated here multiple times that the Obamessiah did not attend a madrassah. The truth is that he did.

Sky, like many others, whether intentionally or not, continues to rely on an incorrect definition of the word. Even after being corrected, he continues.

In the English language we use the word “school” to describe any and all types of learning institutions from kindergarten to college. All types of learning institutions are covered by the word “school” whether they be private, public, parochial, religious, liberal, conservative, military, etc.

The same is true of the word madrassah. It can be appropriately applied to any and all types of learning institutions.

Although I was convinced of the solidity of my position, I went back and did additional research to recheck my position since we began this discussion. I have checked multiple dictionaries, encyclopedias, and other reference materials. They all agree with my position.

Sorry to be a putz, but those are the facts.

If he wishes, Sky can argue that the madrassah the Obamessiah attended wasn’t radical, but he cannot argue that he never attended a madrassah.

As the Obamessiah has said, “Words matter”.

Not the same as Obnamassiah’s preacher REv Wright. McaCain did not go to his church for 20 yars. A little bit of difference there.

Who married Sen McCain, baptized his kids, and served on his campaign spiritual advisory committee?

Nah, sorry Sky, but your comparison would be better to Rev Jackson or Rev Sharpton. Rev Wright is in a class of his own. There is no excuse for people of his ilk.

excuuuuuuuuuse me “called him a spiritual guide” that would be a quote…

Unlike “Spiritual Mentor” or somone he gets advice from on political matters.
Did he marry him to his wife, baptise his children, did McCain give thousands of dollars to his church. And Barry got the newsletters that had Hamas propaganda in it from his own church.

Scott,

I think I may have misunderstood your statement above:

“Explain or retract or be deleted”

If that was directed at me please let me know.

Thanks Aye, I thought you were referring to my comments. LOL, gotta love the email voice. No harm or foul.

Look, all, when it comes to the Wright gig or any wacko affiliations to a candidate, what matters is the depth of the candidate’s reflection or parity with the wacko. Does McCain really buy into one guy’s dogma or another? I doubt the Maverick does. Does Obama? It seems he more of a panderer than anything else (but I can be called “bitter” in my disheartened views of Sen Obama). The whole thing is a distraction from what really matters: economy, war, and America’s future. Can McCain or Obama make the American economy boom with oil skyrocketing and looking to skyrocket more with numerous international crisis’ re oil developing? I’m skeptical-particularly given the power that the WH has over the US economy…or lack of power is a better description. Can Obama talk his way to pacifying Iran, Hamas, Hezbollah, and Al Queda? Yeah, right. Can McCain scare them to peace and pacification? Doubt it, but at least the fiery little veteran can deter them for a while and make them think twice.

The world sits on the precipice of an incredibly explosive moment not very dissimilar to the pre-American Revolutionary war period or the time before WWI, WWII, or before the Cuban Missile Crisis. This time, I believe it’s a challenge between the leaders of civilization and the leaders of death cults preaching Islamic martydom. Can the leaders of civilization find it within themselves to identify, recognize, and address the threat, or will civilization’s leaders seek personal power and blow off anything else that doesn’t support their power positions?

Reverend Wright, or Jackson or Sharpton or any from the right too all just serve as distractions from bigger problems, harder problems, scarier problems that we’d rather not think about let alone plan to confront or even dare to confront.

While everyone battles it out over Wright/Obama vs various Christian pastors’/McCain support, I’m going to take the opinion of one who doesn’t give a flying fart about the associations themselves.

What I *do* care about is if those associations have permeated the candidate’s opinions and thought patterns enough to influence policy.

Obama and Michelle have aptly demonstrated, by their own words, that they believe this country has shafted them and others because of race. BHO himself forms policy based on correcting this perceived “shaft”.

And this, in a nutshell, is the victim mentality preached by Wright and ilk to such great success. Firmly embedded and embodied in the man who would be POTUS and his My “Fair Weather” First Lady. Did this come from Wright? Who knows, and who cares. What is important is that they share his victim mentality. And they have raised their children to believe the same.

Barack: “… your dreams do not have to come at the expense of my dreams”

Barack: “In the white community, the path to a more perfect union means acknowledging that what ails the African-American community does not just exist in the minds of black people; that the legacy of discrimination – and current incidents of discrimination, while less overt than in the past – are real and must be addressed. Not just with words, but with deeds.”

Michelle: “For the first time in my adult lifetime, I am really proud of my country. And not just because Barack has done well, but because I think people are hungry for change.”

Michelle: “We should be at a point in time right now when every child in this nation, regardless of their race or their gender or their parents’ political party or their station in life or their region, they should be able to dream huge dreams for themselves.”

…….. I ask this. Just who is stopping anyone in this country from success, or from dreaming these “huge dreams” for themselves? The govt? The nation Michelle so blames, yet to the same owes her own privileged success?

As long as the nation’s leadership continues to address and treat we citizens as victims and places limitations on success (i.e. *too* rich)…

… as long as DNC candidates continue to promote Marxist notions of “From each according to their ability, to each according to their need” – i.e. the divide between rich and poor must be corrected…

… we will do nothing but destroy the spirit of achievement in America, and nuture more demanding victims as the next generation of leaders.

Aye Aye Aye:

he was not raised Muslim.. end of story… go away with your BS

Senator Obama is not a Muslim. He chose to become a Christian, and indeed has written convincingly to explain how he arrived at his choice and how important his Christian faith is to him.

end of story…

i don’t think you can…… 1-3rd grade… attended Catholic School… then a public school….
so when did this happen.. before 1st grade??? do you remember before first grade???

are you relying on Daniel Pipes????? he really slings the crap….