Intelligent, well written–and you guys can spell very well

I like that. I shall return.

“The legislative clerk read as follows:

The Senator from Connecticut [Mr. Dodd], for himself, Mr. Kennedy, Mr. Kerry, Mr. Lautenberg, Mrs. Boxer, Ms. Mikulski, Mr. Akaka, and Mr. Reed, proposes an amendment numbered 2735. ”

This gave him the oppourtunity to do a little grandstanding and read a letter from the American Legion.

We can see that the whole thing was really just pointless posturing, my amendment is better than yours…

“Mr. GRASSLEY. Mr. President, first, since we adopted the previous amendment, we obviously don’t need this amendment. But even if we consider this amendment, I raise a budget point of order on the amendment.

Mr. DODD. Mr. President, I move to waive all provisions of the Budget Act and budget resolutions necessary for consideration of the pending amendment to this bill, and for inclusion of the language of the pending amendment in the consideration of an amendment between the Houses. ”

The Dodd amendment was rejected 44 – 53 and ruled out of order. This continued for several more amendments.

“The PRESIDING OFFICER. On this vote, the yeas are 44, the nays are 53. Three-fifths of the Senators duly chosen and sworn not having voted in the affirmative, the motion is rejected. The point of order is sustained and the amendment falls.

The Senator from Iowa.

Mr. GRASSLEY. Just not to confuse anybody, we are kind of going through the same thing we did on the previous two amendments, so be alerted. “

Personally, I believe everyone harbors some degree of racial prejudices. Those prejudices often exist with no overt hate whatsoever. In my life I’ve encountered people with a wide range of beliefs. I’ve never meet a Klansman, but I went to school with people whose dads were. There are people who don’t consider themselves racist because “they don’t hate black people just niggers” (I think Chris Rock said this too). I’ve knew a guy who grew up spewing all kinds of racist things. He joined the Navy and came back saying he’d met black people he trusted now more than his own brother.

Some people fixate on race more than others. Many black people I’ve met fixate on race more than the “racist” white people I’ve known. Then there are the people who in turn fixate on this “reverse racism”.

Most people fall into what Obama clumsily termed a “typical white person” – someone who is likely to feel intimidated by race in a certain situtations. In this sense a “typical black person” might feel intimidated being pulled over by a white cop in rural Alabama. This is not racial hatred, but a lingering mistrust.

Politically, Liberals tend to overemphasize race and racial identity. Conservatives come across as pretending there is no real problem to address (Colbert spoofs this by claiming he cannot even “see” race). The answer, as always, probably lies somewhere in between.

By Robert Novak, might be off topic, but for deeper reasons I feel it needs to be looked at. Please I know my comment is long but Kovaks article needed to included.

I consider myself a real Conservative that believes in a Republic. Not a neo-con.

At first, my alienation of Robert Novak in the outing of Valerie Plame was at minimum to be censured as a Journalist, or face felony charges. Because he is guilty of deliberate violations of some basic national security secret laws. However, in time and absolute disregard for law the Neo-Con greed have again opened the door, by Novak and released a very direct action. Here, actually Novak shows and validates the GOP complicity happening in America’s primary election with direct manipulation of the Caucus States especially those that will never vote Democratic. At least Americans know five red states Obama won in the primary have never voted Democratic in over forty years. And for those who think Obama will win in those states are likely filled with the Audacity of Hope. Many know and so does Hillary that those numbers are a direct adjustment by Republican cross overs.

Guy’s like Chris Mathews like to call this atrocity, Republican mischief? Absolutely discussing when one finds out a whole political arena as Neo-Con’s can “At Will” send legions of loyalist to rallies and add numbers to the basic vote by just raising a hand and declaring to be independent after voting once as a Republican. Let alone funnel money to an electorate of the opposite party to stir the out come and produce poles that are a fraud.

From my studies there is a whole legion of Republicans via non-profit Institutions Think Tanks, and Special Interest Groups, and Political Blogs across America built over time in gerrymandered into voting schemes that are and have been part of making adjustments to American politics for decades. Republicans’ have been spiking the Democratic nominee game for years. Choking the vote, let alone choking the economy. Please don’t just call me stupid, no, not informed by Mainstream Media for not understanding this over the years. It’s the Internet and those scattered stories that many say are not true but in fact are the worst kind of reality that makes any American furious. The Zeitgeist in corruption beyond belief. Major media is part and core of the confusion in American elitism in politics.

Anyway, I present Novak’s article in full and agree that the GOP is alienated, but not because of Obama’s misstep, but because of a planed political strategy brilliantly unfolding to be as corrupt and fraudulent in the primary analysis of this voting process is a fraud the American Mainstream Media are delivering via first line Journalist here, with deliberate distortions confuse the analysis just as they did to the run up to the war in Iraq. Obama is a straw man. And for the Republican’s that always has been known. Also, when challenged how easy it is for Obama to loose focus and drive off the road. Even the Kennedy’s are so desperate to play the game they say Obama is like JFK. Totally bullroar.

But what jumps out at me in this article is when Novak deliberately uses the word “apostate”. Yikes. Here, in wide open national news rage Novak links even those Republican loyalist in a religious context as nonbelievers along with Obama believers. A word as apostates clearly is woven in religious intellectual debate used in Sunday school every week and relations to Islamic radicals. A huge notion with deliberate ties to being bitter and not even inserting thoughts about the Reverend Wright is all very telling where Obama could possibly be so left of center he would compromise or even be complicit with Iran, Iraq, or Islam. Which is clearly stated in his book “Audacity of Hope” defines Islamic theology as internationally traditional. Did you get that “traditional” Well America what happened to that Christian anchored believe? McCain and the media see a sweet victory over Obama.

The Chicago Sun-Times Commentary page 25 Monday April 21, 2008

Obama risks alienating newfound GOP fans

By Robert Novak
novakevans@aol.com

Washington – Traveling the country the last few months, I have encountered habitual Republican voters so entranced by Barack Obama’s potential to lead the nation that they plan to vote for him in November. Once Hillary Clinton’s defected supporters return to loyalty, Obama Republicans could produce a Democratic presidential land slide. But Obama’s missteps jeopardize their support and imperial his election.

These apostate Republicans have leaned toward him as an exceptional candidate in the mold of John F. Kennedy and Ronald Reagan, a post-partisan leader and a welcome contrast to George W. Bush’s failed presidency. That impression threatened by Obama’s performance the last ten days, climaxed by Wednesday night’s debate with Hillary Clinton.

Obama’s new resemblance is less to Kennedy or Reagan than to leftist author Thomas frank, whose 2004 book “Whats the Matter With Kansas?’ answer the liberal conundrum: Why do ordinary Americans vote against their own economic interests to support Republicans? Frank explained that”deranged” and “Lunatic” Kansans were led away by Republicans from material concerns to social issues. Obama similarly described small-town Americas turning to guns and the Bible in frustration over government’s failure to take care them- a more genteel version of Frank.

That raises the question “Whats the matter with Obama?”

Almost everybody I encounter in politics is familiar with Frank’s best-seller. Democrats are united in embracing his theory but are divided about its rhetoric. While sophisticated Democratic politicians regard the book as condescending to lower-income Americans, grass-roots activists in the party consider it gospel. They tell me Obama should not back away from what got him in trouble: his declaration in San Francisco that “bitter” small-towns in Pennsylvania and elsewhere “cling to guns or religion.”

Obama and his advisors know better. Though he revealed political inexperience by thinking what he said in San Francisco would stay in San Francisco, he is savvy enough to apologize profusely for “gaffes” and “errors.” But he considers his blunder one of style, not of substance.

The Trick is for Obama to distance himself from the rhetoric while holding to the theory, as restructured in last week’s debate: “Yes [the American people] are in part frustrated and angry” by “manufactured” issues. Indeed, he said beating” to death” this issue is “not helping that person…trying to figure out how to pay the bills at the end of the month.”

Clinton’s effort to brand Obama as elitist has failed to move the poles. Nevertheless, Democratic pros feel that the San Francisco incident halted an Obama surge in Pennsylvania that might have won him the state and ended Clinton’s campaign Tuesday. What really worries them, however, is the impact on Independents and Republicans who had been entranced by the young man from Chicago.

Now they wonder whether the appealing unifier is really a divider.

Obama is trying to change the subject, but he lost his cool demeanor when ABC news questioners Charlie Gibson and George Stephanopoulos returned to his San Francisco statement in Wednesday’s debate, I never before had seen a candidate criticize the moderator or challenge his premises so often(on at least eight occasions).”Look, let me finish my point here, Charlie,” said Obama, after Gibson had interrupted him after a 126-word answer.

The other unprecedented element was the deluge of abuse heaped on the two ABC moderators by television critics and political writers. They object to prolonging what amounts to a debate on “Whats wrong with Obama?” Exploring whether Barack Obama is a modified Thomas Frank does not depend on television talking heads or Hillary Clinton. Supporters of John McCain, seeking to reel back the Obama Republicans, will press the issue from now to November.
Comment at suntimes.com…

Followed by personal insults to boot! Some “Master” Teacher….

BTW, Kerry lost the popular vote too. Some would say Gore did also, but the military was disenfranchised in 2000 (and some like me in 2004) and we primarily vote republican. Oh, and no republic/democracy has ever survived disenfranchising its military vote.. let alone twice…. EXCEPT the United States. Says something about us. Something our anti-American foes abroad and domestically probably will not understand or if they do, will infuriate them as it shows their “small penis” mentality.

martin luther king, jr was a republican
adolf hitler was probably a democrat

who knows, who cares

nowadays this political party crap is used to distract you from the real shit, and make you choose people for candidacy who dont need to be there

Bush obviously doesnt care about a ‘republic’ he lets his go in the dumps…hint hint,.war…recession
and his view on democracy………..oh boy the list will not fit………..lets just say he doesnt care about your vote because he said ‘oh…..im not gone lose’……..we dont vote directly for the president anyway………the primary is probably more important that the national election, the popular vote doesnt choose the president elect and if it did al gore or john kerry would be president right know and they probably would have done the same terrible things that bush has done and doing as we speak

the bottom line is: to post something like “5 reasons why obama wont be president”
means that you might have a small penis or a whack vagina and have way to much time on your hands

by the way ……… i am african-unamerican and i dont care who wins the election because whats gonna happen is gonna happen and one earth dwelling human with a title cant stop it

Always more to the story.

So much for original thinking. Not that I am surprised. Like I suggested earlier, you make quite a good parrot.

But don’t drink that Kool Aid too close to bedtime. You’ll be up all night!

As part of this amendment we can see the little pigs were trying to bring home the bacon:

SA 1802. Mr. COLEMAN (for himself, Mr. DAYTON, Mr. STEVENS, Mr. DORGAN, Mr. KENNEDY, Mr. JOHNSON, Mr. CORZINE, Ms. COLLINS, Mr. GRAHAM of South Carolina, Mr. CONRAD, Mr. SUNUNU, Mr. ALLEN, Mr. BYRD, Mr. PRYOR, Mrs. BOXER, Mr. BUNNING, Mr. LEAHY, and Mr. NELSON of Florida) proposed an amendment to the bill S. 1689, making emergency supplemental appropriations for Iraq and Afghanistan security and reconstruction for the fiscal year ending September 30, 2004, and for other purposes; as follows:
On page 54, between lines 7 and 8, insert the following new section:
SEC. 215. Of the amount provided for the National Marine Fisheries Service in this title under the subheading “OPERATIONS, RESEARCH, AND FACILITIES” under the heading “NATIONAL OCEANIC AND ATMOSPHERIC ADMINISTRATION”, $20,556,000 shall be available for Columbia River hatchery operations for Pacific Salmon as follows:
(1) $13,587,000 for hatcheries and facilities;
(2) $2,052,000 for monitoring, evaluation, and reform; and
(3) $4,917,000 for other facilities.
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/R?r108:FLD001:S12392

In regards to S.AMDT.452, here’s his words on the issue:

Mr. McCAIN. Mr. President, before I get into the amendment, we have made a preliminary examination of the–this is the reason I said to the Senator from Mississippi we may need a few more minutes–we have made a preliminary examination of the bill, and the first time through it, tragically–I say tragically because the title of this bill is “making supplemental appropriations to support Department of Defense operations in Iraq, Department of Homeland Security, and Related Efforts for the fiscal year ending September 30, 2003, and for other purposes.”

The first thing we find is $98 million under the Agriculture Research Service, buildings and facilities, to complete a research center in Ames, IA.

What is that all about? How in the world do you call $98 million for an agricultural research service center in Ames, IA–remember, it is designated for Ames, IA, not Des Moines, IA; Ames, IA,–that fits into a bill that is called “making supplemental appropriations to support Department of Defense operations in Iraq, Department of Homeland Security, and Related Efforts for the fiscal year ending September 30, 2003.” Disgraceful.

We have $1 million for the Jobs for America’s Graduates school-to-work program for at-risk young people. I am sure that is an important program. Someone will have to tell me how that is related to the title of this legislation.

There is $6.8 million from O&M Air Force to build and install fiberoptic and power improvements and upgrades at the 11th Air Force Range in Elmendorf Air Force Base in Alaska.

There is $3 million from O&M Army to build a rifle range for the South Carolina National Guard.

There is $12 million for research, development, test, and evaluation Defense-wide for airfield improvements in Alaska that may be associated–may I emphasize: may be associated–with the ground-based midcourse missile defense program.

There is requiring a study regarding delivery of pediatric health care in northeastern Oklahoma.

There is $225,000 for the Mental Health Association of Tarrant County, TX.

There is $200,000 for the AIDS Research Institute at the

University of California, San Francisco, for developing a county medical program to facilitate clinician exchange between the United States and developing countries.

There is $1 million for the Geisinger Health System, Harrisburg, PA, to establish centers of excellence for the treatment of autism.

Why can’t we, for once–for once–bring forward a bill–especially when we are at war, especially when we have young men and women fighting and dying–that is free of these outrageous kinds of spending? Can’t we do that just once?

Well, now let’s get to the $50 million for the title XI Maritime Loan Program, which is the subject of the amendment.

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Just a little bit of pork thrown in there….

Sorry, couldn’t resist.

Skye55110, there are many reasons bills are sponsored, voted for and against in Congress, especially in the run up to a presidential race. Could you provide the backround data for your cut and paste? Are the services duplicated? Did the troop rest bill hamper the ability to deploy troops? Were the elimination of tax credits a threat to the economy? What was the backround debate for these bills?

Knowing that each and every one of these bills went through a debate period before the vote, there has to be hours of information on record, certainly much more than the one or two sentences that you provide for each bill. Are you not curious about that?

In the spirit of alternate lists, I put forth the following list for everybody’s reading edification: When Obama loses; Top 5 reasons that will be cited by his supporters!
5) The wily machinations of establishment Democrats and the Clintons in particular – Hillary not bowing out when Dean and other radicals called for it has creating continuing friction inside the party and called BHO’s electability into serious question.
4) Americans are warmongers – If Americans refuse to back BHO’s plan to turn-tail and run out of Iraq, then clearly we’re blinded by patriotic fervor (as opposed to understanding that leaving the job unfinished would be infinitely worse than staying the course)
3) Middle America is too busy being “bitter” and “clinging to guns and religion” to have seen BHO’s elitist wisdom – Yes, it really is too bad that Americans haven’t realized that “religion is the opiate of the masses,” and that firearms ownership is passé in DNC circles.
2) Americans at large don’t realize that the Democratic Party as personified by BHO has their best interests at heart – Think “What’s Wrong with Kansas?” on a large scale. Americans’ obsession with “distractions” like character and judgment will have guided them away from the Marxist / Leninist paradise that BHO promises us.
1) Americans are racists – Yes, of course this had to be number one; because you know the “race card” will be trotted out in the event that BHO goes down either at the DNC convention, or on Election Day. Michelle Obama will come on TV and explain how she is again disappointed in America, and that as a black man BHO just couldn’t get elected.

You may be absolutely right about all the reasons you mention. So what options do you offer? Do you prefer Obama or Hillary? If not, what then? Do you think H or O will support the troops any better than McCain appears to?