More Gifts From Obama’s Mentor

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Reverand Wright…the gift that keeps on giving:

The Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr., former pastor of Barack Obama’s Trinity United Church of Christ, has kept a low profile since some of his sermons landed him in the middle of a political firestorm.

But on Saturday Wright made his first extensive public remarks since the controversy began as he paid tribute to his friend, former appellate judge R. Eugene Pincham, a congregant at Trinity since 1987.

While discussing “seven lessons the judge taught me,” Wright never mentioned church member Obama, who has rejected some of Wright’s comments, which included denunciations of America for its mistreatment of black people and claims that America’s promotion of terrorism abroad helped prompt the 9/11 attacks. But Wright did take the opportunity to bash some of the critics of his controversial statements, including Fox News personalities Bill O’Reilly and Sean Hannity.

And while Wright made no mention of terrorism, he did revisit the topic of America’s mistreatment of blacks, saying America’s founding fathers “planted slavery and white supremacy in the DNA of this republic,” and adding that Thomas Jefferson wrote, “ ‘God would punish America for the sin of slavery.’ I guess that makes Thomas Jefferson unpatriotic,” he said to the cheers of the congregation.

Reflecting on the late Pincham, Wright said his faith “was not the jingoistic, chauvinistic ‘you’re either with us or against us’ demonizing kind of faith.” Wright said Pincham was friends with “Jews, Muslims, rabbis, imams, fathers in the Catholic church and [Louis] Farrakhan in the Islamic faith.”

Escalating into full-preaching mode, Wright thundered, “Fox News can’t understand that. [Bill] O’Reilly will never get that. Sean Hannity’s stupid fantasy will keep him forever stuck on stupid when it comes to comprehending how you can love a brother who does not believe what you believe. [Pincham’s] faith was a faith in a God who loved the whole world not just one country or one creed.”

At that point, congregants nearly drowned Wright out with a booming standing ovation.

Wright also referred to Fox News as “Fix News.”

And, talking about Pincham’s integrity and honesty, Wright said, “You don’t change who you are because of where you are. You don’t stop telling the truth because it is not politically correct or it makes a racist uncomfortable. You don’t blame other folks for not fixing some of the problems in our own community that we can and need to fix ourselves.”

Our founding fathers planted slavery as the DNA of this republic. Yeah…

I would argue that the seeds to end slavery (a practice that was used by countries over the world for thousands of years prior to 1776) were planted instead. It took time but less then a hundred years later we fought a civil war to end it. So while it took time I believe that rather then our founding fathers planting the seeds of slavery into this country, they instead planted seeds of dissent that would eventually grow into emancipation.

Either way, this is just one more example of Obama’s mentor using racial politics to divide this country….and Obama follows along like a puppy.

Oh, and check out this statement:

You don’t blame other folks for not fixing some of the problems in our own community that we can and need to fix ourselves.

You don’t blame?  Reverand Wright, this is pretty much ALL you have done in your sermons.  The white man this, the white man that….all to keep the black man down.

What hypocrisy.

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Read the book of Prophet Jeremiah in the Bible. Read the words of Isaiah in the Old Testament. No one condemned the nation of Israel more than these two people. They spoke of the destruction of Israel and Jerusalem for her sins and were written of as “Israel haters” by the people of their day. But the truth is that it happened! These were prophets speaking in the prophetic! So was Jeremiah Wright! He was speaking in the prophetic. I tell you the truth, you Americans are so arrogant in your superpower status. Like Babylon you will fall down because of the mass consumption, lasciviousness and homosexuality that is destroying families. Look at Sodom and Gomorrah and tell me if America is any different. Look at Babylon and tell me if America is any different. The ‘Girls Went Wild’ in Noah’s day and a flood destroyed the entire nation! No Empire will ever rise above the Church of Jesus Christ! Rome fell. Syria fell. Russia fell. The British Empire fell. America will fall! It’s already beginning to fall with the collapse of Wall Street, Housing markets, etc. Your day of reckoning is coming! Trust what the spirit says through prophets like Jeremiah Wright. Remember, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Amos, Obadiah and many other Old Testament prophets condemned their own countries and many of them were written off but their words continue to live on. You do not belive this but you and your descendants will see it with your own eyes!

You are indeed correct that the Founding Fathers of the US did deliberately plant seeds to end slavery in the constitution. The subject of slavery was discussed vehemently during the writing of the Constitution, with many wanting to end slavery explicitly in the consitution. But it would have prevented most of the southern delegates from signing the document.

I would also like to note that the practice of enslaving black Africans began long before the America was colonized. Additionally, I recently read a blog that as recently as 35 years ago, slave markets still exist in Mecca, where westerners and non Islamists are not permitted to go. And they still sell African blacks there.

The use of African slaves on American plantations did result in the largest group of African slaves in one place, but it was by no means a new cultural phenomenon.

The U.S. was where the ignominy of slavery was first publicly articulated and condemned. It was white Americans who initiated the abolition movement.

Mickey,I dont know how you can defend Rev.Wright.America is far from perfect but what country is? When Wright was busy damning America for bombing Japan,why didnt he also damn the Japanese for raping Nanking? And then damn the Chinese for what theyve done to Tibet…and circle the globe damning every genocide,war and dictatorship.America has done alot of wrong but its also done alot of good.Its very easy to point faults (and they should be adressed) but the problems of the world dont all fall on our shoulders.

Mickey: If you had a point it got lost in the Tower of Babble.

Mickey, I’m not going to debate your Biblical scholarship, except to say that we’re living in the New Testament world, not the Old Testament one.
On that point is where I’m going to rip into Jeremiah Wright, because what he preaches in his sermons is a doctrine of hate in general; and a doctrine of black victimhood / ultimate superiority that is anathema to anything that passed out of Christ’s lips. If anything, it’s more akin to what is preached by the Nation of Islam.
However, history is a strong suit of mine, and I can confidently say that your historical comparisons are largely spurious as well. Babylon, and later the Persian (I think that’s what you meant by “Syria”) Empires were autocracies, ruled by a single king, and bear little semblance to the American republic. They suffered from the usual maladies that autocracies do, and withered as a result. As for Soviet Russia (also autocratic in its own fashion), it fell apart because its doctrine was odious to those that it was forced upon, as evidenced by the peoples of Eastern Europe rejecting it in masse in 1989. The British Empire declined not just because it forced a colonial hierarchy on the territories it controlled (which it might have been able to maintain), but more so because it was engaged on the front-lines of two world wars (France and Germany declined for the same reason). In spite of hysterics by those critical of our interventions in Iraq and Afghanistan, neither of those is draining our treasury at any approximation of the rate that WWI and WWII destroyed the economies of the states on the front-lines.
I will grant that the U.S. does share certain similarities with the Roman Republic, but not the Empire: Pax Romana & Pax Americana, representative government, and citizen soldiers. We are exhibiting some of its flaws as well, though not to a catastrophic degree. Most importantly though, we do not actually conquer and subjugate nations that we have quarrel with; we invade, relieve them of oppression and install a democracy, then depart (perhaps leaving a military base or two behind, but no longer interfering with the nation’s politics or society), like in Germany, Japan, Panama, and our intervention to save South Korea from Communist invasion. Rome actually took up permanent residence, deployed governors, colonists and the like. But, like Rome, America also attracts immigrants from all over the world, who seek a better “freer” life for themselves. Rome’s flaws, and ultimate descent are a lesson to be learned from – not an inevitability. American power, if it declines, will be because of our own failure to maintain it, not because of what you seem to perceive as our hubris. History is a great source for learning from mankind’s previous mistakes, not some sort of “fate” prediction.
Finally, an economics lesson for you; what we are entering is called a “recession,” they come and go as an annoying part of the economic cycle (as of yet, no one has been able to invent a recession proof economy). We’ve had them before and come out of them; we’ll have them again in the future too. Even when we had a full scale “depression” in the 1930’s, that did not result in the U.S. imploding or such. Back then people predicted it as the end of Capitalism too, so your tone doesn’t surprise me, but as anyone can see, that wasn’t borne out empirically.

America and ancient Israel cannot be compared on contemporaneous notions of nation-statehood — one is a republic, the other was a theocracy. Given this, Jeremiah and Isaiah occupied much different, and integral roles, in their day, than does someone like Rev. Wright today. For one, as a theocracy, Israel’s prophets were commissioned directly by God to point out the sins of the Israelites, who had repeatedly broken the covenant relationship they agreed to. These prophets came with morally justifiable concerns, and indictments, on where Israel had transgressed the law.

Rev. Wright and others like him, repeatedly circulate false statements about America, HIV was created by the government, crack-cocaine is a ploy to keep blacks down, and the wanton use of atomic weapons on innocent civilians. Add to this rank anti-Semitism and hatred of white people, and you have the makings of a deranged personality, not the moral voice of one sent by God.

America, a nation that has given billions to help the poor in Africa, billions to help those in Indonesia (during the Tsunami), and billions to liberate two nations from monstrous tyranny (Iraq and Afghanistan), and most of all, 4,000 + brave men and women, our greatest treasure, who gave their lives for our freedom and others’ freedom; America cannot nor must not be compared with a profligate Israel who neglected the poor among them, perverted justice on numerous scales, and made allegiances with pagan cultures who were historically monstrous and evil.

A introductory course in biblical literacy is in order for Mickey, and for men like Rev. Wright, Fr. Michael Pfleger. and Rev. Eric Lee.

Wright is…

Isiah? Samuel? Jeremiah? Jacob?Isaac?Joshua?

oh, for the love of god.

He’s a mental midget. And these characters are partly mythological. We need flesh and blood–not stories…not half crazed egomaniacs.

Mauretania had slavery til the 1980s. Saudis had slavery til the 1960s.

The Sudanese are almost certainly up to no good today. normally it’s to do with sexual slavery and once upon a time Eunuchs. It went on for about 1300 years among Muslims. Approx 20 million trafficed to Muslim or Arab traders. Ironic considering the charter for the NOI. Before the 1650s Eurpeans normally enslaved their lower classes in serfdom–Muslims plundered Sub-saharan africa for slaves more persistently and continuously than the Americans and Europeans.

The unique thing about the West and slavery is that slavery was self consciously abolished and never practiced in the domestic territory (of the UK France Holland etc). In Eastern Europe The Russians had serfs until the 1860s–blond hair blue eyed slaves! About the same time that the US abolished the practise.

The antebellum south was an aberration even within the British Empire and later the US where land was normally expropriated from natives and settled by immigrants from Europe. It is exclusively associated with the cash crops of Tobacco, Cotton and Sugar.

The engaged in quite a bit of the trade in the 18th century but ultimately it was always unpopular with many people within the western countries that allowed it.

Two things:

The American Civil War was not fought to end slavery. It is insulting to the Southerners who died for you to claim a moral high ground that did not exist. The abolition of slavery was a result of the war, not the reason.

You do not know what the Rev. Wright’s sermons have been saying about blame and responsibilty. You are basing your opinion on soundbites.

Dan:

“And these characters are partly mythological”

Show me how you can justify this statement.

If you take the stories in the bible literally, anfd the characters in it as historically reliable, that’s your own business.

i’m not here to argue that point.

Fit fit, time to call you on your errors. While initially (1861 – 1863) the American Civil War was fought to keep the union together, post the Emancipation Proclamation (1863 – 1865), the war added another de facto goal of ending slavery. So, whether it was started over that or not, the important thing is that in the end, that became a defining feature of it. Also, you should take into account that the reason that the southern states broke away in the first place was that an anti-slavery Republican (Lincoln) was elected, and they feared that federal laws would be used to overturn an institution that was legal on the state level. Yes, that’s a states’ rights argument, but the legality of slavery was intertwined with the times, witness the tortured Kansas-Nebraska Act and the like. If any people from the south are pining for the “good old days of the CSA” I’m not particularly worried if they feel insulted by my taking of the moral high ground. Fortunately, if anything I think people from the southern states are a more patriotic lot (and not in a waving the Confederate Flag way) in the modern day; witness the fact that they make up a disproportionate number of the personnel in our Armed Services.
Also, I’m curious how I could be unclear about where Jeremiah Wright is placing blame when he explicitly states in what you call a “sound-bite” that the U.S. (white) Government is responsible for cooking up the HIV virus to spread amongst the black population? There’s not much to be confused about there Fit fit, so I think you’re trying the cheap “you haven’t sat through all his sermons” tactic to divert away the well deserved censure that he and his disciple BHO are taking because of his hateful message.

The Civil War was, in essence, fought over the issue of slavery, the Dems being for and the Reps being against. In fact…

The Republican Party was founded in 1854 by a group of renegade Democrats, Whigs, and political independents who opposed the expansion of SLAVERY into new U.S. territories and states. What began as a single-issue, independent party became a major political force in the United States. Six years after the new party was formed, Republican nominee ABRAHAM LINCOLN won the U.S. presidential election.”

360,000 union lives were lost, over 100,000 in combat, to keep the USA together and to free the slaves. It seems to me that in stead of reparations, which is one of Wright’s (and probably Barack’s) agendas, they owe White Americans a thank you, – well, at least Republicans and their supporters, anyway.

Machiavelli,

As I said, it was a result of the war not the reason. You called me on the carpet to echo my point?

Rev. Wright said several other things just as stupid as the HIV remark (white people killed Jesus) but Curt’s statement about blaming: “this is pretty much ALL you have done in your sermons” is not true. You don’t have to sit through “all his sermons” to get that.

Let me quote your first comment here Fit fit: “The American Civil War was not fought to end slavery… The abolition of slavery was a result of the war, not the reason.”
Now, look again at what I wrote: “While initially (1861 – 1863) the American Civil War was fought to keep the union together, post the Emancipation Proclamation (1863 – 1865), the war added another de facto goal of ending slavery. So, whether it was started over that or not, the important thing is that in the end, that became a defining feature of it.”
You seem to think that the end of slavery is merely a RESULT of the Civil War, not a REASON for it being fought.
Whereas, once Lincoln laid down the Emancipation Proclamation, the end of slavery became a doctrine of the Union, and it became a GOAL of the Union; hence a REASON to prosecute the war. Attempting to say that because preservation of the Union was the first reason for the Civil War somehow invalidates the abolition of slavery as a secondary reason for fighting the war is disingenuous. So no, I’m not “echoing” your point, I’m pointing out the error in your reasoning.

How can something that sounds so Wright be so Wrong?