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		<title>By: Flopping Aces » Blog Archive &#187; Sistani Calling For Jihad Against US Troops?</title>
		<link>http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/04/10/sistani-tells-sadr-to-lay-down-arms/#comment-69167</link>
		<dc:creator>Flopping Aces » Blog Archive &#187; Sistani Calling For Jihad Against US Troops?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 04:12:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] just look here to see how the many aides to Sistani gave different answers to different people to the same [...]</description>
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		<title>By: crosspatch</title>
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		<dc:creator>crosspatch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 19:25:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sistani keeps this up and the Iranians are going to pop a cap in his rear.</description>
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		<title>By: wesmorgan1</title>
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		<dc:creator>wesmorgan1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 16:24:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a mess....that NY Post article doesn't name any sources at all, other than "analysts in Tehran."  I can't find anything on Iran's news agency website that talks about this at all; where's that "de facto confirmed" stuff?

My inner cynic says that this is ALL smoke.  I'm not believing any of it until I see Mahdi Army fighters turning in their weapons.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a mess&#8230;.that NY Post article doesn&#8217;t name any sources at all, other than &#8220;analysts in Tehran.&#8221;  I can&#8217;t find anything on Iran&#8217;s news agency website that talks about this at all; where&#8217;s that &#8220;de facto confirmed&#8221; stuff?</p>
<p>My inner cynic says that this is ALL smoke.  I&#8217;m not believing any of it until I see Mahdi Army fighters turning in their weapons.</p>
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		<title>By: doug</title>
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		<dc:creator>doug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 03:26:38 +0000</pubDate>
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Sadr: Sistani told me to keep the Mahdi Army; SCIRI: No, he didn’t
Hot Air ^ &#124; April 10, 2008 12:25 pm &#124; Allahpundit

Posted on Thursday, April 10, 2008 3:00:08 PM by Ernest_at_the_Beach

And so this idiotic saga of “did he or didn’t he,” launched by Sadr’s announcement that he’d disband the JAM if Shiite clerics told him to, reaches its absurd conclusion. Because Sistani won’t talk to the press himself, we’re left to divine his intentions from intermediaries. Surprise: Sadr’s people say he gave them the thumbs up and Sadr’s chief rivals for Shiite supremacy say he gave them the thumbs down. Sort of. The thumbs up version:

    The influential Iraqi Shiite cleric Moqtada Sadr said his clerical advisers, including Grand Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani, rejected calls to disband the Mahdi Army.

    Salah al-Obaidi, the spokesman for Sadr, said the cleric issued his decision in a statement following a meeting with Sistani and Ayatollah Kazem al-Haeri in Qom, Iran.

    The statement reiterated Sadr’s call for an end to the apparent politically motivated violence in Iraq by urging all parties to solve their issues through comprehensive dialogue, Voices of Iraq said.

And the thumbs down, via Bill Roggio:

    Leading figure in Supreme Iraqi Islamic Council [i.e. SCIRI], Jalal el-Din al-Saghier, said on Tuesday that dissolving the al-Mahdi army is Shiite Cleric Muqtada al-Sadr’s responsibility, asserting that top Shiite Cleric Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani has nothing to do with this militia as al-Sadr did not consult the SIIC when he established it.

    “Al-Sistani has a clear opinion in this regard; the law is the only authority in the country,” al-Saghier told Aswat al-Iraq – Voices of Iraq (VOI)…

    “Al-Sistani asked al-Mahdi army to give in weapons to the government,” the Shiite official said.

Whom to believe? They’re not absolutely contradictory; it’s possible that the clerics want him to disarm but will leave the disbanding up to him, although that read seems a bit overly nuanced given the politics at stake here. In which case … whom to believe? It’s worth noting that I can’t find the thumbs up version on the VOI website, although UPI’s a credible enough agency that I’ll take their word that it’s there. Even so there are still two problems. First, the source is Salah al-Obeidi, whose story seems to change by the hour: Initially he said Iraq’s Shiite clerics refused to order Sadr to disband, then he said Sadr had never asked them in the first place, now he’s claiming that Sadr did ask them and, whaddaya know, they’re on his side. Second, note that the meeting between him, Sistani, and Haeri allegedly took place in Iran. My understanding is that Sistani rarely leaves Najaf, and almost certainly wouldn’t be at the beck and call of a low-level punk like Sadr, whatever political power he may wield. He might have been in Qom on other business since it is, after all, a Shiite holy city, but I can’t find any reports on the wires about him traveling. In fact, two days ago Reuters reported that Sadr was forming a delegation to visit Sistani — in Najaf. Maybe they met and convinced him to come back with them to Iran for talk? Or maybe it’s just a big pile of Muq-brand bullshinola. Either way, sounds like he’s keeping his army.
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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1999608/posts

VOI is a virgin news service, only a couple years old and they can't even fund themselves yet. They're a freshmen start-up service with no source crediblity; to pull from them to support something like this is  very risky business. This new twist on the story has now been out there for what, over 11 hours, and no other news agency is running with it or even examining it? ... that should tell you something.</description>
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<p>Sadr: Sistani told me to keep the Mahdi Army; SCIRI: No, he didn’t<br />
Hot Air ^ | April 10, 2008 12:25 pm | Allahpundit</p>
<p>Posted on Thursday, April 10, 2008 3:00:08 PM by Ernest_at_the_Beach</p>
<p>And so this idiotic saga of “did he or didn’t he,” launched by Sadr’s announcement that he’d disband the JAM if Shiite clerics told him to, reaches its absurd conclusion. Because Sistani won’t talk to the press himself, we’re left to divine his intentions from intermediaries. Surprise: Sadr’s people say he gave them the thumbs up and Sadr’s chief rivals for Shiite supremacy say he gave them the thumbs down. Sort of. The thumbs up version:</p>
<p>    The influential Iraqi Shiite cleric Moqtada Sadr said his clerical advisers, including Grand Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani, rejected calls to disband the Mahdi Army.</p>
<p>    Salah al-Obaidi, the spokesman for Sadr, said the cleric issued his decision in a statement following a meeting with Sistani and Ayatollah Kazem al-Haeri in Qom, Iran.</p>
<p>    The statement reiterated Sadr’s call for an end to the apparent politically motivated violence in Iraq by urging all parties to solve their issues through comprehensive dialogue, Voices of Iraq said.</p>
<p>And the thumbs down, via Bill Roggio:</p>
<p>    Leading figure in Supreme Iraqi Islamic Council [i.e. SCIRI], Jalal el-Din al-Saghier, said on Tuesday that dissolving the al-Mahdi army is Shiite Cleric Muqtada al-Sadr’s responsibility, asserting that top Shiite Cleric Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani has nothing to do with this militia as al-Sadr did not consult the SIIC when he established it.</p>
<p>    “Al-Sistani has a clear opinion in this regard; the law is the only authority in the country,” al-Saghier told Aswat al-Iraq – Voices of Iraq (VOI)…</p>
<p>    “Al-Sistani asked al-Mahdi army to give in weapons to the government,” the Shiite official said.</p>
<p>Whom to believe? They’re not absolutely contradictory; it’s possible that the clerics want him to disarm but will leave the disbanding up to him, although that read seems a bit overly nuanced given the politics at stake here. In which case … whom to believe? It’s worth noting that I can’t find the thumbs up version on the VOI website, although UPI’s a credible enough agency that I’ll take their word that it’s there. Even so there are still two problems. First, the source is Salah al-Obeidi, whose story seems to change by the hour: Initially he said Iraq’s Shiite clerics refused to order Sadr to disband, then he said Sadr had never asked them in the first place, now he’s claiming that Sadr did ask them and, whaddaya know, they’re on his side. Second, note that the meeting between him, Sistani, and Haeri allegedly took place in Iran. My understanding is that Sistani rarely leaves Najaf, and almost certainly wouldn’t be at the beck and call of a low-level punk like Sadr, whatever political power he may wield. He might have been in Qom on other business since it is, after all, a Shiite holy city, but I can’t find any reports on the wires about him traveling. In fact, two days ago Reuters reported that Sadr was forming a delegation to visit Sistani — in Najaf. Maybe they met and convinced him to come back with them to Iran for talk? Or maybe it’s just a big pile of Muq-brand bullshinola. Either way, sounds like he’s keeping his army.
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<p>VOI is a virgin news service, only a couple years old and they can&#8217;t even fund themselves yet. They&#8217;re a freshmen start-up service with no source crediblity; to pull from them to support something like this is  very risky business. This new twist on the story has now been out there for what, over 11 hours, and no other news agency is running with it or even examining it? &#8230; that should tell you something.</p>
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		<title>By: Gregory Dittman</title>
		<link>http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/04/10/sistani-tells-sadr-to-lay-down-arms/#comment-36393</link>
		<dc:creator>Gregory Dittman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 22:59:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maliki didn't put on a headband, grab an AK-47 and start mowing down thugs in Basra as if he was the Iraqi version of Rambo.  Iran's gamble was with the Iraqi's government's chain of command and the Iraqi's faith in their government.  Iran lost in that respect because the Iraqis proved they will fight for their democracy.  I wouldn't be surprised if Iran is trying to get Al-Sadr to be a puppet ruler of Iraq and it isn't working well for either Iran or Al-Sadr.  

The October elections will probably go smoother than the Egyptian elections and those elections are looking bad for Al-Sadr each day the date gets closer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maliki didn&#8217;t put on a headband, grab an AK-47 and start mowing down thugs in Basra as if he was the Iraqi version of Rambo.  Iran&#8217;s gamble was with the Iraqi&#8217;s government&#8217;s chain of command and the Iraqi&#8217;s faith in their government.  Iran lost in that respect because the Iraqis proved they will fight for their democracy.  I wouldn&#8217;t be surprised if Iran is trying to get Al-Sadr to be a puppet ruler of Iraq and it isn&#8217;t working well for either Iran or Al-Sadr.  </p>
<p>The October elections will probably go smoother than the Egyptian elections and those elections are looking bad for Al-Sadr each day the date gets closer.</p>
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		<title>By: Cao</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cao</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 22:44:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Igor R.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Igor R.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 22:43:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maliki is exceeding all expectations.  He speaks softly, if at all, carries a big stick, and doesn't hesitate to use it.</description>
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