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		<title>By: yonason</title>
		<link>http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/04/10/jihadists-attack-own-fuel-supply-in-gaza/#comment-37661</link>
		<dc:creator>yonason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Apr 2008 03:47:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ChrisG

Yeah, I'm pretty sure that the first 2 were converts, though I didn't think Pearl's killer was.  I havn't looked at those relationships in the depth you have, and Sheik Mubarak Ali Gilani isn't in my mental database, but will be now.  Now, when I look him up, I find this about him and his Jamaat ul-Fuqra

&lt;b&gt;"The best positioned group to help al-Qaeda launch an attack in the US."&lt;/b&gt;
http://www.newenglishreview.org/custpage.cfm/frm/17855/sec_id/17855

Looks like you have your eye on (one of) the right target(s).

(I say "one of" so as not to exclude the others which are certainly there, but of which we know a lot less.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ChrisG</p>
<p>Yeah, I&#8217;m pretty sure that the first 2 were converts, though I didn&#8217;t think Pearl&#8217;s killer was.  I havn&#8217;t looked at those relationships in the depth you have, and Sheik Mubarak Ali Gilani isn&#8217;t in my mental database, but will be now.  Now, when I look him up, I find this about him and his Jamaat ul-Fuqra</p>
<p><b>&#8220;The best positioned group to help al-Qaeda launch an attack in the US.&#8221;</b><br />
<a href="http://www.newenglishreview.org/custpage.cfm/frm/17855/sec_id/17855" rel="nofollow">http://www.newenglishreview.org/custpage.cfm/frm/17855/sec_id/17855</a></p>
<p>Looks like you have your eye on (one of) the right target(s).</p>
<p>(I say &#8220;one of&#8221; so as not to exclude the others which are certainly there, but of which we know a lot less.)</p>
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		<title>By: ChrisG</title>
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		<dc:creator>ChrisG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 19:58:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Coverts is close.  The answer however was a man's name.  That man is Sheik Mubarak Ali Gilani who founded and leads the Jamaat ul-Fuqra.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Coverts is close.  The answer however was a man&#8217;s name.  That man is Sheik Mubarak Ali Gilani who founded and leads the Jamaat ul-Fuqra.</p>
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		<title>By: yonason</title>
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		<dc:creator>yonason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 06:43:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris G,
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The category is "Terrorists" for $800:

&lt;em&gt;“The Beltway Sniper”, Richard Reid, and barbarians who killed Danial Pearl all have this in common, besides sharing the same religion.&lt;/a&gt;

"What are "Converts," Alex?"
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Well, it would be nice if you could get the FBI "interested" in those freaks, whoever they are.  I really need to go shopping for a weapon, ...or 2.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris G,<br />
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The category is &#8220;Terrorists&#8221; for $800:</p>
<p><em>“The Beltway Sniper”, Richard Reid, and barbarians who killed Danial Pearl all have this in common, besides sharing the same religion.</p>
<p>&#8220;What are &#8220;Converts,&#8221; Alex?&#8221;<br />
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Well, it would be nice if you could get the FBI &#8220;interested&#8221; in those freaks, whoever they are.  I really need to go shopping for a weapon, &#8230;or 2.</em></p>
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		<title>By: ChrisG</title>
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		<dc:creator>ChrisG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 02:36:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yonason,

My grandfathers were Army Air Corps (now passed on) and USN Aviation (who later worked on Project Thunderstorm).  My wife's one remaining grandfather was a landing ship commander in the Pacific.  Her grandfather made 188 beach landings.  187 under fire, 1 for training.

We have no idea what Hell is.  Even being to Iraq, the Hell of Kaserine Pass, Tarawa, Bataan, Wake, Okinawa, D-Day, The Bulge, Market Garden, Kursk, Stalingrad, and many others are beyond my scope of comprehension in the way of losses and plain misery.

Funny you should mention that charter school.  I am gathering details for a post on Islamic terrorists WITHIN the USA who have training bases in Virginia and New York.  They have been here for almost 30 years.  The "Kuffer"/"Kafir" residence (i.e. non-Muslims) are terrified into silence at what is happening around them and the leftist mayor of one such city is not only silent about what is going on in these walled-off camps, but allowing these fools to hold parades in his town as he bashes the President.  If a so-called 'militia' group had half as much firepower and other violations as these islamofascists do, the BATF and FBI would be all over them.

Here is a hint on the group:  What do "The Beltway Sniper", Richard Reid, and barbarians who killed Danial Pearl have in common besides sharing the same religion?

The answer is a man's name.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yonason,</p>
<p>My grandfathers were Army Air Corps (now passed on) and USN Aviation (who later worked on Project Thunderstorm).  My wife&#8217;s one remaining grandfather was a landing ship commander in the Pacific.  Her grandfather made 188 beach landings.  187 under fire, 1 for training.</p>
<p>We have no idea what Hell is.  Even being to Iraq, the Hell of Kaserine Pass, Tarawa, Bataan, Wake, Okinawa, D-Day, The Bulge, Market Garden, Kursk, Stalingrad, and many others are beyond my scope of comprehension in the way of losses and plain misery.</p>
<p>Funny you should mention that charter school.  I am gathering details for a post on Islamic terrorists WITHIN the USA who have training bases in Virginia and New York.  They have been here for almost 30 years.  The &#8220;Kuffer&#8221;/&#8221;Kafir&#8221; residence (i.e. non-Muslims) are terrified into silence at what is happening around them and the leftist mayor of one such city is not only silent about what is going on in these walled-off camps, but allowing these fools to hold parades in his town as he bashes the President.  If a so-called &#8216;militia&#8217; group had half as much firepower and other violations as these islamofascists do, the BATF and FBI would be all over them.</p>
<p>Here is a hint on the group:  What do &#8220;The Beltway Sniper&#8221;, Richard Reid, and barbarians who killed Danial Pearl have in common besides sharing the same religion?</p>
<p>The answer is a man&#8217;s name.</p>
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		<title>By: yonason</title>
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		<dc:creator>yonason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 02:16:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Speaking of attacking oneself, ...
http://kstp.com/article/stories/S407036.shtml

I found that over at DrBulldog ...
http://doctorbulldog.wordpress.com/2008/04/10/local-television-station-finally-reports-on-islamic-school-paid-for-by-tax-payers/

Under our noses,  the cancer spreads.

You might want to record the video in case they "have" to take it down soon.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speaking of attacking oneself, &#8230;<br />
<a href="http://kstp.com/article/stories/S407036.shtml" rel="nofollow">http://kstp.com/article/stories/S407036.shtml</a></p>
<p>I found that over at DrBulldog &#8230;<br />
<a href="http://doctorbulldog.wordpress.com/2008/04/10/local-television-station-finally-reports-on-islamic-school-paid-for-by-tax-payers/" rel="nofollow">http://doctorbulldog.wordpress.com/2008/04/10/local-television-station-finally-reports-on-islamic-school-paid-for-by-tax-payers/</a></p>
<p>Under our noses,  the cancer spreads.</p>
<p>You might want to record the video in case they &#8220;have&#8221; to take it down soon.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom the Redhunter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom the Redhunter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 02:09:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And these people want their own country?</description>
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		<title>By: yonason</title>
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		<dc:creator>yonason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 01:38:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ChrisG

Thanks, but if you think of anything else... (not like that isn't enough)

I think I'm beginning to see how my Dad must have felt in the face of Hitler, Japan and then Stalin.    My Dad was with the 1st Marines at Quadalcanal, and one of his brothers was at the Bulge.  I can't even begin to imagine what it must have been like in a world in that much Chaos.  

The more I learn of the history of that time, the more in awe I am of that generation.  Funny thing, our leaders weren't much different then than they are now, so, G-d willing, maybe we'll manage to get through this as well.  One can hope (as long as one also works for success, or at least doesn't work against it)

Oh, yes, and I know I was a little redundant, but I repeated some of what you and others said in order to paint what I am able to see of the big picture.  I don't think we can solve any individual problem until we see that the whole process is all wrong.  A completely new direction needs to be taken.  Until then, we will continue to make the same mistakes, fall into all the same traps, and only make matters worse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ChrisG</p>
<p>Thanks, but if you think of anything else&#8230; (not like that isn&#8217;t enough)</p>
<p>I think I&#8217;m beginning to see how my Dad must have felt in the face of Hitler, Japan and then Stalin.    My Dad was with the 1st Marines at Quadalcanal, and one of his brothers was at the Bulge.  I can&#8217;t even begin to imagine what it must have been like in a world in that much Chaos.  </p>
<p>The more I learn of the history of that time, the more in awe I am of that generation.  Funny thing, our leaders weren&#8217;t much different then than they are now, so, G-d willing, maybe we&#8217;ll manage to get through this as well.  One can hope (as long as one also works for success, or at least doesn&#8217;t work against it)</p>
<p>Oh, yes, and I know I was a little redundant, but I repeated some of what you and others said in order to paint what I am able to see of the big picture.  I don&#8217;t think we can solve any individual problem until we see that the whole process is all wrong.  A completely new direction needs to be taken.  Until then, we will continue to make the same mistakes, fall into all the same traps, and only make matters worse.</p>
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		<title>By: ChrisG</title>
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		<dc:creator>ChrisG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 01:30:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yonason,

No, I think you pretty much covered all the points I was trying to make and then some.</description>
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<p>No, I think you pretty much covered all the points I was trying to make and then some.</p>
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		<title>By: yonason</title>
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		<dc:creator>yonason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 00:40:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href="http://www.dizpins.com/events/2002_event/images/madhatter.jpg" rel="nofollow"&gt;Don't leth be thilly!&lt;/a&gt; -- Ban Key Moonbat

You see, the Placentinians will end up suffering more, and the world will only blame it on "the joooooos." They get to attack us, and they get to play the victim, and if we attack them back in self-defense they will accuse us of perpetuating "the cycle of violence," and the whole World eats it up and screams for more concessions to terror.  It's a win win win situation for them.

It's not that they are terribly clever as much as it is that the world (including the US as per Foggy Bottom) sides with these buggers against us (and America, as we all know by now).  

I don't care if Mr. Bush would want to stay out of it if he thinks that America's interests would otherwise be hurt, but for him to side with them in demanding Israel destroy productive Jewish communities, commit ethnic cleansing against ourselves from OUR land in order to cede territory to the savages, divide Israel up so they can have a contiguous terrorist state, divide Jerusalem so we can "share" it with the beasts, and on top of that for him to train their military, give them funding and the weapons which they use to kill us, ...well, that's more than just too much.

And, what does America gain?  The Paleostinians still hate America, kill Americans, and align themselves with terrorists including Al Qaeda (with whom I wouldn't be surprised if they acted as "consultants" on that 9/11 job), while the whole Arab world hates us all, because they envy our freedom and prosperity and want to stamp it out.  What a bargain!

Did I miss anything?

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.dizpins.com/events/2002_event/images/madhatter.jpg" rel="nofollow">Don&#8217;t leth be thilly!</a> &#8212; Ban Key Moonbat</p>
<p>You see, the Placentinians will end up suffering more, and the world will only blame it on &#8220;the joooooos.&#8221; They get to attack us, and they get to play the victim, and if we attack them back in self-defense they will accuse us of perpetuating &#8220;the cycle of violence,&#8221; and the whole World eats it up and screams for more concessions to terror.  It&#8217;s a win win win situation for them.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not that they are terribly clever as much as it is that the world (including the US as per Foggy Bottom) sides with these buggers against us (and America, as we all know by now).  </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t care if Mr. Bush would want to stay out of it if he thinks that America&#8217;s interests would otherwise be hurt, but for him to side with them in demanding Israel destroy productive Jewish communities, commit ethnic cleansing against ourselves from OUR land in order to cede territory to the savages, divide Israel up so they can have a contiguous terrorist state, divide Jerusalem so we can &#8220;share&#8221; it with the beasts, and on top of that for him to train their military, give them funding and the weapons which they use to kill us, &#8230;well, that&#8217;s more than just too much.</p>
<p>And, what does America gain?  The Paleostinians still hate America, kill Americans, and align themselves with terrorists including Al Qaeda (with whom I wouldn&#8217;t be surprised if they acted as &#8220;consultants&#8221; on that 9/11 job), while the whole Arab world hates us all, because they envy our freedom and prosperity and want to stamp it out.  What a bargain!</p>
<p>Did I miss anything?</p>
<p>/RANT = OFF/</p>
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		<title>By: ChrisG</title>
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		<dc:creator>ChrisG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 23:00:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Machiavelli,

You kind of answered you question.  HAMAS/Hezbollah will not target the Mk IVs but instead will go after M113s, APCs, and other softer targets (like medical vehicles).  The only problem with the new TROPHY system is, well, it's new and it may get a trial by fire soon.  I have to read up on it more but the US has issues with using APS on our vehicles since most of the systems are explosive in nature.  Even if they were not, the incoming warhead usually is.  If HAMAS "hugs" the IDF vehicles with "civilians", or fire over their heads, and causes the TROPHY APS to detonate over said "civilians" heads, we could see a lot of blood on CNN.

Of course, the media will be there to record it all and watch Green Helmet Man save the poor "civilians" (which I put in quotes as they are "involuntary martyrs" at best, willing human shields at worse).  And the Western Media falls for it hook, line, and "stinker" without question every time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Machiavelli,</p>
<p>You kind of answered you question.  HAMAS/Hezbollah will not target the Mk IVs but instead will go after M113s, APCs, and other softer targets (like medical vehicles).  The only problem with the new TROPHY system is, well, it&#8217;s new and it may get a trial by fire soon.  I have to read up on it more but the US has issues with using APS on our vehicles since most of the systems are explosive in nature.  Even if they were not, the incoming warhead usually is.  If HAMAS &#8220;hugs&#8221; the IDF vehicles with &#8220;civilians&#8221;, or fire over their heads, and causes the TROPHY APS to detonate over said &#8220;civilians&#8221; heads, we could see a lot of blood on CNN.</p>
<p>Of course, the media will be there to record it all and watch Green Helmet Man save the poor &#8220;civilians&#8221; (which I put in quotes as they are &#8220;involuntary martyrs&#8221; at best, willing human shields at worse).  And the Western Media falls for it hook, line, and &#8220;stinker&#8221; without question every time.</p>
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		<title>By: Machiavelli</title>
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		<dc:creator>Machiavelli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 21:40:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This would be funny, for the pure irony that the main thing these Palestinian terrorists accomplished was to shut down their own power. But, as we all very well know, soon the MSM will be all over Israel for having "provoked" a "humanitarian crisis," and every news anchor, leftist NGO, and wide swathes of the UN will jump all over Israel for having the gaul to exist.
On a purely technical note; Chris, you don't like the chances of the Israeli Merkava IV's with their new TROPHY systems in Gaza or Southern Lebanon? Granted, all Israeli tanks aren't mark IV's, and with any military deployment there will of course be plenty of soft-skinned vehicles and infantry for the Palestinians to target. Especially given that the Israeli RoE's are quite strict.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This would be funny, for the pure irony that the main thing these Palestinian terrorists accomplished was to shut down their own power. But, as we all very well know, soon the MSM will be all over Israel for having &#8220;provoked&#8221; a &#8220;humanitarian crisis,&#8221; and every news anchor, leftist NGO, and wide swathes of the UN will jump all over Israel for having the gaul to exist.<br />
On a purely technical note; Chris, you don&#8217;t like the chances of the Israeli Merkava IV&#8217;s with their new TROPHY systems in Gaza or Southern Lebanon? Granted, all Israeli tanks aren&#8217;t mark IV&#8217;s, and with any military deployment there will of course be plenty of soft-skinned vehicles and infantry for the Palestinians to target. Especially given that the Israeli RoE&#8217;s are quite strict.</p>
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		<title>By: ChrisG</title>
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		<dc:creator>ChrisG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 20:43:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Curt,

The Telegraph article I linked to (RE: natural gas) has a comment section full of Israel bashers who think the people known as "Palestinians" are pure as the wind driven snow while the "evil zionists" are the "oppressors".

These fools forget (as usual) that the reverse is true.  One of the best examples I saw of this was that "Palestinian" homosexuals, who would be stoned to death in Gaza or the West Bank, can meet openly in Israel....  and then have the audacity to call Israel the "oppressor".</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Curt,</p>
<p>The Telegraph article I linked to (RE: natural gas) has a comment section full of Israel bashers who think the people known as &#8220;Palestinians&#8221; are pure as the wind driven snow while the &#8220;evil zionists&#8221; are the &#8220;oppressors&#8221;.</p>
<p>These fools forget (as usual) that the reverse is true.  One of the best examples I saw of this was that &#8220;Palestinian&#8221; homosexuals, who would be stoned to death in Gaza or the West Bank, can meet openly in Israel&#8230;.  and then have the audacity to call Israel the &#8220;oppressor&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 20:33:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can I get a "NO BLOOD FOR OIL"?  

Anyone?

C'mon...there's GOT to be a Bush-bashing, protester out there SOMEWHERE?!!!

NO
BLOOD
FOR
OIL!

..hmph, guess we should be quiet if the terrorists do stuff like this, right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can I get a &#8220;NO BLOOD FOR OIL&#8221;?  </p>
<p>Anyone?</p>
<p>C&#8217;mon&#8230;there&#8217;s GOT to be a Bush-bashing, protester out there SOMEWHERE?!!!</p>
<p>NO<br />
BLOOD<br />
FOR<br />
OIL!</p>
<p>..hmph, guess we should be quiet if the terrorists do stuff like this, right?</p>
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		<title>By: Curt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Curt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 20:23:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just as you said...brace for the blaring headlines blaming Israel for being the big bad meany...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just as you said&#8230;brace for the blaring headlines blaming Israel for being the big bad meany&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Fasternu 426</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fasternu 426</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 19:58:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let them fix it themselves. Then after sitting in the dark, wallowing in their own filth for months because they don't know how to build or fix anything maybe they'll take a good hard look at themselves. Naaah, they'll just blame the Jooz!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let them fix it themselves. Then after sitting in the dark, wallowing in their own filth for months because they don&#8217;t know how to build or fix anything maybe they&#8217;ll take a good hard look at themselves. Naaah, they&#8217;ll just blame the Jooz!</p>
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