How Dare We Expect People To Take Care Of Themselves

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Man, this election is going to be freaking great. Really….I haven’t laughed this hard in years. Todays hit? Obama doesn’t like the fact that human beings have to take care of themselves. Make decisions for themselves. Have to earn money to live by themselves. No…..the Government should be the one to do that:

GREENSBORO, N.C. — Presidential candidate Barack Obama, largely ignoring his Democratic rival for now, ridiculed likely Republican nominee John McCain on Wednesday for offering “not one single idea” to help hard-pressed homeowners facing foreclosure.

“George Bush called this the ownership society, but what he really meant was ‘you’re-on-your-own’ society,” Obama told a town hall meeting here, tying McCain to a president whose popularity is low. “John McCain apparently wants to continue this.”

Same old “big government” type of thinking. Our founding fathers stated that we could pursue happiness, not that we were entitled to happiness. If you make bad decisions, say for instance…on loans, then you must pay the piper. To expect the government to fix your bad decisions is ludicrous and the type of thinking that will only lead to Socialism and/or Communism. Owning a home is a responsibility. If you take on that responsibility and make bad decisions on how to fund the loan, or even how to live your life, then in a free society you better be able to handle the consequences without big daddy coming in to save the day and ensure you have no responsibility in the matter.

Interestingly, Allah at Hot Air recalled this same line being tossed about by Hillary last year. Is plagiarism the new bit from Obama or is their Socialist ties so strong they just spout the same nonsense?

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UPDATE

Steven Bainbridge wrote an excellent fisking of Obama’s speech:

The speech then segues to a history lesson on the debate between Alexander Hamilton and Thomas Jefferson, positing that we continue to struggle “to balance the same forces that confronted Hamilton and Jefferson – self-interest and community; markets and democracy; the concentration of wealth and power, and the necessity of transparency and opportunity for each and every citizen.” The requisite nod to free markets follows.

This is the sort of thing at which Obama excels and, I think, explains a large part of his appeal to the intellegensia. Obama’s speeches frequently include passages that flatter their listeners who aren’t quite intelligent enough to realize how shallow his thinking actually is into thinking that they are more intelligent than they are.

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Speaking of Sarbanes-Oxley, Obama really went off the rails when he described Enron and Worldcom as being the product of “industry lobbyists tilting the playing field in Washington, an accounting industry that had developed powerful conflicts of interest, and a financial sector that fueled over-investment,” without once acknowledging the debacle that was—and still is—the Sarbanes-Oxley Act. Presumably, because that would remind his more thoughtful listeners that regulatory medicine is often worse for the patient han the economic bug.

To be sure, Obama emphasized the need to create a “21st-century regulatory framework,” rather than turning “back the clock to an older era of regulation.” In particular, he is to be commended for apparently dispatching the idea, advanced by some of the more wild eyed commentators, of bringing back some version of Glass-Steagall.

Yet, in his speech, while recognizing that regulatory reform in the 1990s was appropriate, Obama complains that “campaign money all too often shaped policy and watered down oversight.” He repeatedly refers to the baleful influence of lobbyists on prior regulatory reform efforts. Obama nevertheless wants us to believe that he can achieve an aggressive set of financial market regulatory changes that will not be twisted by interest group politics. This is either hopelessly naïve or deeply cynical. Either he knows it’s not true or he’s succumbed to the messianic views of his candidacy held in some quarters. I’m sorry but a constant mantra of “change we can believe in” is not going to change the basic fact, as a famous Democrat once put it, that money is the mother’s milk of politics.

Speaking of the messianic undercurrent in the Obama campaign, I find his suggestion that the government can somehow prevent the “cycle of bubble and bust” troubling. Even if you don’t buy Day’s contrarian theory about the nature of bubbles, it’s worth remembering that what we call bubbles and busts are an inherent attribute of the process of creative destruction that lies at the heart of capitalism. Striving to eliminate the risk of occasional market blips risks of eliminating the space within which creative entrepreneurs function. Think of a child so swaddled in protective gear that they cannot even play. Put another way, there is both an economic and ethical case to be made for a limited social safety net. Attempting to drape a safety net under the entire economy, however, turns the federal government into an insurer of the entire economy and, as such, carries a serious moral hazard problem.

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Finally, the end of the speech reflects Obama’s generally muddleheaded approach to economics. He claims that his policies “will foster economic growth from the bottom up, and not just from the top down.” Hence, for example, he proposes that:

To reward work and make retirement secure, we’ll provide an income tax cut of up to $1000 for a working family, and eliminate income taxes altogether for any retiree making less than $50,000 per year.

The bit about retirees strikes me as privileging the grasshopper over the ant. In any case, whether there are economic justifications for these proposals, I freely admit that there are moral ones. As a Catholic, I am conscious of the preferential option for the poor, which might well be cited as a justification for such proposals. Having said that, however, one of these proposals have to do with economic growth? With all due deference to working families and retirees, a tax cut for them creates no new wealth nor a incentivized his activities that create new wealth. Economic growth comes from incentivizing entrepreneurs to develop new or better goods and services. Jobs are created when such entrepreneurs start new businesses, not when working families or retirees spend a few bucks they got from a tax cut. By planning to raise taxes on upper income individuals, Obama thus undermines his hope for economic growth by penalizing the very people he should be incentivizing. (Elsewhere, Obama’s proposing to raise the capital gains tax from 15% to anywhere between 25 and 28%, which may not worry Warren Buffet but may well affect the decision making of some striving start up entrepreneur thinking about leaving his job to start a new business.)

While Steven gives him credit for some of his speech, he acknowledges that the majority of it was worthy of criticism rather then credit. Read the whole thing. It’s long but well worth it.

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Vote the Democrat Party…the party of the dependent, the depressed, the negative, the uneducated…the party of misfits, idiots,  fruits & nuts.  The fun part is watching them attack each other so viciously.  Lovin’ it!

Notice Hillary and Obama aren’t trying to end subprime mortgages which is what started the meltdown.   People were giving hundreds of thousands of dollars to people they knew couldn’t pay the money back.  These people were defrauding the banks and loan agencies which were owned by stock holders.  It’s obvious that both are trying to buy votes, because the people that get these loans outnumber the people that gave out the loans.  Chances are the stock holders were going to vote Republican anyways so no way was Hillary and Barack going to help them.

Also Barack and Hillary might not even be really helping the people that took out those subprime loans.  The estimated default is going to be about $1.2 trillion worth of loans.  $30 billion isn’t going to do much.
Now that $1.2 trillion is in the system, remember people were selling when the market was high and those were the ones that got the money.  Chances are they may buy even more property with the housing prices drop even more.  Maybe even renters will see the prices drop low enough to where they start buying houses.  That’s the way the market is suppose to work.  In fact Hillary and Obama might be screwing over the savers waiting to buy property on the cheap by keeping the prices of housing artifically high.

Actually, there is footage that does support her story here

ENJOY

sounds like communism to me.  where the heck do they get off saying they are for democracy, they are freaking communists.  i am all for eating what you kill, not what the other guy kills.  make your own way, don’t rely on government to do it for you.

“make your own way, don’t rely on government to do it for you.”

They are communists.  They won’t allow you to do anything for yourself.  The more power they get, the less freedom you have.

And (I’m going to take a lot of heat for this) but McCain only looks good when compared to O’Bomber and Hillarity.  McCain (also known as McAmnesty) supports the Islamfascit seperatists (as does Bush) in Kosovo, and wants a terror state of their own for the Paleostinians, open borders, and a whole lot more.  But we have to vote for him because he’s (presumably) far better than whatever critter ends up slithering out of the Dem swamp. Still, it’s pretty frustrating to not have a better choice. (Remember how he ripped the Swiftvets for telling the truth and saving the country from John Kerry?  Nuf said!)

I trust that all of you opposed the Bear Stearns bailout, yes? 

See, I don’t see how we can approve of the government bailing out the folks at the top of the game while turning their backs on the folks at the bottom.  Now, that doesn’t mean that anyone gets a free ride, but it seems to me that a balanced approach would do SOMETHING on both sides of the equation.

The only bail out I could see was if the federal government were to buy property to rent it out and then when the market gets back up, to sell the property for a profit.  It would be a win win win.  It would be a win for the government because the government could make a profit.  It would be a win for the banks because somebody is buying the debt.  It’s a win for renters because people that can’t afford to buy a home, usually rent which causes rent to go up (supply and demand).   The government could even have a rent to buy program which would allow renters to use their rent payments as a way of buying property or at least get equity. 

Bear-Sterns wasn’t a bail out-they’re gone man, history

Best bit I’ve seen so far was when MSNBC Foreign Affair correspondent Andrea Mitchell did a bit on how bad the economy is.  She’s married to Alan Greenspan who ran the economy forever.  Did she talk about how his promotion of sub-prime lending did this?  Nope.  Did she talk about Foreign Affairs?  Nope.  Then…why was she reporting on this?  Oh yeah, that’s right.  MSNBC, fair and balanced mouthpiece for the American Socialist Party.  Sorry, forgot

There are better candidates, you just have to look a little further than the MSM to find them.   And the only way they’re going to make it into office, to try and make a difference, is through our support.   If we can’t do this, i.e., kick those out of office that have forgot who and what it is they were elected into office for, then I see little or no hope for this country.

Re: "Vote the Democrat Party…the party of the dependent,"

Then again, if you are the CEO of Bear Sterns, paying yourself $10 million+ a year and run the firm into the ground through bad business decision, the Republican White House appears to be pretty good at aaking care of you as well.

Or is that DIFFERENT?

You can talk political theory all you want, but when it comes time to pull the lever in the voting booth, there are going to be lots and lots of people in mortgage trouble who will be looking for a hand (or a handout, or however you want to see it).  I understand your point–it is their own damn fault–but since when do people generally say, "Well, I guess I’d better take my medicine on this one"?

You can laugh, Curt, but the candidate who at least pretends to have some ideas along these lines is going to pick up a lot of votes from people who aren’t as stringently libertarian as you might hope.

If you listen to McCain, he told two very different stories in his recent speech on the mortgage crisis.  To the bankers, he said that any government intervention should be directed solely toward "preventing systemic risk that would endanger the entire financial system and the economy."  To me, that says, "don’t worry; if you screw up badly enough, we’ll be there to bail you out."  (It should be noted that the Bear Stearns bailout was specifically discussed in terms of systemic risk, e.g. "what happens if we don’t?" and the ‘ripple effect.’)  To the individuals, he basically preached personal responsibility, to the point of citing people who work second jobs or forgo vacations.  Other than that, he gave a few nebulous calls for meetings and "industry action" to clean things up.

Why doesn’t "personal responsibility" extend up to the bigwigs who made the disastrous decision(s) at Bear Stearns and the other financial houses that have gobbled up $260 billion in special, low-interest Fed loans since December?  (Oh, and keep in mind that the Fed invoked a Depression-era law to extend those loans beyond banks to ‘financial institutions’ like the brokerage houses.)

I’m torn on this one, to be honest.  Speculators are a big chunk of the group being hit with potential foreclosures (one media report suggested that 45% of mortgages in foreclosure or delinquency are NOT tied to primary residences), and those folks shouldn’t get a dime.  (But…the big financial houses were all speculating too, so there’s an inconsistency there.)   What can government reasonably do to those in genuine need?   Well, if we’re going to issue loan guarantees to business, why not some smaller guarantees (say, half the value of the loan) for individuals? 

It’s something of a Pandora’s Box scenario, but the problem is that we’ve already cracked the lid…

Sweet mother government, let me suckle at your leathern teat!

Sweet mother government, let me suckle at your leathern teat!

So, does that mean that my Federally-guaranteed VA home loan has me ‘suckling at her leathern teat?’  (That guarantee has never been at risk of invocation, incidentally…)

Re: " make your own way, don’t rely on government to do it for you."

Conservatives LOVE Conservative President George W. Bush, who backed 100% the largest increase in a domestic entitlements since Lyndon Johnson. 

Of course that was, as always DIFFERENT, since I notice that all the complaints here about government giveaways are directed at Democratic politicians. 

(Of course now that I have pointed it out, the standard Conservative, "of course we disagree with Republicans….") line will be trotted out as the usual disclaimer.  My point is, and has been, that no Conservative will EVER start their complaints about "Big Government" talking about Republican accountability.  Conservatives will ALWAYS finger the Democrats first, then bring in a token, one line, comment about "Republicans too" when called on it.

That is why I assert that Conservatives, unlike Liberals who have defected (Nader) from party loyalty, are nothing but shills for the Republican party.  Now and forever.

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Re: “So, does that mean that my Federally-guaranteed VA home loan has me ’suckling at her leathern teat?’ ”
Accourding to “luva the scissors” you’re next for dinner.

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Re: “Why doesn’t “personal responsibility” extend up to the bigwigs who made the disastrous decision(s) at Bear Stearns and the other financial houses that have gobbled up $260 billion in special, low-interest Fed loans since December? ”

Because the Banks and Brokerage houses have given traditionally more than 75% of their political contribtuions to Republicans. that is why. And the “independent” John McCain is not about to endanger that gravy train (And, yes I fully admit that Democrats can, and are, bought as well. But we are talking about the “independent” John McCain here, who can’t be bought by anyone, remember?)

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And to add my opinion, “yes” we are going to have to shell out borrowed federal money to bail out most of these financial institutins, while their super rich executives walk away with fortunes. Because they have managed to set up a situation where they can hold our economy hostage, and too many people will suffer if the fund managers are not bailed out of their malfesance. There is, and will be no accountability here: At least not at the levels where this disaster was created. And, by the way, every conservative I know is also outraged by this.

McCain is a felon!He stole from  older americans and made himself rich in the Savings & Loan blunder in the late 80’s. Check his voting record!  It’s closer to Obama & Clinton than a Republican. Watch old video of the Amnesty battle last summer. He made it very clear he didn’t care what the people of his state wanted. It was what “He” wanted.  He is above all… Face it! There are 3 Democrats – All Socialists – Running for President in 2008!

But John McCain will get a free pass from the media because he is a “Straight Talker” who cannot be bought. And I know that makes him no different from the Democratic Candidates, I just wonder about the fact that our supposedly “tough” reporters fawn all over him. They also do it to a lesser degree with Barak Obama, and go in a negative direction with Hillary Clinton (even when she doesn’t deserve it (which does happen occasionally, but you could never tell it from the press).

It used to be that media bias could be categorized as “Liberal” or “Conservative”. And, while you still have your FoxNewses out there, now it appears that reporters will fall over for anyone who is “someone they would like to have a beer with”. (to quote my favorite villian” Chris Mathews).

In that kind of environment, those who supposedly report the news, instead of being “Left” or “Right” become just plain old gullible.