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	<title>Comments on: Flight 93 Memorial Blogburst - Petition For Congressional Investigation</title>
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		<title>By: Alec Rawls</title>
		<link>http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/03/26/flight-93-memorial-blogburst-petition-for-congressional-investigation/#comment-30919</link>
		<dc:creator>Alec Rawls</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 15:19:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, there has always been a pejorative connotation to conspiracy, but I think the Troofers have to be credited with stripping the word of anything but pejorative connotations, at a time when it ought to have gained legitimacy from the fact that we have recently on the receiving end of an undeniable conspiracy by our terror war enemies. 

It is pretty bizarre, when terror plots are constantly being uncovered, to see how much currency there is to the idea that there is something wrong with recognizing a plot. 

Really, the conspiracy nuts and the anti-conspiracy nuts are the same phenomenon. Neither are interested in the truth, only in maintaining their world view.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, there has always been a pejorative connotation to conspiracy, but I think the Troofers have to be credited with stripping the word of anything but pejorative connotations, at a time when it ought to have gained legitimacy from the fact that we have recently on the receiving end of an undeniable conspiracy by our terror war enemies. </p>
<p>It is pretty bizarre, when terror plots are constantly being uncovered, to see how much currency there is to the idea that there is something wrong with recognizing a plot. </p>
<p>Really, the conspiracy nuts and the anti-conspiracy nuts are the same phenomenon. Neither are interested in the truth, only in maintaining their world view.</p>
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		<title>By: jpm100</title>
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		<dc:creator>jpm100</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 10:13:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The word 'conspiracy' has been toxic across the political spectrum since at least the 70's if not earlier.  9/11 truthers have very little to do with it. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The word &#8216;conspiracy&#8217; has been toxic across the political spectrum since at least the 70&#8217;s if not earlier.  9/11 truthers have very little to do with it. </p>
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		<title>By: Alec Rawls</title>
		<link>http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/03/26/flight-93-memorial-blogburst-petition-for-congressional-investigation/#comment-30631</link>
		<dc:creator>Alec Rawls</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 17:07:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Qute an accomplishment of the Troofers, to make &#34;conspiracy&#34; a toxic word, when the hijackings on 9/11 were one of the most elaborate conspiracies we have seen (and no, not by the Bush administration).

The memorial conspiracy is elaborate as well, but it is certainly not WIDE. My best guess is that it only involves two people: Paul Murdoch and his wife. Everyone else is a dupe, though at this point quite a few of them are knowingly giving false information to the public in a desperate attempt to cover up what they have allowed.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Qute an accomplishment of the Troofers, to make &quot;conspiracy&quot; a toxic word, when the hijackings on 9/11 were one of the most elaborate conspiracies we have seen (and no, not by the Bush administration).</p>
<p>The memorial conspiracy is elaborate as well, but it is certainly not WIDE. My best guess is that it only involves two people: Paul Murdoch and his wife. Everyone else is a dupe, though at this point quite a few of them are knowingly giving false information to the public in a desperate attempt to cover up what they have allowed.</p>
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		<title>By: Jarhead68</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jarhead68</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 16:31:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Liberals and Muslims...interesting alliance.  If Islamist fascists do take over, I wonder which group will survive?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Liberals and Muslims&#8230;interesting alliance.  If Islamist fascists do take over, I wonder which group will survive?</p>
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		<title>By: jpm100</title>
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		<dc:creator>jpm100</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 11:43:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1.8 degrees is a tolerable error from a Mosque Orientation from what I understand, but if that error could be explained, it might help drive home the case.  My guess is that the orientation might be exact for a nearby major city or might be an error from an approximation made in a Mosque architectural handbook.  

If it came out of some resource that the architect could be shown to have previously used, it would be a grand slam. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1.8 degrees is a tolerable error from a Mosque Orientation from what I understand, but if that error could be explained, it might help drive home the case.  My guess is that the orientation might be exact for a nearby major city or might be an error from an approximation made in a Mosque architectural handbook.  </p>
<p>If it came out of some resource that the architect could be shown to have previously used, it would be a grand slam. </p>
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		<title>By: jpm100</title>
		<link>http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/03/26/flight-93-memorial-blogburst-petition-for-congressional-investigation/#comment-30549</link>
		<dc:creator>jpm100</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 11:33:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hate to say it, but I would never use the word conspiracy ever again if you want people to take this seriously.  They may secretly believe you, but the word itself is toxic and sends people running.

And I doubt most of the resistance you get to changing this comes from anyone who full well knows what this is.  At this point, I'm guessing the majority of resistance is from politicians, elected or unelected, that don't want to tread into something that potentially violates Political Correctness and also don't want to admit they were duped by a handful people who created and pushed a thinly veiled salute to the terrorists and their mission. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hate to say it, but I would never use the word conspiracy ever again if you want people to take this seriously.  They may secretly believe you, but the word itself is toxic and sends people running.</p>
<p>And I doubt most of the resistance you get to changing this comes from anyone who full well knows what this is.  At this point, I&#8217;m guessing the majority of resistance is from politicians, elected or unelected, that don&#8217;t want to tread into something that potentially violates Political Correctness and also don&#8217;t want to admit they were duped by a handful people who created and pushed a thinly veiled salute to the terrorists and their mission. </p>
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		<title>By: Alec Rawls</title>
		<link>http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/03/26/flight-93-memorial-blogburst-petition-for-congressional-investigation/#comment-30450</link>
		<dc:creator>Alec Rawls</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 03:26:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Has Doc really not noticed that MUSLIMS care very much about the direction to Mecca? That is the issue here. A crescent that Muslims face into to face Mecca is THE central religious Islamic religious symbol. It is every prayer rug. It is every mosque. It is five times every day. And we are not talking &#34;essentially eastward-pointing.&#34; Damned dude. Take another look at that &lt;a href="http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z36/AlecRawls/PlazaBisectorJPG.jpg"&gt;graphic&lt;/a&gt; of the qibla direction from Somerset, superimposed on the crescent site plan. 

That's why I call you brain dead: because instead of trying to understand, you are determined NOT to understand even a simple geometric fact. But brain dead is not quite the right term. You ARE using your brain power. You are using it to come up with excuses NOT to make sense. 

Anyone who wants to look further at how this almost exact Mecca orientation is repeated in the Tower of Voices, or at the hidden exact Mecca orientation (corresponding to the &#34;true&#34; crescent as Murdoch describes it thematically, where the upper crescent tip is created by the flight path &#34;breaking the circle&#34;) take a good look at the &lt;a href="http://www.crescentofbetrayal.com/Petition,%20paper-version,MapBack,3-25-08.pdf"&gt;map of betrayal&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Has Doc really not noticed that MUSLIMS care very much about the direction to Mecca? That is the issue here. A crescent that Muslims face into to face Mecca is THE central religious Islamic religious symbol. It is every prayer rug. It is every mosque. It is five times every day. And we are not talking &quot;essentially eastward-pointing.&quot; Damned dude. Take another look at that <a href="http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z36/AlecRawls/PlazaBisectorJPG.jpg">graphic</a> of the qibla direction from Somerset, superimposed on the crescent site plan. </p>
<p>That&#8217;s why I call you brain dead: because instead of trying to understand, you are determined NOT to understand even a simple geometric fact. But brain dead is not quite the right term. You ARE using your brain power. You are using it to come up with excuses NOT to make sense. </p>
<p>Anyone who wants to look further at how this almost exact Mecca orientation is repeated in the Tower of Voices, or at the hidden exact Mecca orientation (corresponding to the &quot;true&quot; crescent as Murdoch describes it thematically, where the upper crescent tip is created by the flight path &quot;breaking the circle&quot;) take a good look at the <a href="http://www.crescentofbetrayal.com/Petition,%20paper-version,MapBack,3-25-08.pdf">map of betrayal</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Curt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Curt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 03:08:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Beyond that, however, who cares?
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And there ya have it.....our liberal brethren.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Beyond that, however, who cares?
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<p>And there ya have it&#8230;..our liberal brethren.</p>
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		<title>By: Doc Washboard</title>
		<link>http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/03/26/flight-93-memorial-blogburst-petition-for-congressional-investigation/#comment-30432</link>
		<dc:creator>Doc Washboard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 02:07:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#34;a giant Mecca-oriented crescent&#34;

Anything essentially eastward-pointing would be generally Mecca-oriented.

Beyond that, however, who cares?  Let me rephrase that; obviously you care.  I don't care.  As to &#34;braindead&#34;--well, whatever.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;a giant Mecca-oriented crescent&quot;</p>
<p>Anything essentially eastward-pointing would be generally Mecca-oriented.</p>
<p>Beyond that, however, who cares?  Let me rephrase that; obviously you care.  I don&#8217;t care.  As to &quot;braindead&quot;&#8211;well, whatever.</p>
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		<title>By: Alec Rawls</title>
		<link>http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/03/26/flight-93-memorial-blogburst-petition-for-congressional-investigation/#comment-30430</link>
		<dc:creator>Alec Rawls</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 01:53:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So Doc, either you deny that the giant crescent faces Mecca, or you deny that there is anything wrong with planting a giant Mecca-oriented crescent on the graves of our Flight 93 heroes. Care to specify which of these equally brain dead positions you embrace?

Quite right, though, to note the challenge that a genuine conspiracy presents to the conservative movement. Can it be that the dishonesty of the Troofers has made conservatives so wary of seeing conspiracy that many will not even look at the facts for fear of the conspiracy taint? 

I suspect that is a big part of the explanation for why the biggest conservative voices are ducking this issue (and I think I've inundated them with enough emails to say that a bunch of them are at least aware of the issue).  This is a pretty ironic place to find such a strong reluctance to consider the possibility of an enemy plot, given that Flight 93 is supposed to be the symbol of our woken vigilance: that we know now that we are at war with an enemy that hides amongst us, pretending to be trustworthy friends. 

It is not even a mystery. We hosted an open design competition in time of war, inviting the whole world to enter. What the hell did we expect? That the enemy would say, &#34;no, we don't believe in taking such sneaky advantage of the infidels' blasphemous policies of openness&#34;? 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So Doc, either you deny that the giant crescent faces Mecca, or you deny that there is anything wrong with planting a giant Mecca-oriented crescent on the graves of our Flight 93 heroes. Care to specify which of these equally brain dead positions you embrace?</p>
<p>Quite right, though, to note the challenge that a genuine conspiracy presents to the conservative movement. Can it be that the dishonesty of the Troofers has made conservatives so wary of seeing conspiracy that many will not even look at the facts for fear of the conspiracy taint? </p>
<p>I suspect that is a big part of the explanation for why the biggest conservative voices are ducking this issue (and I think I&#8217;ve inundated them with enough emails to say that a bunch of them are at least aware of the issue).  This is a pretty ironic place to find such a strong reluctance to consider the possibility of an enemy plot, given that Flight 93 is supposed to be the symbol of our woken vigilance: that we know now that we are at war with an enemy that hides amongst us, pretending to be trustworthy friends. </p>
<p>It is not even a mystery. We hosted an open design competition in time of war, inviting the whole world to enter. What the hell did we expect? That the enemy would say, &quot;no, we don&#8217;t believe in taking such sneaky advantage of the infidels&#8217; blasphemous policies of openness&quot;?</p>
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		<title>By: Doc Washboard</title>
		<link>http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/03/26/flight-93-memorial-blogburst-petition-for-congressional-investigation/#comment-30426</link>
		<dc:creator>Doc Washboard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 01:17:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pure nuttiness, from beginning to end.  The conservative troofer movement? 

&#34;Almost exactly!!!!!!&#34;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pure nuttiness, from beginning to end.  The conservative troofer movement? </p>
<p>&quot;Almost exactly!!!!!!&quot;</p>
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		<title>By: pagar</title>
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		<dc:creator>pagar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 19:16:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'll second it, but I wouldn't be a bit surprised to see a lot of Democrat politicians oppose it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll second it, but I wouldn&#8217;t be a bit surprised to see a lot of Democrat politicians oppose it.</p>
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		<title>By: Machiavelli</title>
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		<dc:creator>Machiavelli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 19:00:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just a funny feeling, but if this comes to a vote in Congress to launch an investigation, I bet Senator Obama will either abstain or oppose it. If it comes to a vote on a re-design, I practically guarantee he'll choose one of those two paths. Too bad resolving this may take till after the nomination process and the general election are over. Anyone care to second me on this prediction?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just a funny feeling, but if this comes to a vote in Congress to launch an investigation, I bet Senator Obama will either abstain or oppose it. If it comes to a vote on a re-design, I practically guarantee he&#8217;ll choose one of those two paths. Too bad resolving this may take till after the nomination process and the general election are over. Anyone care to second me on this prediction?</p>
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