Obama - Trinity Not A Crackpot Church

All I will say about this church and its pastor is that if we exchange its “white” and “black” references, these people would be labeled as Christian Identity (or some other such predudiced cults) followers and properly labeled as a hate group.

No matter what order they reference the words, racism is racism.

When my father returned from Vietnam (a conflict he and my mother volunteered, supported, and were spit on for), he found his childhood church overrun with the “peace at ANY cost” and “surrender is better than risking defending ourselves” crowd. My father spoke to the minister and then left that church for good after he found he could not support the minister and his positions.

He changed churches and eventually became a decon before his passing. I never went to church again unless it was for a wedding or a funeral as that minister and his insanity soured me for good.

Obama should have spoken to his “uncle” and then left years ago. That is “audacity” and that is positive “change”. Instead, the only “audacity” we get is racial attacks for noting the overt predudice and hatred coming from Mr. Wright. Nothing “changed” in the left’s playbook except now they finally have to deal with being labeled as racists also.

I doubt they will understand the irony. Instead we will be inundated with the standard “conseratives this/that” and “republican attack machine” BS.

if they were of lighter colored skin, and had an almost completely white following, the would be the arian brotherhood. jsut because their skin is darker, and they were “enslved” by the white man they feel they have a free lunch on this crap. they can say whatever they want and it is religious freedom, give me a frigging break. i wnat to know how many in his church are on welfare and getting government aide, those who are are biting the hand that feeds them.

This church seems like it’s about due for an investigation by the IRS to evaluate its non-profit status, sounds like it’s pretty much one big PAC for Barrack Obama’s campaign these days.
Obama’s attempt to dodge Wright’s stain, or explain away his words, etc., strike me like the conduct of a small child trying to talk his way out of being caught in a lie by his parents. In the end, it might come off better if Obama just came out and confess that he’s a closet racist, admit that he has a problem, and make good faith efforts to show how he’s working to correct his thinking. But, I hardly expect such honest soul searching from such a polished show-man.
Yes, it’s true that Hillary may not know what it’s like to be called a “nigger,” but then again Barrack doesn’t know what it’s like to be called a “bitch.” Let’s hope that the wider American public doesn’t buy into the Democratic Party’s great identity politics free-for-all.

Yeah Christine, I think it’s not a stretch to say that the Trinity Easter sermon was a far cry from that which you’d get at any normal church.
I kind of find it hard to draw much comparison between Wright and Jesus. I don’t recall Christ ever intoning the words: “God Damn the Roman Empire,” implying that the Roman Empire was purposefully spreading Leprosy amongst the Jews, or explaining how Rome getting attacked by the barbarian hordes was an example of “the chickens coming home to roost” for the empire.
Possible titles for next week’s sermon at Trinity: “Flag burning for beginners,” “Proper black power raised fist technique,” and “Don’t worry, God doesn’t think we’re a bunch of racists.”

Just because a church is a mega church (in terms of size) doesn’t mean that it is a well-balanced church based on the love of Christ. And, the fact that Rev. Wright has been in the ministry for many years also doesn’t mean that his was a loving, self-less, Christ-like type of ministry!!! I could name a several other ministries that fit into this category, so it’s not uncommon. Being a big church does not necessarily equate with spiritual success, in other words. It just means they’ve managed to get a LOT of people to give them money.

By the way, I’m not saying that all big churches are disingenuous, but this one needs some divine intervention, IMHO.

I kind of find it hard to draw much comparison between Wright and Jesus. I don’t recall Christ ever intoning the words: “God Damn the Roman Empire,” implying that the Roman Empire was purposefully spreading Leprosy amongst the Jews, or explaining how Rome getting attacked by the barbarian hordes was an example of “the chickens coming home to roost” for the empire.

As an aside, you should read the Scholars’ Translation.  Where the King James (and other) translations have "woe unto…", the Scholars’ Translation suggests that Christ used the demotic language–the speech of the common man–and that, just after the Beatitudes, He said something closer to:

"Damn you rich! You already have your compensation.
Damn you who are well-fed! You will know hunger.
Damn you who laugh now! You will weep and grieve.
Damn you when everybody speaks well of you!"

I can easily envision these words coming from the same Christ who physically disrupted the moneychangers in the Temple.

There’s also precious little difference between Wright’s words and those of Martin Luther King, Jr:

I can hear God saying to America, "You’re too arrogant! And if you don’t change your ways, I will rise up and break the backbone of your power, and I’ll place it in the hands of a nation that doesn’t even know my name. Be still and know that I’m God."

I won’t even mention the number of preachers who have suggested that America faces God’s judgment because of particular sins; it’s sufficient to note that both 9/11 and Katrina were labelled "God’s judgment on America" by religious figures on both sides of the political aisle.

You may not like his language, but the theology is practiced routinely across the board.  This is yet another reason that the Founders, in their wisdom, prohibited religious tests for public office; it’s to our detriment that we seem intent on reintroducing them.