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bbartlog
16 years ago
Bit of a reach for you, no? In the first quoted section, Obama is referring to some particular set of statements that are ‘the cause of this controversy’. In the second he’s making a more general admission that he heard Wright make controversial statements. Without knowing which specific statements Obama thinks are the ’cause of this controversy’ we can’t really say whether he’s contradicting himself (let alone lying).
Too bad we’re sending such a doddering retard to take on Obama. For a decent candidate beating this guy wouldn’t be that tough; instead we had to make it a fight by nominating someone who should be retiring.
For some reason, I had to do a double take when I saw this under “recent posts”…..I thought it said something like “Obama admits Philadelphia Steve (lying)”
Decided to stoke the fires eh Wordsmith? Just make sure you stick around to put it out.
Igor R.
16 years ago
Obama is a Marxist in search of some race-based justification for his beliefs.
David
16 years ago
On Mar 14 2008, Obama says: “The statements that Rev. Wright made that are the cause of this controversy were not statements I personally heard him preach while I sat in the pews of Trinity or heard him utter in private conversation …”
On Mar 18 2008, Obama says: “Did I know him to be an occasionally fierce critic of American domestic and foreign policy? Of course. Did I ever hear him make remarks that could be considered controversial while I sat in church? Yes.”
On Mar 19 2008 and beyond, what will Obama say? If he can’t say it simply and truthfully on this, how does he expect to be president when a decision is needed? As for the old, tired class warfare rhetoric, nothing more than camoflauge.
bella
16 years ago
Nice try. But a no go.
You can cut and snip excerpts to make them “fit” your world view, continue to fuel hatred and division along class, racial and religious lines. This country doesn’t need any help in that department; the last eight years have had their destructive toll.
Editing to fit is nothing new. Perhaps the lying tag best fits this forum’s author.
bella: I’m not the one who said “GOD DAMN AMERICA” or tried to blame every black persons problems on rich white people. But I am sure the hatemongers out there are glad that enablers like you are out there to give them a pass.
Truth: Obama said he had not heard Wright say those things. He admitted he had.
Truth: Obama told one interviewer that if he had heard those things, he would have spoken to the preacher. He didn’t.
If you want to stick your head in the sand, or some other place, and pretend that Obama isn’t lying on this issue you go right ahead.
It’s becoming more and more clear that Obama has been using people like you to give him the street cred that a Hawaii born prep school/Columbia and Harvard grad finds it hard to come by.
You should be ashamed of yourself for being used in this way to enable hate.
mercurialohearn
16 years ago
“Truth: Obama said he had not heard Wright say those things. He admitted he had.”
for this “truth” of yours to be unequivocal, you must demonstrate how the specific statements to which obama refers in your first quotation are exactly the same statements he refers to in your second quotation.
you don’t do this at all, at all. you have fabricated a contradiction where none may exist, and you are asking your readers to accept it as axiomatic, while providing no proof whatsoever that this “truth” is, in fact, true.
perhaps those who are already blinded by an ideology, or who lack the critical reading and thinking skills to see through your ruse, will be fooled by your attempt to take two statements out of context and attempt to conflate them. but those who are wise to such sophomoric rhetorical tactics are fooled not at all. cast as many aspersions as you like on those in this forum who have pointed out your trickery. it only makes you seem more desperate and insincere.
“Truth: Obama told one interviewer that if he had heard those things, he would have spoken to the preacher. He didn’t.”
are you inventing facts out of whole cloth, here? how would you, or anyone else, know if obama had spoken to his minister about his inflammatory remarks? you also call this a truth, but a truth requires proof. without it, this is nothing more than hearsay. inasmuch as they are unsubstantiated allegations on your part, they hardly rise above reverend wright’s own controversial and divisive comments.
“The statements that Rev. Wright made that are the cause of this controversy were not statements I personally heard him preach while I sat in the pews of Trinity or heard him utter in private conversation,” –Barack H. Obama, March 14, 2008
“Did I know him to be an occasionally fierce critic of American domestic and foreign policy? Of course. Did I ever hear him make remarks that could be considered controversial while I sat in church? Yes.”
Barack H. Obama, March 18, 2007
Even a child in gradeschool can understand that. Interesting that you cannot.
Doc Washboard
16 years ago
MA:
The statements that Rev. Wright made that are the cause of this controversy were not statements I personally heard him preach while I sat in the pews of Trinity or heard him utter in private conversation.
Okay. Bringing all my reading comprehension skills to bear on this. He is saying that he was not actually sitting in the pews when the YouTube clips were recorded.
Did I ever hear him make remarks that could be considered controversial while I sat in church? Yes.
I’m on a roll with that reading comprehension thing. I wonder if I can keep it going. Now he is saying that, while he wasn’t sitting in the pews during the recording of the YouTube clips, he did, in fact, hear Wright say controversial things at other times.
Hey! I made it! I read both quotes and understood them. Mommy, wow! I’m a big kid now!!!
I guess I’m not seeing the lie. Did you catch a glimpse of Obama in the room during one of the YouTube clips? That would make the first quote a lie. If you’ve found such proof, provide the link; I’d love to see it.
On the other hand, do you have proof that Obama never heard Wright say controversial things in the course of twenty years? That would be tougher to prove, and it would seem to run counter to your agenda, but again–if you have proof, I’d love to see it. It would make the second quote a lie.
Otherwise, as I’ve pointed out to you elsewhere, these two quotes–as you have juxtaposed them–are not evidence of a lie. They are not mutually exclusive. It is possible to have heard Wright say controversial things without having been present on one particular Sunday. In much the same way, I have seen you be illogical many times without having read every single illogical thing you have ever written.
I guess your case hinges on showing that Obama was, in fact, in the room when the much-discussed YouTube clips were recorded. Go for it, buddy; I encourage you to get to the bottom of the story. I didn’t vote for Obama in the primary; it’s no skin off my nose.
The harder you try and spin that Doc, the more foolish you appear.
Keep it up. I have a hard time convincing some moderates and independents that anyone could be as stupid as you. Now, we have MORE proof.
Doc Washboard
16 years ago
The words “spin” and “foolish” apparently don’t mean what you think they mean. Could it be that you’ve been blinded by Obama Derangement Syndrome? Or maybe just anti-black hatred? The way that you’re fabricating your “proof,” I’d guess that it is the latter.
Is this the same kind of thinking you did when you were in the Reagan Administration (if that’s true)? No wonder it was such a bowl full of losers.
You really have sipped the Clinton Kool Aid Doc. And I’ll ignore your petty insults.
I would think that you would be eager to ask the question: “What did Obama hear and when did he hear it” but I don’t imagine you really care about the answer.
You really are what we call a “time waster.”
Doc Washboard
16 years ago
I would think that you would be eager to ask the question: “What did Obama hear and when did he hear it” but I don’t imagine you really care about the answer.
For the eleventeenth time, I encourage you to find out. For the sake of the overall political discourse, however, I wish that you’d stick to the facts as you do it. It may very well be that Obama is lying his ass off about this and every other topic he addresses. He probably is; he’s a politician. But just taking two quotes, sticking them side by side and calling them evidence of lying–when, taken together, they are not proof of lying–is intellectually dishonest.
It’s like one of those teachers who suspends a kid for something he knows the kid didn’t do, but he rationalizes it by telling himself, “Well, I’m sure that the kid did things in the past that I didn’t catch, so I’m not really doing anything wrong.”
I’d be interested in you telling me which of the two sentences you’ve juxtaposed up above is the lie.
In other news, I didn’t vote for Clinton in my primary, either. What conceivable part of what I’ve written shows that I’ve “sipped the Clinton Kool Aid?” The part about where I chastise you for your Obama Derangement Syndrome? In one thread, you take me from mindlessly following Obama to mindlessly following Clinton. The very suggestion shows that you either know nothing at all about the Clinton/Obama dynamic, or you are another one of those Internet scribblers who chooses a catchphrase from a list of talking points–in this case, “Sipping the Kool-Aid”–wedges it into your post, and calls it a day. Maybe you should think before you hit the “send” button, MA.
Oh, and you’re going to ignore my petty insults? Big of you, pal, after what you’ve called me here and elsewhere. You’re a real standup guy.
“For the eleventeenth time, I encourage you to find out. ” Sorry Doc, but you’ve shown a REMARKABLE ability to ignore anything that the rest of us have learned. Are you SO completely ill-equipped to get the answers to these questions?
I PERSONALLY confronted John McCain with the weak points of his appeal to conservatives. I would think you would want to do the same for Obama, but obviously you do not care.
Transparently, you’ll swallow the Kool Aid you are served.
Doc Washboard
16 years ago
I’d be interested in you telling me which of the two sentences you’ve juxtaposed up above is the lie.
Your continued silence on this issue says volumes about your inability to think your way out of a wet paper bag.
Remember: the reason that the guy snarled, “I don’t got to show you no stinkin’ badges,” is because he had no badges to show. A lot of what you post here has the same hollow bluster to it.
Nice try Doc. But if a “Doc” can’t cure a LAME analogy, there is no hope.
You want to be the class fool, fine by me.
You have my vote.
Your next insult on this thread will be deleted. Have fun writing the Huffington Post and telling them what a hero you are.
Doc Washboard
16 years ago
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ChrisG
16 years ago
Or maybe just anti-black hatred?
I may have been gone a few days Doc, but in light of your quote above, you might want to rethink your above post. Also, read Mikes original post. I believe it answers your question in the first two quotes from Obama.
Mike
16 years ago
Obama is pandering to black people!!
Obama forgot to mention while going on about his white grandmother who worked on a bomber assembly line at Fort Leavenworth. He forgot tto mention evidently not during a war, that white granny was a Bank Vice President (Like Mr Drysdale on Beverly Hillbillys)…they make huge money…hardly so humble as he portrays. His black father and the Kenya thing, Obama’s father was dead by the time he was two..I doubt he even knew him……..and Obama had never been to Kenya until the 1980’s
The poor old black granny who lives in a hut in Kenya..was one of his fathers 3 wives the third one…she wasn’t even related to him. She is the one Sarah who lied about the muslim thing saying she wasn’t a muslim she was christian!!….only it had already been in a Times article that she claimed in her own words she was a devout muslim.
So I agree with the hiding of this muslim part of his life in Indonesia…that is where his memories and formative years would be living with his mother and stepfather (a muslim) from 6yrs to 10yrs old when he went to the Wahabbist Madrassa, and then moving to Hawaii with his white mothers parents after 10 through high school. So why all the talk about Kenya…is just to relate to black people for political purposes
Bit of a reach for you, no? In the first quoted section, Obama is referring to some particular set of statements that are ‘the cause of this controversy’. In the second he’s making a more general admission that he heard Wright make controversial statements. Without knowing which specific statements Obama thinks are the ’cause of this controversy’ we can’t really say whether he’s contradicting himself (let alone lying).
Too bad we’re sending such a doddering retard to take on Obama. For a decent candidate beating this guy wouldn’t be that tough; instead we had to make it a fight by nominating someone who should be retiring.
A Ron Paul supporter calling McCain a “doddering retard”….
Whoakay then
For some reason, I had to do a double take when I saw this under “recent posts”…..I thought it said something like “Obama admits Philadelphia Steve (lying)”
Decided to stoke the fires eh Wordsmith? Just make sure you stick around to put it out.
Obama is a Marxist in search of some race-based justification for his beliefs.
On Mar 14 2008, Obama says: “The statements that Rev. Wright made that are the cause of this controversy were not statements I personally heard him preach while I sat in the pews of Trinity or heard him utter in private conversation …”
On Mar 18 2008, Obama says: “Did I know him to be an occasionally fierce critic of American domestic and foreign policy? Of course. Did I ever hear him make remarks that could be considered controversial while I sat in church? Yes.”
On Mar 19 2008 and beyond, what will Obama say? If he can’t say it simply and truthfully on this, how does he expect to be president when a decision is needed? As for the old, tired class warfare rhetoric, nothing more than camoflauge.
Nice try. But a no go.
You can cut and snip excerpts to make them “fit” your world view, continue to fuel hatred and division along class, racial and religious lines. This country doesn’t need any help in that department; the last eight years have had their destructive toll.
Editing to fit is nothing new. Perhaps the lying tag best fits this forum’s author.
bella: I’m not the one who said “GOD DAMN AMERICA” or tried to blame every black persons problems on rich white people. But I am sure the hatemongers out there are glad that enablers like you are out there to give them a pass.
Truth: Obama said he had not heard Wright say those things. He admitted he had.
Truth: Obama told one interviewer that if he had heard those things, he would have spoken to the preacher. He didn’t.
If you want to stick your head in the sand, or some other place, and pretend that Obama isn’t lying on this issue you go right ahead.
It’s becoming more and more clear that Obama has been using people like you to give him the street cred that a Hawaii born prep school/Columbia and Harvard grad finds it hard to come by.
You should be ashamed of yourself for being used in this way to enable hate.
“Truth: Obama said he had not heard Wright say those things. He admitted he had.”
for this “truth” of yours to be unequivocal, you must demonstrate how the specific statements to which obama refers in your first quotation are exactly the same statements he refers to in your second quotation.
you don’t do this at all, at all. you have fabricated a contradiction where none may exist, and you are asking your readers to accept it as axiomatic, while providing no proof whatsoever that this “truth” is, in fact, true.
perhaps those who are already blinded by an ideology, or who lack the critical reading and thinking skills to see through your ruse, will be fooled by your attempt to take two statements out of context and attempt to conflate them. but those who are wise to such sophomoric rhetorical tactics are fooled not at all. cast as many aspersions as you like on those in this forum who have pointed out your trickery. it only makes you seem more desperate and insincere.
“Truth: Obama told one interviewer that if he had heard those things, he would have spoken to the preacher. He didn’t.”
are you inventing facts out of whole cloth, here? how would you, or anyone else, know if obama had spoken to his minister about his inflammatory remarks? you also call this a truth, but a truth requires proof. without it, this is nothing more than hearsay. inasmuch as they are unsubstantiated allegations on your part, they hardly rise above reverend wright’s own controversial and divisive comments.
Oh how funny! You people learned your lessons from Bill Clinton well. I’m surprised you are supporting Obama and not Hillary.
Only a complete fool would accept the tortured, twisted justification you have offered.
I realize there are a lot of fools out there. And nearly all of them are voting for Democrats.
In your zeal to defend Obama, perhaps you fail to realize that you are enabling the next generation of haters to ply their trade.
Shame on you.
Mercurialohearn has a point. Can you provide a scrap of proof for your “truth?” If you could, I’d be more willing to accept what you say as fact.
Even a child in gradeschool can understand that. Interesting that you cannot.
MA:
Okay. Bringing all my reading comprehension skills to bear on this. He is saying that he was not actually sitting in the pews when the YouTube clips were recorded.
I’m on a roll with that reading comprehension thing. I wonder if I can keep it going. Now he is saying that, while he wasn’t sitting in the pews during the recording of the YouTube clips, he did, in fact, hear Wright say controversial things at other times.
Hey! I made it! I read both quotes and understood them. Mommy, wow! I’m a big kid now!!!
I guess I’m not seeing the lie. Did you catch a glimpse of Obama in the room during one of the YouTube clips? That would make the first quote a lie. If you’ve found such proof, provide the link; I’d love to see it.
On the other hand, do you have proof that Obama never heard Wright say controversial things in the course of twenty years? That would be tougher to prove, and it would seem to run counter to your agenda, but again–if you have proof, I’d love to see it. It would make the second quote a lie.
Otherwise, as I’ve pointed out to you elsewhere, these two quotes–as you have juxtaposed them–are not evidence of a lie. They are not mutually exclusive. It is possible to have heard Wright say controversial things without having been present on one particular Sunday. In much the same way, I have seen you be illogical many times without having read every single illogical thing you have ever written.
I guess your case hinges on showing that Obama was, in fact, in the room when the much-discussed YouTube clips were recorded. Go for it, buddy; I encourage you to get to the bottom of the story. I didn’t vote for Obama in the primary; it’s no skin off my nose.
The harder you try and spin that Doc, the more foolish you appear.
Keep it up. I have a hard time convincing some moderates and independents that anyone could be as stupid as you. Now, we have MORE proof.
The words “spin” and “foolish” apparently don’t mean what you think they mean. Could it be that you’ve been blinded by Obama Derangement Syndrome? Or maybe just anti-black hatred? The way that you’re fabricating your “proof,” I’d guess that it is the latter.
Is this the same kind of thinking you did when you were in the Reagan Administration (if that’s true)? No wonder it was such a bowl full of losers.
You really have sipped the Clinton Kool Aid Doc. And I’ll ignore your petty insults.
I would think that you would be eager to ask the question: “What did Obama hear and when did he hear it” but I don’t imagine you really care about the answer.
You really are what we call a “time waster.”
For the eleventeenth time, I encourage you to find out. For the sake of the overall political discourse, however, I wish that you’d stick to the facts as you do it. It may very well be that Obama is lying his ass off about this and every other topic he addresses. He probably is; he’s a politician. But just taking two quotes, sticking them side by side and calling them evidence of lying–when, taken together, they are not proof of lying–is intellectually dishonest.
It’s like one of those teachers who suspends a kid for something he knows the kid didn’t do, but he rationalizes it by telling himself, “Well, I’m sure that the kid did things in the past that I didn’t catch, so I’m not really doing anything wrong.”
I’d be interested in you telling me which of the two sentences you’ve juxtaposed up above is the lie.
In other news, I didn’t vote for Clinton in my primary, either. What conceivable part of what I’ve written shows that I’ve “sipped the Clinton Kool Aid?” The part about where I chastise you for your Obama Derangement Syndrome? In one thread, you take me from mindlessly following Obama to mindlessly following Clinton. The very suggestion shows that you either know nothing at all about the Clinton/Obama dynamic, or you are another one of those Internet scribblers who chooses a catchphrase from a list of talking points–in this case, “Sipping the Kool-Aid”–wedges it into your post, and calls it a day. Maybe you should think before you hit the “send” button, MA.
Oh, and you’re going to ignore my petty insults? Big of you, pal, after what you’ve called me here and elsewhere. You’re a real standup guy.
“For the eleventeenth time, I encourage you to find out. ” Sorry Doc, but you’ve shown a REMARKABLE ability to ignore anything that the rest of us have learned. Are you SO completely ill-equipped to get the answers to these questions?
I PERSONALLY confronted John McCain with the weak points of his appeal to conservatives. I would think you would want to do the same for Obama, but obviously you do not care.
Transparently, you’ll swallow the Kool Aid you are served.
Your continued silence on this issue says volumes about your inability to think your way out of a wet paper bag.
Remember: the reason that the guy snarled, “I don’t got to show you no stinkin’ badges,” is because he had no badges to show. A lot of what you post here has the same hollow bluster to it.
Nice try Doc. But if a “Doc” can’t cure a LAME analogy, there is no hope.
You want to be the class fool, fine by me.
You have my vote.
Your next insult on this thread will be deleted. Have fun writing the Huffington Post and telling them what a hero you are.
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I may have been gone a few days Doc, but in light of your quote above, you might want to rethink your above post. Also, read Mikes original post. I believe it answers your question in the first two quotes from Obama.
Obama is pandering to black people!!
Obama forgot to mention while going on about his white grandmother who worked on a bomber assembly line at Fort Leavenworth. He forgot tto mention evidently not during a war, that white granny was a Bank Vice President (Like Mr Drysdale on Beverly Hillbillys)…they make huge money…hardly so humble as he portrays. His black father and the Kenya thing, Obama’s father was dead by the time he was two..I doubt he even knew him……..and Obama had never been to Kenya until the 1980’s
The poor old black granny who lives in a hut in Kenya..was one of his fathers 3 wives the third one…she wasn’t even related to him. She is the one Sarah who lied about the muslim thing saying she wasn’t a muslim she was christian!!….only it had already been in a Times article that she claimed in her own words she was a devout muslim.
So I agree with the hiding of this muslim part of his life in Indonesia…that is where his memories and formative years would be living with his mother and stepfather (a muslim) from 6yrs to 10yrs old when he went to the Wahabbist Madrassa, and then moving to Hawaii with his white mothers parents after 10 through high school. So why all the talk about Kenya…is just to relate to black people for political purposes