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Mortis
16 years ago
Thanks a ton for posting the transcripts. I saw it on FNC, and then listened to it again on the 9PM replay on XM Radio just to make sure I had heard what I thought I heard.
I found a clip of this on youtube but now I can’t find it again, anyone got it?
ChrisG
16 years ago
So it is somehow the republican’s fault that democrats in Florida introduced a bill that passed and then the DNC (a non-state actor) imposed what I consider an unConstitutional barring of Florida’s delegates after people in Florida cast their ballots? And now it is somehow the RNC’s fault that the DNC disenfranchised voters?
Is Rove’s mind control stat still sending out signals? These people’s tinfoil is a tad loose.
Uddercha0s
16 years ago
Chris,
It is not unconstitutional for Florida’s delegates to be barred. If anything, I would have to say that having primaries is unconstitutional. Somewhere I missed the part where we were supposed to first vote for the person who we’d like to later vote for POTUS. It kind of makes the barrier to entry in running for POTUS a little tougher.
Chris: Didn’t Florida pass this law AFTER being warned by the DNC that if they did, their delegation would not be seated?
Here’s the video:
The loon who posted that had it titled: “Rep. Debbie Wasserman-Schultz smacks down Brit Hume.” I’m not sure in what alternate universe that statement would be true. But in looking around on this topic I found more than one Dem who buys into this notion that Republicans in Florida are to blame for this mess started by Democrats.
Further proof, not that any were needed, that these people will NEVER take responsibility for their actions. And thus, they should never have positions of responsibility.
These idiots are saying the same thing in Michigan. I am still looking through the US Constitution to see where it says a political party, I.E. the DNC, has authority over a soveriegn US State.
My knowledge of US government says the chain of governance goes local-state-federal, not local-state-political party-federal.
I brought that up a few weeks ago. I could see two elections. A “primary” for all the candidates and a final for the top two or three. But nothing in the US Constitution says political party primaries are required.
Nothing in the Constitution provides for political parties either.
But I believe the Founders saw them as necessary.
Also, the DNC, like the RNC, has every right to set rules and procedures for the participation of it’s members. And they can change the rules now to let the Florida delegation be seated but that’s unlikely. Without enforcing their rules the primary season next time around would be a bigger circus than this one.
wesmorgan1
16 years ago
The sad thing is that both the Florida and Michigan parties decided to spit in the face of the national DNC, and now they’re paying the price. The irony is that, had they left well enough alone, the close race between Clinton and Obama would have made their primaries even MORE important today.
rockhead
16 years ago
How many times have the Dems tried to change the rules concerning an election, even during a recount? They never lose, the election was either stolen or we (the voters) were just too stupid to vote correctly. As Mike points out, these people never take responsibility for their own actions. Hillary promised (I think) 200,000 jobs for the people of New York. When questioned where the jobs were, she accused the Republicans of stopping her. I wish the Republicans were as strong as these whiners claim, maybe we could actually get something done.
marinetbryant
16 years ago
Therein lies the problem with state legislatures and Congress, they throw in everything but the kitchen sink to obscure the true intent of a bill. It’s a “I’ll vote for your part of the bill if you put my part into that bill and you vote for it.” Why can’t we have one bill on one subject, vote on it and then move on to the next one.
The sad thing is that both the Florida and Michigan parties decided to spit in the face of the national DNC, and now they’re paying the price. The irony is that, had they left well enough alone, the close race between Clinton and Obama would have made their primaries even MORE important today.
Fast Forward eight months
It’s being reported that the former states of Michigan and Florida may get around to re-voting to re-ratify their inclusion back into the United States after ceeding from the Union last summer. Both former governors implied that they preferred to move the dates of the ratification ahead of the schedule to resume their respective relevance according the the newly formed Election Workers Union.
David
16 years ago
It seems like a “do-over” is always the Dems’ solution to an electoral issue:
ITEM: The Florida recount mess in 2000. Gore, DNC, and the Florida Democratic Party suggests a “do-over” of the election. Reason – the ballot layout was “misleading” in which people were voting for Nader or Buchanan but really “wanted” to vote for Gore.
ITEM: The Ohio election in 2004. With Kerry losing by over 120-140,000 votes, the Kerry campaign is mulling over a challenge to the outcome. DNC suggests a way to “correct” the problem would be a “do-over.” (This is how the Denver Post/RM News portrayed the Ohio 2004 election.)
ITEM: The Colorado election in 2004. Voting in the Denver Metro area is a total mess. Electronic voting machines, being used for the first time, are not working for a variety of technical reasons (failure to boot up, can’t reboot, etc.). Throughout the day, the Colorado Dems are suggesting a statewide “do-over” as a way to “correct” the vote count. When the statewide idea is dismissed out of hand, the Colorado Dems suggest a “do-over” in the Denver Metro area at “select” precincts.
David: You bring up a good point. If we start allowing “redo” voting when a group of people are dissatisfied with the result, we open the pandora’s box.
Frankly, if we’re going to have a redo in Florida, I’d like to redo the GOP primary as well. Maybe GOP voters would like to reconsider John McCain.
Thanks a ton for posting the transcripts. I saw it on FNC, and then listened to it again on the 9PM replay on XM Radio just to make sure I had heard what I thought I heard.
She’s a couple fires short of a Happy Meal, IMO.
I found a clip of this on youtube but now I can’t find it again, anyone got it?
So it is somehow the republican’s fault that democrats in Florida introduced a bill that passed and then the DNC (a non-state actor) imposed what I consider an unConstitutional barring of Florida’s delegates after people in Florida cast their ballots? And now it is somehow the RNC’s fault that the DNC disenfranchised voters?
Is Rove’s mind control stat still sending out signals? These people’s tinfoil is a tad loose.
Chris,
It is not unconstitutional for Florida’s delegates to be barred. If anything, I would have to say that having primaries is unconstitutional. Somewhere I missed the part where we were supposed to first vote for the person who we’d like to later vote for POTUS. It kind of makes the barrier to entry in running for POTUS a little tougher.
Chris: Didn’t Florida pass this law AFTER being warned by the DNC that if they did, their delegation would not be seated?
Here’s the video:
The loon who posted that had it titled: “Rep. Debbie Wasserman-Schultz smacks down Brit Hume.” I’m not sure in what alternate universe that statement would be true. But in looking around on this topic I found more than one Dem who buys into this notion that Republicans in Florida are to blame for this mess started by Democrats.
Further proof, not that any were needed, that these people will NEVER take responsibility for their actions. And thus, they should never have positions of responsibility.
Mike,
These idiots are saying the same thing in Michigan. I am still looking through the US Constitution to see where it says a political party, I.E. the DNC, has authority over a soveriegn US State.
My knowledge of US government says the chain of governance goes local-state-federal, not local-state-political party-federal.
Uddercha0s,
I brought that up a few weeks ago. I could see two elections. A “primary” for all the candidates and a final for the top two or three. But nothing in the US Constitution says political party primaries are required.
Nothing in the Constitution provides for political parties either.
But I believe the Founders saw them as necessary.
Also, the DNC, like the RNC, has every right to set rules and procedures for the participation of it’s members. And they can change the rules now to let the Florida delegation be seated but that’s unlikely. Without enforcing their rules the primary season next time around would be a bigger circus than this one.
The sad thing is that both the Florida and Michigan parties decided to spit in the face of the national DNC, and now they’re paying the price. The irony is that, had they left well enough alone, the close race between Clinton and Obama would have made their primaries even MORE important today.
How many times have the Dems tried to change the rules concerning an election, even during a recount? They never lose, the election was either stolen or we (the voters) were just too stupid to vote correctly. As Mike points out, these people never take responsibility for their own actions. Hillary promised (I think) 200,000 jobs for the people of New York. When questioned where the jobs were, she accused the Republicans of stopping her. I wish the Republicans were as strong as these whiners claim, maybe we could actually get something done.
Therein lies the problem with state legislatures and Congress, they throw in everything but the kitchen sink to obscure the true intent of a bill. It’s a “I’ll vote for your part of the bill if you put my part into that bill and you vote for it.” Why can’t we have one bill on one subject, vote on it and then move on to the next one.
Tom
Fast Forward eight months
It’s being reported that the former states of Michigan and Florida may get around to re-voting to re-ratify their inclusion back into the United States after ceeding from the Union last summer. Both former governors implied that they preferred to move the dates of the ratification ahead of the schedule to resume their respective relevance according the the newly formed Election Workers Union.
It seems like a “do-over” is always the Dems’ solution to an electoral issue:
ITEM: The Florida recount mess in 2000. Gore, DNC, and the Florida Democratic Party suggests a “do-over” of the election. Reason – the ballot layout was “misleading” in which people were voting for Nader or Buchanan but really “wanted” to vote for Gore.
ITEM: The Ohio election in 2004. With Kerry losing by over 120-140,000 votes, the Kerry campaign is mulling over a challenge to the outcome. DNC suggests a way to “correct” the problem would be a “do-over.” (This is how the Denver Post/RM News portrayed the Ohio 2004 election.)
ITEM: The Colorado election in 2004. Voting in the Denver Metro area is a total mess. Electronic voting machines, being used for the first time, are not working for a variety of technical reasons (failure to boot up, can’t reboot, etc.). Throughout the day, the Colorado Dems are suggesting a statewide “do-over” as a way to “correct” the vote count. When the statewide idea is dismissed out of hand, the Colorado Dems suggest a “do-over” in the Denver Metro area at “select” precincts.
David: You bring up a good point. If we start allowing “redo” voting when a group of people are dissatisfied with the result, we open the pandora’s box.
Frankly, if we’re going to have a redo in Florida, I’d like to redo the GOP primary as well. Maybe GOP voters would like to reconsider John McCain.