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]]> By: Flopping Aces » Blog Archive » Words Matter http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/03/02/islam-for-dhimmis/#comment-60208 Flopping Aces » Blog Archive » Words Matter Mon, 12 May 2008 13:57:43 +0000 http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/03/02/islam-for-dhimmis/#comment-60208 [...] husband, who is an Army chaplain, has worked hard toward shifting our lexicon, to win the overall war: I am active duty US Army. I am a senior noncommissioned officer in the Chaplain Corps and have [...] [...] husband, who is an Army chaplain, has worked hard toward shifting our lexicon, to win the overall war: I am active duty US Army. I am a senior noncommissioned officer in the Chaplain Corps and have [...]

]]> By: The Baltimore Reporter http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/03/02/islam-for-dhimmis/#comment-59757 The Baltimore Reporter Mon, 12 May 2008 04:02:59 +0000 http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/03/02/islam-for-dhimmis/#comment-59757 [...] now, I think we have become so “educated” on Islam, that as mostly outsiders looking in, we have only educated ourselves to the opposite extreme, in [...] [...] now, I think we have become so “educated” on Islam, that as mostly outsiders looking in, we have only educated ourselves to the opposite extreme, in [...]

]]> By: Flopping Aces » Blog Archive » Religious Bigotry from the Right http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/03/02/islam-for-dhimmis/#comment-59300 Flopping Aces » Blog Archive » Religious Bigotry from the Right Sun, 11 May 2008 17:17:22 +0000 http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/03/02/islam-for-dhimmis/#comment-59300 [...] now, I think we have become so “educated” on Islam, that as mostly outsiders looking in, we have only educated ourselves to the opposite extreme, in [...] [...] now, I think we have become so “educated” on Islam, that as mostly outsiders looking in, we have only educated ourselves to the opposite extreme, in [...]

]]> By: suek http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/03/02/islam-for-dhimmis/#comment-23174 suek Fri, 07 Mar 2008 18:40:00 +0000 http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/03/02/islam-for-dhimmis/#comment-23174 Ok...last link...I swear! But I keep running into them...! http://www.vigilantfreedom.org/910blog/2008/03/07/in-one-week-fgm-protestors-under-attack-in-europe/ Ok…last link…I swear! But I keep running into them…!

http://www.vigilantfreedom.org/910blog/2008/03/07/in-one-week-fgm-protestors-under-attack-in-europe/

]]> By: suek http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/03/02/islam-for-dhimmis/#comment-22895 suek Thu, 06 Mar 2008 17:30:53 +0000 http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/03/02/islam-for-dhimmis/#comment-22895 Here's a link on the correlation of religion and laws in Afghanistan...civil laws _must_ conform with islam... http://the-gathering-storm.blogspot.com/2008/03/storm-track-infiltration-our.html (if anyone is still out there!) Here’s a link on the correlation of religion and laws in Afghanistan…civil laws _must_ conform with islam…

http://the-gathering-storm.blogspot.com/2008/03/storm-track-infiltration-our.html

(if anyone is still out there!)

]]> By: Lisa http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/03/02/islam-for-dhimmis/#comment-22684 Lisa Thu, 06 Mar 2008 00:48:05 +0000 http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/03/02/islam-for-dhimmis/#comment-22684 I will check those links out, Vince. Thanks. Suek, I am checking your link out too. This has been a good discussion. Thanks. I will check those links out, Vince. Thanks. Suek, I am checking your link out too. This has been a good discussion. Thanks.

]]> By: suek http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/03/02/islam-for-dhimmis/#comment-22682 suek Thu, 06 Mar 2008 00:46:16 +0000 http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/03/02/islam-for-dhimmis/#comment-22682 Even a cartoon might help explain why some of us feel like we do...! http://drsanity.blogspot.com/2008/03/diversity.html Even a cartoon might help explain why some of us feel like we do…!

http://drsanity.blogspot.com/2008/03/diversity.html

]]> By: Vince P http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/03/02/islam-for-dhimmis/#comment-22659 Vince P Wed, 05 Mar 2008 23:04:31 +0000 http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/03/02/islam-for-dhimmis/#comment-22659 I also have a document called "Islam 101" which explains at length why Islam is a problem: http://home.comcast.net/~vincep312/islam101.1.html I also have a document called “Islam 101″ which explains at length why Islam is a problem:

http://home.comcast.net/~vincep312/islam101.1.html

]]> By: Vince P http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/03/02/islam-for-dhimmis/#comment-22656 Vince P Wed, 05 Mar 2008 23:03:43 +0000 http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/03/02/islam-for-dhimmis/#comment-22656 I recommend watching Undercover Mosque.. a news show that was airred in the UK about what the Muslims are preaching in thier mosques: http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=EA0270E133DC8334 And also this documentary: Islam: What the West Needs to Know http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=1A045388288AF6ED And on my website , I have a booklist : http://home.comcast.net/~vincep312/books.html I recommend watching Undercover Mosque.. a news show that was airred in the UK about what the Muslims are preaching in thier mosques:

http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=EA0270E133DC8334

And also this documentary: Islam: What the West Needs to Know

http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=1A045388288AF6ED

And on my website , I have a booklist :

http://home.comcast.net/~vincep312/books.html

]]> By: suek http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/03/02/islam-for-dhimmis/#comment-22653 suek Wed, 05 Mar 2008 22:56:05 +0000 http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/03/02/islam-for-dhimmis/#comment-22653 Lisa, what you are not considering is that islam is not "just" a religion as we understand religion - it's a political system as well. Sharia is _the law_ which is the only form of law acceptable in islamic countries. It is religious law, and it is enforced as what we would call civil law. Wikipedia may not be the absolute authority on things, but it's worth while for you to check out this site there and follow it where you choose. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Project Lisa, what you are not considering is that islam is not “just” a religion as we understand religion - it’s a political system as well. Sharia is _the law_ which is the only form of law acceptable in islamic countries. It is religious law, and it is enforced as what we would call civil law. Wikipedia may not be the absolute authority on things, but it’s worth while for you to check out this site there and follow it where you choose.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Project

]]> By: Lisa http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/03/02/islam-for-dhimmis/#comment-22648 Lisa Wed, 05 Mar 2008 22:22:24 +0000 http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/03/02/islam-for-dhimmis/#comment-22648 I don't necessarily want to give them the benefit of the doubt. People who want to live by religious law rather than secular law are antithetical to a functioning democracy, even if they profess moderation. To me, there is no such thing as a moderate theocracy. I agree with you on that. As a matter of fact, I agree with you on most of what you said. I just think that if we want to keep our very useful allied nations that happen to have a majority of Muslims, as well as maintaining good relations with the relatively assimilated Muslim citizens already here, we should not take the stance that "Islam is the enemy". I am just not convinced that the religion its self is the enemy. Maybe it is. Shit. Now I am nervous. I don’t necessarily want to give them the benefit of the doubt. People who want to live by religious law rather than secular law are antithetical to a functioning democracy, even if they profess moderation. To me, there is no such thing as a moderate theocracy. I agree with you on that.

As a matter of fact, I agree with you on most of what you said. I just think that if we want to keep our very useful allied nations that happen to have a majority of Muslims, as well as maintaining good relations with the relatively assimilated Muslim citizens already here, we should not take the stance that “Islam is the enemy”.

I am just not convinced that the religion its self is the enemy. Maybe it is. Shit. Now I am nervous.

]]> By: Vince P http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/03/02/islam-for-dhimmis/#comment-22580 Vince P Wed, 05 Mar 2008 17:55:32 +0000 http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/03/02/islam-for-dhimmis/#comment-22580 <BLOCKquote>You never said they were all terrorists, but you propose to treat them all like that</blockquote> And whose fault is that? Do you have the magic formulation to detect who is a threat and who isn't? Is it your contention that therefore since we can't tell who is bad and who isn't of a Religion that specificly calls for the destruction of our system of government that we have to allow more immigrants of this ideology into the country? Madness! <blockquote> I think if a person wants to come here, he or she is free to practice their religion WITHIN THE CONFINES OF THE CONSTITUTION. If anyone’s religious fuckery comes up against the constitution or even just basic human rights, sorry buddy, but the constitution wins….we don’t give a damn what you used to do back in Kabul.</blockquote> That's all well and good. Not very realistic. We already have people in the country whose aim is to subvert the Constitution.. not a thing is being done about it. And I suggest that if you DON'T want Internment Camps in the future then its best to not even let them in in the first place. We have to use our brains. You want to maintain American values? Well that means you need an America to exist... and if we stupidly keep allowing Muslims to flood into the country then our values are put increasingly at risk. Our society is based on trust.. all our assumptions about other people is that they'll basically live in a Federal Republic system... we have no frame of reference of a group people whose religious outlook is that even our basic form of government is an affront to god. People want to give Muslims the benefit of the doubt. Why? Where in the world today are Muslims of one kind or another NOT causing strife, violence, degradation? It's stupid to assume we're immune. <blockquote>Multiculturalism can be cool, in Baltimore, we have ethnic enclaves where certain groups of people set up shop and developed thriving communities.</blockquote> I think you're speaking of Pluralism. Multiculturalism says "Muslims want to establish and live by sharia law in the areas they live. Nothing to see here". Pluralism says "Though you and I may have diverse heritages and traditions, in areas of law, nationality and ethics we share a common set of ideas"

You never said they were all terrorists, but you propose to treat them all like that

And whose fault is that? Do you have the magic formulation to detect who is a threat and who isn’t? Is it your contention that therefore since we can’t tell who is bad and who isn’t of a Religion that specificly calls for the destruction of our system of government that we have to allow more immigrants of this ideology into the country?

Madness!

I think if a person wants to come here, he or she is free to practice their religion WITHIN THE CONFINES OF THE CONSTITUTION. If anyone’s religious fuckery comes up against the constitution or even just basic human rights, sorry buddy, but the constitution wins….we don’t give a damn what you used to do back in Kabul.

That’s all well and good. Not very realistic. We already have people in the country whose aim is to subvert the Constitution.. not a thing is being done about it. And I suggest that if you DON’T want Internment Camps in the future then its best to not even let them in in the first place.

We have to use our brains. You want to maintain American values? Well that means you need an America to exist… and if we stupidly keep allowing Muslims to flood into the country then our values are put increasingly at risk. Our society is based on trust.. all our assumptions about other people is that they’ll basically live in a Federal Republic system… we have no frame of reference of a group people whose religious outlook is that even our basic form of government is an affront to god.

People want to give Muslims the benefit of the doubt. Why? Where in the world today are Muslims of one kind or another NOT causing strife, violence, degradation? It’s stupid to assume we’re immune.

Multiculturalism can be cool, in Baltimore, we have ethnic enclaves where certain groups of people set up shop and developed thriving communities.

I think you’re speaking of Pluralism. Multiculturalism says “Muslims want to establish and live by sharia law in the areas they live. Nothing to see here”. Pluralism says “Though you and I may have diverse heritages and traditions, in areas of law, nationality and ethics we share a common set of ideas”

]]> By: suek http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/03/02/islam-for-dhimmis/#comment-22570 suek Wed, 05 Mar 2008 17:24:10 +0000 http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/03/02/islam-for-dhimmis/#comment-22570 Here's another one. Please note that these sites I link to are not "hateful", but they clearly indicate that whether the actions of islamists are terroristic or simply pushy, they all are directed towards imposing islam on the rest of the world. They have declared war on us - in the _name_ of islam - whether their people want it or not, and we are fools if we ignore that fact. If there are those among them who choose to join our side, then I say they're welcome, but they have to _condemn_ the efforts of those who work against us, and they have to make it unequivocably clear that they have chosen us - who are the declared enemy according to their religious leaders (at least most of the religious leaders). I agree that there seems to be some movement away from this attitude, but until it prevails, we cannot pretend that the jihadists are in the minority lest we be overtaken and defeated while we wait for the majority to make their will known. http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/3056 I just keep running across more info! Here’s another one. Please note that these sites I link to are not “hateful”, but they clearly indicate that whether the actions of islamists are terroristic or simply pushy, they all are directed towards imposing islam on the rest of the world. They have declared war on us - in the _name_ of islam - whether their people want it or not, and we are fools if we ignore that fact. If there are those among them who choose to join our side, then I say they’re welcome, but they have to _condemn_ the efforts of those who work against us, and they have to make it unequivocably clear that they have chosen us - who are the declared enemy according to their religious leaders (at least most of the religious leaders). I agree that there seems to be some movement away from this attitude, but until it prevails, we cannot pretend that the jihadists are in the minority lest we be overtaken and defeated while we wait for the majority to make their will known.

http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/3056

I just keep running across more info!

]]> By: Lisa http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/03/02/islam-for-dhimmis/#comment-22567 Lisa Wed, 05 Mar 2008 17:15:51 +0000 http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/03/02/islam-for-dhimmis/#comment-22567 You never said they were all terrorists, but you propose to treat them all like that. I am not a fan of any religion, I am not proposing that we kiss their asses and accept Sharia law. I do believe that Europe fucked up by not demanding at least a modicum of assimilation. I think if a person wants to come here, he or she is free to practice their religion WITHIN THE CONFINES OF THE CONSTITUTION. If anyone's religious fuckery comes up against the constitution or even just basic human rights, sorry buddy, but the constitution wins....we don't give a damn what you used to do back in Kabul. I think demanding that immigrants conform to our cultural norms is not unreasonable. Monitoring any kind of religious or political crazy talk is not unreasonable either. Multiculturalism can be cool, in Baltimore, we have ethnic enclaves where certain groups of people set up shop and developed thriving communities. You never said they were all terrorists, but you propose to treat them all like that. I am not a fan of any religion, I am not proposing that we kiss their asses and accept Sharia law. I do believe that Europe fucked up by not demanding at least a modicum of assimilation. I think if a person wants to come here, he or she is free to practice their religion WITHIN THE CONFINES OF THE CONSTITUTION. If anyone’s religious fuckery comes up against the constitution or even just basic human rights, sorry buddy, but the constitution wins….we don’t give a damn what you used to do back in Kabul. I think demanding that immigrants conform to our cultural norms is not unreasonable. Monitoring any kind of religious or political crazy talk is not unreasonable either. Multiculturalism can be cool, in Baltimore, we have ethnic enclaves where certain groups of people set up shop and developed thriving communities.

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