Comments on: Hillary Supporters Attack McCain On His Military Experience http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/03/02/hillary-supporters-attack-mccain-on-his-military-experience/ Sun, 08 Nov 2009 11:21:07 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: Philadelphia Steve http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/03/02/hillary-supporters-attack-mccain-on-his-military-experience/#comment-23540 Philadelphia Steve Sun, 09 Mar 2008 00:40:06 +0000 http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/03/02/hillary-supporters-attack-mccain-on-his-military-experience/#comment-23540 As an add-on to my earlier post, I personally do believe John McCain when he says that he refused early release. As an add-on to my earlier post, I personally do believe John McCain when he says that he refused early release.

]]> By: MariesTwoCents http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/03/02/hillary-supporters-attack-mccain-on-his-military-experience/#comment-22351 MariesTwoCents Wed, 05 Mar 2008 00:07:51 +0000 http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/03/02/hillary-supporters-attack-mccain-on-his-military-experience/#comment-22351 Jainphx, I didnt mean anything towards you with my comment I was just commenting on this post. I hope you didnt think I was mad at you, I'm just mad at Gloria. Jainphx,

I didnt mean anything towards you with my comment I was just commenting on this post.

I hope you didnt think I was mad at you, I’m just mad at Gloria.

]]> By: pagar http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/03/02/hillary-supporters-attack-mccain-on-his-military-experience/#comment-22333 pagar Tue, 04 Mar 2008 22:15:14 +0000 http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/03/02/hillary-supporters-attack-mccain-on-his-military-experience/#comment-22333 jainphx, As one of those who did return from Vietnam, I should like to offer my condolences on your brother's death. For those who have an interest, the Feb edition of the VFW magazine has, IMO, an outstanding article on ongoing efforts to obtain more info on <a href="http://www.vfw.org/index.cfm?fa=news.magDtl&dtl=3&mid=4440" rel="nofollow">MIAs</a> "For as many MIAs still unaccounted for today, there are a similar number of families just like Taylor’s seeking answers. Tasked with fulfilling that mission is the Joint POW/MIA Accounting Command (JPAC) in Hawaii and the Defense POW/Missing Personnel Office (DPMO) in Washington, D.C." jainphx, As one of those who did return from Vietnam, I should like to offer my condolences on your brother’s death.

For those who have an interest, the Feb edition of the VFW magazine has, IMO, an outstanding article on ongoing efforts to obtain more info on MIAs

“For as many MIAs still unaccounted for today, there are a similar number of families just like Taylor’s seeking answers. Tasked with fulfilling that mission is the Joint POW/MIA Accounting Command (JPAC) in Hawaii and the Defense POW/Missing Personnel Office (DPMO) in Washington, D.C.”

]]> By: Formerly known as Skeptic http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/03/02/hillary-supporters-attack-mccain-on-his-military-experience/#comment-22305 Formerly known as Skeptic Tue, 04 Mar 2008 19:38:22 +0000 http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/03/02/hillary-supporters-attack-mccain-on-his-military-experience/#comment-22305 Just a quick look at Wikipedia provides these references: Timberg, An American Odyssey, p. 209. Harriman's September 13, 1968 cable said: "At tea break Le Duc Tho mentioned that DRV had intended to release Admiral McCain's son as one of the three pilots freed recently, but he had refused." and: Nowicki, Dan & Muller, Bill. "John McCain Report: Prisoner of War" , The Arizona Republic, 2007-03-01 (http://www.azcentral.com/news/specials/mccain/articles/0301mccainbio-chapter3.html) in which it is reported "McCain's account was corroborated by a cable from Averell Harriman, who was President Johnson's envoy to the Paris peace talks. Harriman had tea with a Vietnamese official, who mentioned that McCain had refused early release." This would have, of course, been well before McCain returned to make any claims of being offered and refusing release. I'm no historian, but I'm convinced. I would not be surprised to find out there is further corroborating evidence as well. Just a quick look at Wikipedia provides these references: Timberg, An American Odyssey, p. 209. Harriman’s September 13, 1968 cable said: “At tea break Le Duc Tho mentioned that DRV had intended to release Admiral McCain’s son as one of the three pilots freed recently, but he had refused.” and: Nowicki, Dan & Muller, Bill. “John McCain Report: Prisoner of War” , The Arizona Republic, 2007-03-01 (http://www.azcentral.com/news/specials/mccain/articles/0301mccainbio-chapter3.html) in which it is reported “McCain’s account was corroborated by a cable from Averell Harriman, who was President Johnson’s envoy to the Paris peace talks. Harriman had tea with a Vietnamese official, who mentioned that McCain had refused early release.”

This would have, of course, been well before McCain returned to make any claims of being offered and refusing release. I’m no historian, but I’m convinced. I would not be surprised to find out there is further corroborating evidence as well.

]]> By: Philadelphia Steve http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/03/02/hillary-supporters-attack-mccain-on-his-military-experience/#comment-22105 Philadelphia Steve Tue, 04 Mar 2008 01:07:47 +0000 http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/03/02/hillary-supporters-attack-mccain-on-his-military-experience/#comment-22105 Perhaps Senator Clinton was just taking a page from then Presidential candidate Geroge W. Bush. Weren't the Bush team spreading stories that John McCain was unstable because of his imprisonment in North Vietnam? I also believe that, in the South Carolina primary, they were soreading rumours that he had fathered a child there. But, of course, Conservatives did not complain too loudly about that, since it served the interests of Geroge W. Bush. Perhaps Senator Clinton was just taking a page from then Presidential candidate Geroge W. Bush. Weren’t the Bush team spreading stories that John McCain was unstable because of his imprisonment in North Vietnam? I also believe that, in the South Carolina primary, they were soreading rumours that he had fathered a child there.

But, of course, Conservatives did not complain too loudly about that, since it served the interests of Geroge W. Bush.

]]> By: jainphx http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/03/02/hillary-supporters-attack-mccain-on-his-military-experience/#comment-22082 jainphx Mon, 03 Mar 2008 23:48:24 +0000 http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/03/02/hillary-supporters-attack-mccain-on-his-military-experience/#comment-22082 I'll retire from this blog now that I've said my piece, I will continue to read but will no longer comment. I’ll retire from this blog now that I’ve said my piece, I will continue to read but will no longer comment.

]]> By: jainphx http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/03/02/hillary-supporters-attack-mccain-on-his-military-experience/#comment-22081 jainphx Mon, 03 Mar 2008 23:45:58 +0000 http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/03/02/hillary-supporters-attack-mccain-on-his-military-experience/#comment-22081 Formerly- Again I mean no disrespect, but who's word for that do we have. He stayed so others could go. I say if true I will formally say I,m sorry. Please show me the proof from someone other than McCain. I realize I'm not making friends with this argument and I'm not too happy about that. My Oldest brother was also a prisoner in Viet Nam, but he never came back, and no explanation was ever given, other that he died in captivity. Formerly- Again I mean no disrespect, but who’s word for that do we have. He stayed so others could go. I say if true I will formally say I,m sorry. Please show me the proof from someone other than McCain. I realize I’m not making friends with this argument and I’m not too happy about that. My Oldest brother was also a prisoner in Viet Nam, but he never came back, and no explanation was ever given, other that he died in captivity.

]]> By: MariesTwoCents http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/03/02/hillary-supporters-attack-mccain-on-his-military-experience/#comment-22056 MariesTwoCents Mon, 03 Mar 2008 21:43:28 +0000 http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/03/02/hillary-supporters-attack-mccain-on-his-military-experience/#comment-22056 This totally pisses me off! Whatever your political opinion of John McCain is that is seperate from John McCain's service to his Country in the Armed Forces. John McCain is a Hero who has given Gloria the "Bitch" Steinam the Freedom to express her sefullilling crud! That's crosses the line when Gloria start's in on McCain's Service Record and I hope the Bitch fries in hell! This totally pisses me off!

Whatever your political opinion of John McCain is that is seperate from John McCain’s service to his Country in the Armed Forces.

John McCain is a Hero who has given Gloria the “Bitch” Steinam the Freedom to express her sefullilling crud!

That’s crosses the line when Gloria start’s in on McCain’s Service Record and I hope the Bitch fries in hell!

]]> By: wesmorgan1 http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/03/02/hillary-supporters-attack-mccain-on-his-military-experience/#comment-22043 wesmorgan1 Mon, 03 Mar 2008 20:55:19 +0000 http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/03/02/hillary-supporters-attack-mccain-on-his-military-experience/#comment-22043 Well, I've always wondered about how we can argue with one hand that "Congress is a big part of the problem" while elevating Congressional experience with the other. If you get right down to it, what solid "national security experience" do any of the candidates (of either party) have to their credit? Well, I’ve always wondered about how we can argue with one hand that “Congress is a big part of the problem” while elevating Congressional experience with the other.

If you get right down to it, what solid “national security experience” do any of the candidates (of either party) have to their credit?

]]> By: Igor R. http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/03/02/hillary-supporters-attack-mccain-on-his-military-experience/#comment-22020 Igor R. Mon, 03 Mar 2008 19:09:24 +0000 http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/03/02/hillary-supporters-attack-mccain-on-his-military-experience/#comment-22020 For either Hillary or Obama to make an argument that McCain is not qualified on military issues is similar to McCain arguing that these two are not qualified to destroy the United States. In both cases one side isn't pefect, but certainly incomparable in qualifications to the other. For either Hillary or Obama to make an argument that McCain is not qualified on military issues is similar to McCain arguing that these two are not qualified to destroy the United States. In both cases one side isn’t pefect, but certainly incomparable in qualifications to the other.

]]> By: Formerly known as Skeptic http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/03/02/hillary-supporters-attack-mccain-on-his-military-experience/#comment-22009 Formerly known as Skeptic Mon, 03 Mar 2008 18:16:55 +0000 http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/03/02/hillary-supporters-attack-mccain-on-his-military-experience/#comment-22009 Don't get me wrong, I'm not a John McCain stooge by any means. He was about my 4th choice for nominee, but this line of argument is poorly conceived. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not a John McCain stooge by any means. He was about my 4th choice for nominee, but this line of argument is poorly conceived.

]]> By: Formerly known as Skeptic http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/03/02/hillary-supporters-attack-mccain-on-his-military-experience/#comment-22008 Formerly known as Skeptic Mon, 03 Mar 2008 18:14:27 +0000 http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/03/02/hillary-supporters-attack-mccain-on-his-military-experience/#comment-22008 "Don’t anyone take this as an insult to McCain, but being kept some place against ones will doesn’t in itself make one a hero." Do you even know John McCain's story? After being repeatedly tortured (and by tortured, I mean REAL torture with real pain and debilitating injuries to this day), he was offered the opportunity to be released. He TURNED THEM DOWN unless his fellow prisoners were released as well. That is heroic in anyone's book. And that's not even getting into his service both before and AFTER his POW experience, which took major surgeries and physical therapy just to qualify for. Read about it sometime. “Don’t anyone take this as an insult to McCain, but being kept some place against ones will doesn’t in itself make one a hero.” Do you even know John McCain’s story? After being repeatedly tortured (and by tortured, I mean REAL torture with real pain and debilitating injuries to this day), he was offered the opportunity to be released. He TURNED THEM DOWN unless his fellow prisoners were released as well. That is heroic in anyone’s book. And that’s not even getting into his service both before and AFTER his POW experience, which took major surgeries and physical therapy just to qualify for. Read about it sometime.

]]> By: pagar http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/03/02/hillary-supporters-attack-mccain-on-his-military-experience/#comment-21942 pagar Mon, 03 Mar 2008 14:34:18 +0000 http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/03/02/hillary-supporters-attack-mccain-on-his-military-experience/#comment-21942 "Don’t anyone take this as an insult to McCain, but being kept some place against ones will doesn’t in itself make one a hero. " Compared to the actions of the 2004 Democrat presidential candidate in assuring victory for the people who held John McCain prisoner, John McCain is a super hero. “Don’t anyone take this as an insult to McCain, but being kept some place against ones will doesn’t in itself make one a hero. ” Compared to the actions of the 2004 Democrat presidential candidate in assuring victory for the people who held John McCain prisoner, John McCain is a super hero.

]]> By: jainphx http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/03/02/hillary-supporters-attack-mccain-on-his-military-experience/#comment-21929 jainphx Mon, 03 Mar 2008 13:40:01 +0000 http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/03/02/hillary-supporters-attack-mccain-on-his-military-experience/#comment-21929 Don't anyone take this as an insult to McCain, but being kept some place against ones will doesn't in itself make one a hero. I say again it's not like he could do much about it, except try to escape. There is something here that McCain is not proud of, after saying all that he still is an American that served his country, and for that he should be praised. Don’t anyone take this as an insult to McCain, but being kept some place against ones will doesn’t in itself make one a hero. I say again it’s not like he could do much about it, except try to escape. There is something here that McCain is not proud of, after saying all that he still is an American that served his country, and for that he should be praised.

]]> By: Scott http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/03/02/hillary-supporters-attack-mccain-on-his-military-experience/#comment-21892 Scott Mon, 03 Mar 2008 11:53:17 +0000 http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/03/02/hillary-supporters-attack-mccain-on-his-military-experience/#comment-21892 Wes wants to be VP. He might still get it regardless of the nominee. Dems need someone to counter McCain's natsec issues. A lot will revolve on who John chooses. Wes wants to be VP. He might still get it regardless of the nominee. Dems need someone to counter McCain’s natsec issues. A lot will revolve on who John chooses.

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