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	<title>Comments on: Iraq War Leaves Democrats at a Loss</title>
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		<title>By: Flopping Aces » Blog Archive &#187; Democrats Take Bush Position On Russian Invasion</title>
		<link>http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/02/29/iraq-war-leaves-democrats-at-a-loss/#comment-105255</link>
		<dc:creator>Flopping Aces » Blog Archive &#187; Democrats Take Bush Position On Russian Invasion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 13:24:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] US presence which was mandated by the United Nations in May of 2003; UN resolution 1483 sec1-4). They are at a loss. Nope. If the Democratic Party doesn&#8217;t protest it, then there&#8217;s no reason to protest, [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] US presence which was mandated by the United Nations in May of 2003; UN resolution 1483 sec1-4). They are at a loss. Nope. If the Democratic Party doesn&#8217;t protest it, then there&#8217;s no reason to protest, [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Flopping Aces » Blog Archive &#187; What Would a President Obama Do?</title>
		<link>http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/02/29/iraq-war-leaves-democrats-at-a-loss/#comment-94371</link>
		<dc:creator>Flopping Aces » Blog Archive &#187; What Would a President Obama Do?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2008 15:44:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Further Reads (Scott Malensek): The Democratic Party is a bunch of Chicken Doves Iraq War Leaves Democrats at a Loss [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Philadelphia Steve</title>
		<link>http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/02/29/iraq-war-leaves-democrats-at-a-loss/#comment-22142</link>
		<dc:creator>Philadelphia Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2008 04:44:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Was it worth it?

http://www.penguin.co.uk/nf/Book/BookDisplay/0,,9781846141287,00.html?breadcrumbList=stiglitz&amp;bcPath=c590614%2D00000000%23%23%2D1%23%23%2D1%7E%7Eq737469676c69747a&amp;searchProfile=UK-590614-global&amp;strSrchSql=stiglitz</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Was it worth it?</p>
<p><a href="http://www.penguin.co.uk/nf/Book/BookDisplay/0,,9781846141287,00.html?breadcrumbList=stiglitz&amp;bcPath=c590614%2D00000000%23%23%2D1%23%23%2D1%7E%7Eq737469676c69747a&amp;searchProfile=UK-590614-global&amp;strSrchSql=stiglitz" rel="nofollow">http://www.penguin.co.uk/nf/Book/BookDisplay/0,,9781846141287,00.html?breadcrumbList=stiglitz&amp;bcPath=c590614%2D00000000%23%23%2D1%23%23%2D1%7E%7Eq737469676c69747a&amp;searchProfile=UK-590614-global&amp;strSrchSql=stiglitz</a></p>
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		<title>By: Mike's America</title>
		<link>http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/02/29/iraq-war-leaves-democrats-at-a-loss/#comment-22136</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike's America</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2008 04:28:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The only &quot;Civil War&quot; on the scene is the one hatemongers like Philly Steve practice against their own countrymen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only &#8220;Civil War&#8221; on the scene is the one hatemongers like Philly Steve practice against their own countrymen.</p>
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		<title>By: Philadelphia Steve</title>
		<link>http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/02/29/iraq-war-leaves-democrats-at-a-loss/#comment-22115</link>
		<dc:creator>Philadelphia Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2008 01:35:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The civil war in iraq is ONLY at the levels of 2005.  And any sort of stable central government in Baghdad is years, if not decades, away.  Finally the Iraqi government that does exist is preparing to sign friendship agreements with the government of Iran (President Bush&#039;s &quot;Axis of Evil&quot; might come to pass after all).

And Conservatives are high-fiving themselves about what a heckuva job the Bush Administration is doing.

What ever happened to, &quot;if we&#039;re there [Iraq] for six months, that will be too long&quot;? (President Bush&#039;s Secretary fo Defense Donald Rumsfeld, the man VP Dick Cheney identified as &#039;the greatest Secretary of Defense in History&quot;).

Or are Conservatives not permitted to remember that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The civil war in iraq is ONLY at the levels of 2005.  And any sort of stable central government in Baghdad is years, if not decades, away.  Finally the Iraqi government that does exist is preparing to sign friendship agreements with the government of Iran (President Bush&#8217;s &#8220;Axis of Evil&#8221; might come to pass after all).</p>
<p>And Conservatives are high-fiving themselves about what a heckuva job the Bush Administration is doing.</p>
<p>What ever happened to, &#8220;if we&#8217;re there [Iraq] for six months, that will be too long&#8221;? (President Bush&#8217;s Secretary fo Defense Donald Rumsfeld, the man VP Dick Cheney identified as &#8216;the greatest Secretary of Defense in History&#8221;).</p>
<p>Or are Conservatives not permitted to remember that?</p>
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		<title>By: GINA COBB</title>
		<link>http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/02/29/iraq-war-leaves-democrats-at-a-loss/#comment-21218</link>
		<dc:creator>GINA COBB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Mar 2008 05:15:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;More on Obama&#039;s Well-Considered Iraq Plan: Withdraw, Re-Invade, Whatever...&lt;/strong&gt;

Flopping Aces has great commentary on Barack Obama&#039;s presposterous statementthat he would withdraw American troops from Iraq and then re-invade Iraq if Al Qaeda establishes a base there after the withdrawal, and John McCain&#039;s response. Recommended re...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>More on Obama&#8217;s Well-Considered Iraq Plan: Withdraw, Re-Invade, Whatever&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>Flopping Aces has great commentary on Barack Obama&#8217;s presposterous statementthat he would withdraw American troops from Iraq and then re-invade Iraq if Al Qaeda establishes a base there after the withdrawal, and John McCain&#8217;s response. Recommended re&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Igor R.</title>
		<link>http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/02/29/iraq-war-leaves-democrats-at-a-loss/#comment-21152</link>
		<dc:creator>Igor R.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 21:36:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just posted this on another thread but this satire is much more relevant to the topic here:

http://www.imao.us/archives/009710.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just posted this on another thread but this satire is much more relevant to the topic here:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.imao.us/archives/009710.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.imao.us/archives/009710.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
		<link>http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/02/29/iraq-war-leaves-democrats-at-a-loss/#comment-21144</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 21:08:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry Pagar...FREE PASS.  He&#039;s a (D) next to his name=above questioning</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry Pagar&#8230;FREE PASS.  He&#8217;s a (D) next to his name=above questioning</p>
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		<title>By: pagar</title>
		<link>http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/02/29/iraq-war-leaves-democrats-at-a-loss/#comment-21143</link>
		<dc:creator>pagar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 20:56:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Bill Clinton was able to avoid long protracted wars like Iraq and the war on terror by a combination of procrastination&quot;  

Bill Clinton just used the War on Terror to to drum up votes for his wife according to this WSJ &lt;a href=&quot;http://online.wsj.com/article_email/SB120277819085260827-lMyQjAxMDI4MDEyNDcxNzQ4Wj.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Story&lt;/a&gt;

&quot;Given all this, why would Bill Clinton, who had ignored the 3,226 clemency petitions that had piled up on his desk over the years, suddenly reach into the stack and pluck out these 16 meritless cases? (The New York Times ran a column with the headline, &quot;Bill&#039;s Little Gift.&quot;)

Hillary Rodham Clinton was in the midst of her state-wide &quot;listening tour&quot; in anticipation of her run for the U.S. Senate in New York, a state which included 1.3 million Hispanics. Three members of the Congressional Hispanic Caucus -- Luis V. Gutierrez (D., Ill.), Jose E. Serrano, (D., N.Y.) and Nydia M. Velazquez, (D., N.Y.) -- along with local Hispanic politicians and leftist human-rights advocates, had been agitating for years on behalf of the FALN cases directly to the White House and first lady.&quot;

&quot;FALN bragged about the bloodbath, calling the victims &quot;reactionary corporate executives&quot; and threatening: &quot;You have unleashed a storm from which you comfortable Yankees can&#039;t escape.&quot; By 1996, the FBI had linked FALN to 146 bombings and a string of armed robberies -- a reign of terror that resulted in nine deaths and hundreds of injured victims.

On Aug. 7, 1999, the one-year anniversary of the U.S. African embassy bombings that killed 257 people and injured 5,000, President Bill Clinton reaffirmed his commitment to the victims of terrorism, vowing that he &quot;will not rest until justice is done.&quot; Four days later, while Congress was on summer recess, the White House quietly issued a press release announcing that the president was granting clemency to 16 imprisoned members of FALN. What began as a simple paragraph on the AP wire exploded into a major controversy.&quot;

You have to read the entire article to understand just how vicious the killers Bill Clinton released were and just how far the American leftist politicians will go to show their contempt and hatred for America&#039;s law enforcement and/or military personnel. Bravo to the brave American lady who wrote it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Bill Clinton was able to avoid long protracted wars like Iraq and the war on terror by a combination of procrastination&#8221;  </p>
<p>Bill Clinton just used the War on Terror to to drum up votes for his wife according to this WSJ <a href="http://online.wsj.com/article_email/SB120277819085260827-lMyQjAxMDI4MDEyNDcxNzQ4Wj.html" rel="nofollow">Story</a></p>
<p>&#8220;Given all this, why would Bill Clinton, who had ignored the 3,226 clemency petitions that had piled up on his desk over the years, suddenly reach into the stack and pluck out these 16 meritless cases? (The New York Times ran a column with the headline, &#8220;Bill&#8217;s Little Gift.&#8221;)</p>
<p>Hillary Rodham Clinton was in the midst of her state-wide &#8220;listening tour&#8221; in anticipation of her run for the U.S. Senate in New York, a state which included 1.3 million Hispanics. Three members of the Congressional Hispanic Caucus &#8212; Luis V. Gutierrez (D., Ill.), Jose E. Serrano, (D., N.Y.) and Nydia M. Velazquez, (D., N.Y.) &#8212; along with local Hispanic politicians and leftist human-rights advocates, had been agitating for years on behalf of the FALN cases directly to the White House and first lady.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;FALN bragged about the bloodbath, calling the victims &#8220;reactionary corporate executives&#8221; and threatening: &#8220;You have unleashed a storm from which you comfortable Yankees can&#8217;t escape.&#8221; By 1996, the FBI had linked FALN to 146 bombings and a string of armed robberies &#8212; a reign of terror that resulted in nine deaths and hundreds of injured victims.</p>
<p>On Aug. 7, 1999, the one-year anniversary of the U.S. African embassy bombings that killed 257 people and injured 5,000, President Bill Clinton reaffirmed his commitment to the victims of terrorism, vowing that he &#8220;will not rest until justice is done.&#8221; Four days later, while Congress was on summer recess, the White House quietly issued a press release announcing that the president was granting clemency to 16 imprisoned members of FALN. What began as a simple paragraph on the AP wire exploded into a major controversy.&#8221;</p>
<p>You have to read the entire article to understand just how vicious the killers Bill Clinton released were and just how far the American leftist politicians will go to show their contempt and hatred for America&#8217;s law enforcement and/or military personnel. Bravo to the brave American lady who wrote it.</p>
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		<title>By: David M</title>
		<link>http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/02/29/iraq-war-leaves-democrats-at-a-loss/#comment-21123</link>
		<dc:creator>David M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 18:45:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Thunder Run has linked to this post in the - &lt;a href=&quot;http://thunderrun.blogspot.com/2008/02/web-reconnaissance-for-02292008.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; Web Reconnaissance for 02/29/2008 &lt;/a&gt; A short recon of what’s out there that might draw your attention, updated throughout the day...so check back often.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Thunder Run has linked to this post in the &#8211; <a href="http://thunderrun.blogspot.com/2008/02/web-reconnaissance-for-02292008.html" rel="nofollow"> Web Reconnaissance for 02/29/2008 </a> A short recon of what’s out there that might draw your attention, updated throughout the day&#8230;so check back often.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 17:21:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My vote for POST OF THE DAY AWARD goes to GI Joe!!!!!
&quot;who do you want to answer the WH phone @ 3:00am when the withdrawal from Iraq goes BAD? One of the two candidates that supported defeat of your country?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My vote for POST OF THE DAY AWARD goes to GI Joe!!!!!<br />
&#8220;who do you want to answer the WH phone @ 3:00am when the withdrawal from Iraq goes BAD? One of the two candidates that supported defeat of your country?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: GI Joe</title>
		<link>http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/02/29/iraq-war-leaves-democrats-at-a-loss/#comment-21095</link>
		<dc:creator>GI Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 16:55:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is delicious, who do you want to answer the WH phone @ 3:00am when the withdrawal from Iraq goes BAD? One of the two candidates that supported defeat of your country?
If Mccain can&#039;t manage to win in November, we will just have to start over.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is delicious, who do you want to answer the WH phone @ 3:00am when the withdrawal from Iraq goes BAD? One of the two candidates that supported defeat of your country?<br />
If Mccain can&#8217;t manage to win in November, we will just have to start over.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 15:26:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, thanks IR, but I don&#039;t think they&#039;ll pull out.  That&#039;s the point.  And if they won&#039;t (or can&#039;t) pullout, then what&#039;s the fear in terms of Natsec?  Bill Clinton was able to avoid long protracted wars like Iraq and the war on terror by a combination of procrastination and fighting lots of small wars.  I think since 911 and the invasion of Iraq, that kind of foreign policy can&#039;t happen.  Not realistically.  Threats can&#039;t be blown off for later Presidents anymore because they&#039;re already being engaged.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, thanks IR, but I don&#8217;t think they&#8217;ll pull out.  That&#8217;s the point.  And if they won&#8217;t (or can&#8217;t) pullout, then what&#8217;s the fear in terms of Natsec?  Bill Clinton was able to avoid long protracted wars like Iraq and the war on terror by a combination of procrastination and fighting lots of small wars.  I think since 911 and the invasion of Iraq, that kind of foreign policy can&#8217;t happen.  Not realistically.  Threats can&#8217;t be blown off for later Presidents anymore because they&#8217;re already being engaged.</p>
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		<title>By: IndependentReason</title>
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		<dc:creator>IndependentReason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 14:44:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you think Obama or Hillary would actually pull out, you&#039;re as dumb as their supporters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you think Obama or Hillary would actually pull out, you&#8217;re as dumb as their supporters.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
		<link>http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/02/29/iraq-war-leaves-democrats-at-a-loss/#comment-21069</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 14:16:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agree or disagree with that J, the question I have is can they afford to continue that in 2009?  If Obama becomes President, and he orders a withdrawal that is too fast=chaos breaks out, can he afford to continue and retreat, or does he have to send forces back in?  For example, he takes office in Jan 09, appeases his base and gets every last soldier out of Iraq by the end of the year, when chaos breaks out as the last chopper leaves and the last HUMMV drives out, can he afford to have 3yrs of chaos in Iraq, or does he have to push for a third invasion?  I think he can&#039;t afford to withdraw faster than what is needed.  How would that work for a 2011 re-election campaign: &quot;vote for me because I ran away from Iraq, let it collapse, and will leave it in chaos forever?&quot;  I don&#039;t think the pandered position of getting out in 2009 is tenable or realistic.  Not sure, but I don&#039;t think there&#039;s a single military advisor or retired officer who thinks it&#039;s a good idea.  Right now, it seems like the current strategy is the best if for no other reason than any other strategy brings worse consequences.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agree or disagree with that J, the question I have is can they afford to continue that in 2009?  If Obama becomes President, and he orders a withdrawal that is too fast=chaos breaks out, can he afford to continue and retreat, or does he have to send forces back in?  For example, he takes office in Jan 09, appeases his base and gets every last soldier out of Iraq by the end of the year, when chaos breaks out as the last chopper leaves and the last HUMMV drives out, can he afford to have 3yrs of chaos in Iraq, or does he have to push for a third invasion?  I think he can&#8217;t afford to withdraw faster than what is needed.  How would that work for a 2011 re-election campaign: &#8220;vote for me because I ran away from Iraq, let it collapse, and will leave it in chaos forever?&#8221;  I don&#8217;t think the pandered position of getting out in 2009 is tenable or realistic.  Not sure, but I don&#8217;t think there&#8217;s a single military advisor or retired officer who thinks it&#8217;s a good idea.  Right now, it seems like the current strategy is the best if for no other reason than any other strategy brings worse consequences.</p>
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