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Super Tuesday Forecast

Posted by: Mike's America @ 2:47 pm in Politics  | 1 views

Dark McClouds with patches of Romney sunlight. Probability of gloom: 80%!

Since the South Carolina primary, I admit I haven’t posted as frequently on the latest polling updates for the GOP presidential nominating contest. However, on the eve of Super Tuesday, a few brief reflections:

  • Zogby’s California poll with an extraordinarily large sample of 915 likely voters gives the nod in that state to Romney at 40% over McCain at 32%. A Rasmussen poll in the same period shows a tie while two other recent CA polls (notice smaller sample size) show McCain ahead. (recent CA polls). Note also that California awards it’s 173 delegates based on the candidate winning each congressional district. McCain could capture a significant number of delegates.
  • In the remaining Super Tuesday Western states there is not sufficient polling data to make a prediction. It’s possible Romney could do well in these states, but there are also not a great number of delegates at stake.
  • The race in Georgia is extremely close between McCain and Romney but Huckabee is only a few points off both. In most polls in Tennessee, Missouri and Alabama McCain is leading followed by Huckabee.
  • In the Northeast, Only Massachusetts looks solid in the Romney column and McCain has large leads in New York and Connecticut which award all their delegates to the winner and New Jersey.

Pollsters Rasmussen and Zogby have been on major media today describing a small boomlet for Romney, but also cautioning that it is unlikely to effect the outcome significantly.

One bright and hopeful sign that has gone widely unreported was Mitt Romney’s win in the Maine GOP Caucus on Saturday capturing 52% of the vote even though McCain had been endorsed by the states two liberal GOP Senators Olympia Snowe and Susan Collins.

The Mitt Problem

Mitt Romney’s current appeal is that he isn’t John McCain. Considering that Romney was the second or even third choice for many voters who had initially shied away from supporting the former Governor of one of the most liberal states, that says more about the weakness of John McCain in the GOP than it does about the strength of Mitt Romney.

During the early part of the 2007 race the field was wide open. And as late as last fall, who thought McCain would stage such a remarkable comeback? Not even his supporters who were largely silent until he started to win.

If Mitt scores well enough on Super Tuesday, it’s reported that he intends to carry on and fight it out state by state in the contests which follow Super Tuesday. There, he would be able to focus his anti-McCain forces intensely, but the available delegates in those contests are half what they are on February 5th.

There is a countervailing group of GOP insiders who insists that it would be better if Romney stepped aside after Super Tuesday and devoted all his efforts to helping GOP candidates win in 2008. Thereby, he would be the natural choice in 2012 if McCain failed. In other words, it would be Romney’s “turn” which is the same idiotic thinking behind letting McCain have his “turn” in 2008.

Sorry folks… After this, it’s OUR TURN again, and we’re not going to be dictated to by any more of these Washington insiders!

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JustADude
 1Reply to this comment  

Unless someone stands at the poll entrance with a baseball bat, Mitt is supposed to take Utah in a landslide where he is up about 40 points on everyone else.

February 4th, 2008 at 5:04 pm
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JustaDude: That would give Romney 36 delegates in a winner take all primary.

I just wish we had some inkling of support for Romney in all those other Western states.

February 4th, 2008 at 6:21 pm
Igor R.
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Mike, I suspect Romney will take all the Western states, in terms of achieving the voting majority, other than (necessarily) Arizona and the Pacific Northwest. The North East winner-take-all situation is of course a really bad hurdle. The real cliff-hangers are IMO Georgia for the sheer number of delegates and California (by even 1%) for the psychological boost. Tenn and Mo look pretty much lost to Mitt, but they are still close enough to watch and there has got to be a reason why he made a stop in Tenn. This is one exciting election, and for high stakes!

February 4th, 2008 at 7:02 pm
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Igor: What do you think of my overall forecast: 80% chance of gloom?

February 4th, 2008 at 7:24 pm
bbartlog
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I think Mitt has a good shot in any caucus state (so far McCain has gotten wiped out in every caucus except Louisiana, and it’s still not clear whether he won there). And there’s a lot of caucus states. Super Tuesday alone: West Virginia, North Dakota, Alaska, Minnesota, Montana, Oklahoma, Colorado. Of these, I expect Romney to do well everywhere except maybe Minnesota.

February 4th, 2008 at 8:21 pm
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bbart: Romney has done well in Caucuses. So perhaps we can expect that trend to continue. But West Virginia is an actual state convention. We should have their result by early afternoon.

More specific info on each Super Tuesday state here:

http://www.centerforpolitics.org/crystalball/article.php?id=FRC2008013101

I’m finding that delegate numbers are different from one source to the next. I hope someone has a reliable tally.

February 4th, 2008 at 8:38 pm
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I can’t believe that anyone would consider Romney a Conservative! He has been pro-abortion, anti-gun, pro-tax increase and pro-gay marriage!

He has precisely the same resume as the nuckle-head in office now except he did not fail at all of his businesses as W did.

This guy is nothing but a pandering hair-do with a pocket full of cash. You are all so easily fooled.

February 5th, 2008 at 4:56 am
reckless
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I will not vote for McCain under any circumstance.

Choose some one else.

February 5th, 2008 at 6:27 am
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It is not that we think that Romney is that much of a conservative. It is that he is not McCain. McCain is worse than Romney on many of the issues we hld dear. See, there areno more consservatives inthe race, so we have to vote for the lesser of 3 evils. McCain is just bad on 1st amendment, Illegal immigration, Gitmo, and has stabbed the GOP in the back for years, hell he even was thinking about quitting the GOP. Huckabe, well he is the same ilk as Dhimmi Carter. He wouldbe like The Silky Poney Edwards, a populist. That leaves Romeny, unless you think the tin foil hat wearing Ron Paul has any chance of coming out of his cave.

February 5th, 2008 at 6:28 am
bbartlog
 10Reply to this comment  

West Virginia is an actual state convention

True enough; I was lumping it with the caucuses because like a caucus it requires organization and commitment. Originally, Romney had the most committed delegates going to the convention and McCain had very few of those – counts:
Uncommitted 583
Romney 210
Huckabee 138
Thompson 116
Paul 95
Giuliani 44
McCain 15
Hunter 4
Keyes 2

However, both Thompson and Giuliani have theoretically thrown their support to McCain and I imagine some of their delegates will follow suit – which might allow McCain to overcome his perennial organizational deficit. But I wouldn’t count on it. Romney is actually going to address the convention from what I hear.

February 5th, 2008 at 7:05 am
bbartlog
 11Reply to this comment  

West Virginia:
McCain’s rep just gave a pretty bad speech at the convention. Huckabee is going to have the last word. Paul gave a decent speech, Romney likewise. Between sending a rep (when the other candidates showed up in person), coming in with basically no committed delegates, and having his guy flub his sales pitch I’d say McCain is toast here. But because the election is a runoff until majority strange things could still happen. The worry would be that McCain somehow outlasts Huckabee and then picks up his delegates in the final runoff. But I think it’s actually more likely that the final two will be Huckabee and Romney, at which point anyone who is strategically committed to McCain will go to Huckabee just to deny Romney victory.

February 5th, 2008 at 8:23 am
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bbartlog: Where are you getting those delegate numbers?

It seems every source I look at reports different numbers for delegates. It’s very confusing trying to run a delegate count that can be matched to any strategy for moving forward.

February 5th, 2008 at 9:18 am
suek
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>>But I think it’s actually more likely that the final two will be Huckabee and Romney, at which point anyone who is strategically committed to McCain will go to Huckabee just to deny Romney victory.>>

_That’s_ interesting. I sure don’t see it that way. I don’t think it’s likely that it will be Huckabee and Romney, and I don’t see that everyone committed to McCain will go to Huckabee. If you said that it would be McCain and Romney, and that anyone committed to Huckabee would go to McCain, I’d agree. I suspect Huckabee could be the kingmaker in the crowd…he’d never go to Romney because of the religious thing – and his followers might agree with him. I don’t see McCain as being in that mindset – I think they’d consider Romney.

But then …what do I know! Life surprises me every day!

February 5th, 2008 at 9:57 am
Igor R.
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Mike, I’m in the 60-70% category.

February 5th, 2008 at 10:51 am
David
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The last poll in Colorado was done awhile ago, may be six weeks. Anyway, Rudy and Mitt were running even, with a slight advantage to Mitt, and McCain running a very distant third. When Rudy dropped out last week, there was a feeling most of his support went to Mitt. Simply, there’s a strong dislike for McCain here, particularly in the sizeable active and retired military community.

The one who has invested big in advertising is Ron Paul. Of course, his ads are nonsense, especially his tag line of that “tent cities” have sprung next to neighborhoods that are full of foreclosures. The implicit line is that “it’s the President’s fault” on the foreclosures. “Yeah, Bush pressed the foreclosure button on his desk, just like he pressed the Hurricane Katrina button.”

I would be surprised if McCain wins here in Colorado.

February 5th, 2008 at 11:30 am
bbartlog
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I don’t think it’s likely that it will be Huckabee and Romney, and I don’t see that everyone committed to McCain will go to Huckabee.

Well, you haven’t been following this one as closely as I have. And it did come down to Mitt and Huck, and McCain did throw his votes to Huckabee.

February 5th, 2008 at 11:30 am
Chris
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“He has precisely the same resume as the nuckle-head in office now except he did not fail at all of his businesses as W did.” by CentFla.

I know this is a bit off topic, but how is President Bush a “nuckle-head”?? And, his businesses? I think you might need to use your spell check next time, by the way. It’s “knucklehead”.

February 5th, 2008 at 12:30 pm
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Once again I find myself agreeing with bbartlog! Has the world gone MAD?

With the West Virginia result it’s clear there is collusion between McCain and Huckabee. Those kinds of actions are NOT taken without direction from on high.

P.S. bbartlog: Where did you get those delegate numbers?

February 5th, 2008 at 12:35 pm
bbartlog
 19Reply to this comment  

Second-hand, from here. They don’t appear to be very good in hindsight – they show 1207 delegates and only 1133 voted in the first round, so who knows. But they’re roughly consistent with other reports I’ve seen.

For what it’s worth, it sounds like Paul *also* helped out Huckabee. At least, I see a report that he traded his block of voters for 3 national delegates (see here, read the blog entries…).

February 5th, 2008 at 1:25 pm
bbartlog
 20Reply to this comment  

Once again I find myself agreeing with bbartlog!

It’s easy when I’m just doing the play-by-play. Wait ’til I actually offer an opinion, you’ll have plenty to disagree with me about :-)

February 5th, 2008 at 1:27 pm
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bbartlog: Those delegate numbers of yours were so wild I had to wonder. Not surprised they come from the mothership.

There’s disparity even between these two sources:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/republican_delegate_count.html

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/republican_delegate_count.html

February 5th, 2008 at 1:32 pm
bbartlog
 22Reply to this comment  

The links you give are for delegates to the national convention (projected). The figures I show are just for delegates to the WVa state GOP convention.

February 5th, 2008 at 2:01 pm
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Ok… I missed that. It wasn’t terribly clear in your original remark.

February 5th, 2008 at 2:18 pm

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