Comments on: The Berkeley Traitors http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/02/01/the-berkeley-traitors/ Thu, 08 Jan 2009 20:09:21 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.7 hourly 1 By: Marvin http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/02/01/the-berkeley-traitors/comment-page-1/#comment-14352 Marvin Sun, 03 Feb 2008 00:57:25 +0000 http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/02/01/the-berkeley-traitors/#comment-14352 Pro-troops groups should request equal time and consideration from the Berkley City Council, and when they are refused, these groups should sue the city in Federal Court since they did not receive equal treatment. MoveAmericaForward can file one suit The American Legion can file another The Patriot Guard riders can file another etc and so forth. Pro-troops groups should request equal time and consideration from the Berkley City Council, and when they are refused, these groups should sue the city in Federal Court since they did not receive equal treatment.
MoveAmericaForward can file one suit
The American Legion can file another
The Patriot Guard riders can file another
etc and so forth.

]]> By: A NEWT ONE http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/02/01/the-berkeley-traitors/comment-page-1/#comment-14342 A NEWT ONE Sat, 02 Feb 2008 22:57:54 +0000 http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/02/01/the-berkeley-traitors/#comment-14342 <strong>Call To Action: Barage SFGate [UPDATED]...</strong> SFGate (Sf Chronicle) has a piece out today in support of the fools that broke the law via trespassing on the Marine Corp Recruiting office thereby disrupting operations of a legally recognized facility.... Call To Action: Barage SFGate [UPDATED]…

SFGate (Sf Chronicle) has a piece out today in support of the fools that broke the law via trespassing on the Marine Corp Recruiting office thereby disrupting operations of a legally recognized facility….

]]> By: Flopping Aces » Blog Archive » » Pressure Is On The Berkeley Traitors http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/02/01/the-berkeley-traitors/comment-page-1/#comment-14306 Flopping Aces » Blog Archive » » Pressure Is On The Berkeley Traitors Sat, 02 Feb 2008 17:57:48 +0000 http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/02/01/the-berkeley-traitors/#comment-14306 [...] pressure is getting to them folks. Lets keep it up: Mayor Tom Bates offered Friday to help the U.S. Marines leave town by negotiating an end to the [...] [...] pressure is getting to them folks. Lets keep it up: Mayor Tom Bates offered Friday to help the U.S. Marines leave town by negotiating an end to the [...]

]]> By: William Teach http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/02/01/the-berkeley-traitors/comment-page-1/#comment-14303 William Teach Sat, 02 Feb 2008 17:46:40 +0000 http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/02/01/the-berkeley-traitors/#comment-14303 I heard that they scuffled with police. Let's see, peace groups becoming violent. I love irony! I heard that they scuffled with police. Let’s see, peace groups becoming violent. I love irony!

]]> By: MikeW http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/02/01/the-berkeley-traitors/comment-page-1/#comment-14298 MikeW Sat, 02 Feb 2008 17:16:31 +0000 http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/02/01/the-berkeley-traitors/#comment-14298 Such cognitive dissonance on their part. For one thing, they believe that their city statute can trump federal law (no, not military policy -federal law) concerning DADT. Even more telling about their lack of understanding of the Constitution (don't we all understand that it is specifically enumerated as the supreme law of the land?) is that Congress/federal government has the only authority to make laws compelling actions of the military sevices. Certainly, Berkley city statutes cannot assume precedence, because those powers/authorities were never theirs to begin with. Further, it seems that these elected officials don't seem to understand the logic flow they are espousing: they denigrate the military and its being "evil" for its "non-inclusive and discriminating policy" about allowing gays to serve (again, notwithstanding the issue of it being federal law), yet at the same time they want to theoretically prosecute the military for the same - the end result of which would just as theoretically be an inclusive policy to allow gays to serve in this "evil" organization. I suppose that just enhances that issue of cognitive dissonance. For another thing, the city has opened itself up to liability lawsuits now that it the mayor and city council have openly registered support for the actions we have seen by the Code Pink actions - with the specific support of city council. Any one of those who attempted to enter the recruiting station who may have received injury should now have the legitimate opportunity to sue the city for injuries received, including any loss of income from current employment as a result of such injuries. Third, Title 18, US Code, Part I, Chapter 115, Section 2388a and b states the following (direct citation): (a) Whoever, when the United States is at war, willfully makes or conveys false reports or false statements with intent to interfere with the operation or success of the military or naval forces of the United States or to promote the success of its enemies; or Whoever, when the United States is at war, willfully causes or attempts to cause insubordination, disloyalty, mutiny, or refusal of duty, in the military or naval forces of the United States, or willfully obstructs the recruiting or enlistment service of the United States, to the injury of the service or the United States, or attempts to do so— Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both. (b) If two or more persons conspire to violate subsection (a) of this section and one or more such persons do any act to effect the object of the conspiracy, each of the parties to such conspiracy shall be punished as provided in said subsection (a). This action by Code Pink and the Berkley City elected officials smacks of a violation under this law. What do you think? Such cognitive dissonance on their part. For one thing, they believe that their city statute can trump federal law (no, not military policy -federal law) concerning DADT. Even more telling about their lack of understanding of the Constitution (don’t we all understand that it is specifically enumerated as the supreme law of the land?) is that Congress/federal government has the only authority to make laws compelling actions of the military sevices. Certainly, Berkley city statutes cannot assume precedence, because those powers/authorities were never theirs to begin with. Further, it seems that these elected officials don’t seem to understand the logic flow they are espousing: they denigrate the military and its being “evil” for its “non-inclusive and discriminating policy” about allowing gays to serve (again, notwithstanding the issue of it being federal law), yet at the same time they want to theoretically prosecute the military for the same - the end result of which would just as theoretically be an inclusive policy to allow gays to serve in this “evil” organization. I suppose that just enhances that issue of cognitive dissonance.

For another thing, the city has opened itself up to liability lawsuits now that it the mayor and city council have openly registered support for the actions we have seen by the Code Pink actions - with the specific support of city council. Any one of those who attempted to enter the recruiting station who may have received injury should now have the legitimate opportunity to sue the city for injuries received, including any loss of income from current employment as a result of such injuries.

Third, Title 18, US Code, Part I, Chapter 115, Section 2388a and b states the following (direct citation):

(a) Whoever, when the United States is at war, willfully makes or conveys false reports or false statements with intent to interfere with the operation or success of the military or naval forces of the United States or to promote the success of its enemies; or
Whoever, when the United States is at war, willfully causes or attempts to cause insubordination, disloyalty, mutiny, or refusal of duty, in the military or naval forces of the United States, or willfully obstructs the recruiting or enlistment service of the United States, to the injury of the service or the United States, or attempts to do so—
Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both.
(b) If two or more persons conspire to violate subsection (a) of this section and one or more such persons do any act to effect the object of the conspiracy, each of the parties to such conspiracy shall be punished as provided in said subsection (a).

This action by Code Pink and the Berkley City elected officials smacks of a violation under this law.

What do you think?

]]> By: Scrapiron http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/02/01/the-berkeley-traitors/comment-page-1/#comment-14280 Scrapiron Sat, 02 Feb 2008 14:36:46 +0000 http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/02/01/the-berkeley-traitors/#comment-14280 We need every phone number and email for the Berkley city government (sic) out on the blogs, especially any 800 numbers. Call the city (idiot) councel, home phones for the idiot councel members, the police (not 911), the fire depart, the tax office, the election office, the garbage collectors, everyone that has to do with the city. See a piece of trash in the street, call it in as a traffic hazard. Tie them up so bad they can't do anything, not that a Berkley city employee does anything anyway. We need every phone number and email for the Berkley city government (sic) out on the blogs, especially any 800 numbers. Call the city (idiot) councel, home phones for the idiot councel members, the police (not 911), the fire depart, the tax office, the election office, the garbage collectors, everyone that has to do with the city. See a piece of trash in the street, call it in as a traffic hazard. Tie them up so bad they can’t do anything, not that a Berkley city employee does anything anyway.

]]> By: Rovin http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/02/01/the-berkeley-traitors/comment-page-1/#comment-14274 Rovin Sat, 02 Feb 2008 13:17:07 +0000 http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/02/01/the-berkeley-traitors/#comment-14274 <blockquote>Sen. DeMint began to draft some legislation that will cut over 2 million dollars in earmarks to this city which I hope beyond hope he will be successful in enacting. The city of Berkeley has the right to act like jackasses. But in so doing they have NO right to our taxpayer dollars to fund their morally corrupt city.</blockquote> I'm also hearing that they (others in the senate) are attempting to have the 2 million allocated directly to the Marine Corp. recruiting office (in Berkeley). "Smoke 'em while ya got em" Semper Fi !

Sen. DeMint began to draft some legislation that will cut over 2 million dollars in earmarks to this city which I hope beyond hope he will be successful in enacting. The city of Berkeley has the right to act like jackasses. But in so doing they have NO right to our taxpayer dollars to fund their morally corrupt city.

I’m also hearing that they (others in the senate) are attempting to have the 2 million allocated directly to the Marine Corp. recruiting office (in Berkeley). “Smoke ‘em while ya got em”

Semper Fi !

]]> By: cargosquid http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/02/01/the-berkeley-traitors/comment-page-1/#comment-14237 cargosquid Sat, 02 Feb 2008 08:40:37 +0000 http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/02/01/the-berkeley-traitors/#comment-14237 Have every recruit within 100 miles sign up at THAT station. That line should fill the sidewalk. I'm sure some of those private citizens will get code pinko to move. Have every recruit within 100 miles sign up at THAT station. That line should fill the sidewalk. I’m sure some of those private citizens will get code pinko to move.

]]> By: Cop The Truth http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/02/01/the-berkeley-traitors/comment-page-1/#comment-14236 Cop The Truth Sat, 02 Feb 2008 07:46:48 +0000 http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/02/01/the-berkeley-traitors/#comment-14236 <strong>Stop the Traitors in Berkeley...</strong> The war continues against the Liberal anti-American nuts in Liberal strongholds like Berkeley and San Francisco. The Berkeley City Council recently voted to call the U.S. Marines and their local recruiting station uninvited and unwelcome guests. The Ci... Stop the Traitors in Berkeley…

The war continues against the Liberal anti-American nuts in Liberal strongholds like Berkeley and San Francisco. The Berkeley City Council recently voted to call the U.S. Marines and their local recruiting station uninvited and unwelcome guests. The Ci…

]]> By: crosspatch http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/02/01/the-berkeley-traitors/comment-page-1/#comment-14213 crosspatch Sat, 02 Feb 2008 05:31:41 +0000 http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/02/01/the-berkeley-traitors/#comment-14213 Well, the entire bay area isn't that bad. There are plenty of "W" stickers still on SUVs in Silicon Valley. Berkeley, though, has pretty much become a pit of moronic rich white people who grew up on Daddy's trust fund and follow whatever happens to be the kewl trendy trend. Well, the entire bay area isn’t that bad. There are plenty of “W” stickers still on SUVs in Silicon Valley. Berkeley, though, has pretty much become a pit of moronic rich white people who grew up on Daddy’s trust fund and follow whatever happens to be the kewl trendy trend.

]]> By: jainphx http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/02/01/the-berkeley-traitors/comment-page-1/#comment-14210 jainphx Sat, 02 Feb 2008 05:23:17 +0000 http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/02/01/the-berkeley-traitors/#comment-14210 Heres the problem, 7.5 hours later they were arrested, 7.5 hours. I guess the only ones with rights in this country are the demonstrators. Every think is turning upside down, when is the next Reagan to come along. Heres the problem, 7.5 hours later they were arrested, 7.5 hours. I guess the only ones with rights in this country are the demonstrators. Every think is turning upside down, when is the next Reagan to come along.

]]> By: Sara http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/02/01/the-berkeley-traitors/comment-page-1/#comment-14208 Sara Sat, 02 Feb 2008 05:07:42 +0000 http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/02/01/the-berkeley-traitors/#comment-14208 Somewhere around 1967, my Mother stopped admitting she was a Berkeley grad and had grown up in the area as well. My Uncle said he also started only talking about his graduate education at CalTech and never mentioned he had a degree from Berkeley. Somewhere around 1967, my Mother stopped admitting she was a Berkeley grad and had grown up in the area as well. My Uncle said he also started only talking about his graduate education at CalTech and never mentioned he had a degree from Berkeley.

]]> By: John Ryan http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/02/01/the-berkeley-traitors/comment-page-1/#comment-14206 John Ryan Sat, 02 Feb 2008 04:51:34 +0000 http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/02/01/the-berkeley-traitors/#comment-14206 Move to a different state, perhaps when of the few battleground/swing states where your Presdidential vote might actually have an impact. Move to a different state, perhaps when of the few battleground/swing states where your Presdidential vote might actually have an impact.

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