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Do you not know that Steve is a “military genius” in addition to an elite progressive? I swear, he could write for The People’s Cube. He is that blindly dedicated to the left.

Even me with 14 years and counting of active service must not know anything compared to Steve and his progressive, all knowing sources.

“Hersh’s reporting has been the best of the war. Far ahead of the cheerleaders at FoxNews and the stenographers at the New York Times.”

-So, you’re saying we should believe an opponent of the war reporting from the US 6yrs ago using anonymous sources rather than books from 2006 written by the actual people who were there in Afghanistan?

“And, by “more informed”, you mean “Party Approved”, don’t you?”

-Please show me where I have once cited Fox…just once. So far, you’ve done nothing but provide biased sources, sources that aren’t news sources, sources that don’t even carry the stories you describe because they’re so outdated, and sources that you apparently don’t even read yourself because they contradict your own positions.

“More documentation about the diversion of assets from the Hunt for bin Laden that Conservaties re not permitted to know.”

-Actually Steve, I mentioned this one particular group to you directly in a previous conversation (which you must have ignored?), and by having done so completely destroy your vain attempt at suggesting I or anyone here knows less than you or knows only politically approved facts.

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““the diversion of efforts from capturing Osama bin Laden,”
-Classic deception and distraction. This article has nothing to do with the hunt for Osama Bin Laden, and the only military unit “diverted” for the invasion of Iraq was the 5th Special Forces Group which ironically was sent to Northern Iraq to fight Al Queda in Iraq which was working as Saddam’s strong arm in the Kurdish territories”
-post#8; 23 Jan 2008

Oh, and btw, the 5th SFG wasn’t rotated out until the end of March 2002, over 100days after UBL escaped into Pakistan, but they were replaced by different forces which were suited for the new mission scope (see also battle of the whale’s ridge). ALSO, the 5th SFG was not/is not a conventional unit-the kind one uses for an invasion. Quite the opposite. The unique aspect of the 5th is that it was the most experienced military unit in the world when it came to regime change through the use of indigenous forces RATHER than invasion. These are the guys who went into Afghanistan in small groups, called in air strikes, and worked with the Northern Alliance so that the Afghans could retake their country with just US support rather than a US invasion (it was called the Downing Plan in terms of Iraq). The very nature of the unit you list debunks your own claim.

Hersh’s reporting has been the best of the war. Far ahead of the cheerleaders at FoxNews and the stenographers at the New York Times.

Because we cite only news from FOX and NYT. We don’t read Michael Yon, Bill Roggio, Michael Totten, nor a variety of other sources. We’ve never linked to sources in our post, other than from FOX and the NYTs to support our positions. You got us good, Steve.

Hersh has the best reporting in the eyes of the moonbat left. Since you get to cite Seymour Lies, how about I cite Jed Babbin’s account on the Legend of Tora Bora?

Most of the al Qaeda leadership got away,

I was told by FOXNews, NYT (WTF?), Rush, Coulter, and the Right Wing Talking Points Memo that 2/3rds of the al Qaeda leadership at that time, had been killed or captured.

But not one single Conservative is allowed to hold George W. Bush accoutable for those results, because president Bush must be protected from accountability, at all costs.

Steve…tell me, truthfully: Each time you type that out at the end of every comment, you click your heels 3 times, don’t you? It’s ok to admit. We’re all friends here.

I see you’re hangin’ around this thread an awful lot but totally ignoring the difficult, specific questions that were posed to you on this thread:

http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/01/30/mukasey-to-dems-waterboarding-not-clearly-illegal/#comments

It will probably be more than a bit embarrassing (even for you) for all of us to see additional proof (again) that you are talking out of your ass but facing your problem is the first step toward getting help.

Hersh’s reporting has been the best of the war. Far ahead of the cheerleaders at FoxNews and the stenographers at the New York Times.

And, by “more informed”, you mean “Party Approved”, don’t you?

More documentation about the diversion of assets from the Hunt for bin Laden that Conservaties re not permitted to know.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2004-03-28-troop-shifts_x.htm

WASHINGTON — In 2002, troops from the 5th Special Forces Group who specialize in the Middle East were pulled out of the hunt for Osama bin Laden in Afghanistan to prepare for their next assignment: Iraq. Their replacements were troops with expertise in Spanish cultures.

The only fanatic hater here is YOU. My vote is that you are wearing out your welcome with your lies, fanatical hate, spam posting, and arrogant ignorance. If any of use posted like you do at a leftist blog, we would last about 2 posts before being banned.

And having been to Iraq, I will gladly keep refuting your lies and hate.

Really, so you’re saying that the Bush Admin diverted assets from Afghanistan to build up and invade Iraq in December 2001? Before Sept 2002? Simply didn’t happen, and either you’re a liar or you’re an incompetent fool (trending towards the latter given your continued repetition of debunked talking points)

FYI, your New Yorker talking point is so old even they don’t post the article anymore, and Hersh’s article (based on hearsay and anonymous sources per a heavily biased source, Hersh) is wrong. Kunduz fell on 11/26/01, and his own article says that the flights took off with US help 3wks before 12/13/01. US forces-even special forces and specifically CIA units per Gary Bernsten who led the US CIA ops at the time-weren’t there until December. I submit that Hersh was misled specifically because there’s no way that he was in contact with Delta Force guys in NYC or DC two months after those same guys were in Afghanistan. Bersten’s book, JAWBREAKER, as well as three corroborating books confirm that such CIA assets were still in Afghanistan until they started being rotated out and replaced by fresh CIA units and US Special Operations command in Feb/Mar 2002….which is of course AFTER Hersh wrote his fiction. Ya know, using 6yr old talking points is pretty easy to debunk. Try finding something newer, fresher, and more up to date; more informed.

http://www.cndyorks.gn.apc.org/news/articles/secretairlift.htm

http://www.newyorker.com/FACT/?020128fa_FACT

In Afghanistan last November, the Northern Alliance, supported by American Special Forces troops and emboldened by the highly accurate American bombing, forced thousands of Taliban and Al Qaeda fighters to retreat inside the northern hill town of Kunduz. Trapped with them were Pakistani Army officers, intelligence advisers, and volunteers who were fighting alongside the Taliban. (Pakistan had been the Taliban’s staunchest military and economic supporter in its long-running war against the Northern Alliance.) Many of the fighters had fled earlier defeats at Mazar-i-Sharif, to the west; Taloqan, to the east; and Pul-i-Khumri, to the south. The road to Kabul, a potential point of retreat, was blocked and was targeted by American bombers. Kunduz offered safety from the bombs and a chance to negotiate painless surrender terms, as Afghan tribes often do.
Surrender negotiations began immediately, but the Bush Administration heatedly—and successfully—opposed them. On November 25th, the Northern Alliance took Kunduz, capturing some four thousand of the Taliban and Al Qaeda fighters. The next day, President Bush said, “We’re smoking them out. They’re running, and now we’re going to bring them to justice.”
Even before the siege ended, however, a puzzling series of reports appeared in the Times and in other publications, quoting Northern Alliance officials who claimed that Pakistani airplanes had flown into Kunduz to evacuate the Pakistanis there. American and Pakistani officials refused to confirm the reports. On November 16th, when journalists asked Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld about the reports of rescue aircraft, he was dismissive. “Well, if we see them, we shoot them down,” he said. Five days later, Rumsfeld declared, “Any idea that those people should be let loose on any basis at all to leave that country and to go bring terror to other countries and destabilize other countries is unacceptable.” At a Pentagon news conference on Monday, November 26th, the day after Kunduz fell, General Richard B. Myers, of the Air Force, who is the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, was asked about the reports. The General did not directly answer the question but stated, “The runway there is not usable. I mean, there are segments of it that are usable. They’re too short for your standard transport aircraft. So we’re not sure where the reports are coming from.”
Pakistani officials also debunked the rescue reports, and continued to insist, as they had throughout the Afghanistan war, that no Pakistani military personnel were in the country. Anwar Mehmood, the government spokesman, told newsmen at the time that reports of a Pakistani airlift were “total rubbish. Hogwash.”
In interviews, however, American intelligence officials and high-ranking military officers said that Pakistanis were indeed flown to safety, in a series of nighttime airlifts that were approved by the Bush Administration. The Americans also said that what was supposed to be a limited evacuation apparently slipped out of control, and, as an unintended consequence, an unknown number of Taliban and Al Qaeda fighters managed to join in the exodus. “Dirt got through the screen,” a senior intelligence official told me. Last week, Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld did not respond to a request for comment.

Actually the fact is that many al Qaeda were allowed to get away in the “Pakistani Airlift”, an operation at the end of 2001 that the Bush Administration supported so that the govenment of Paksitan wold not be embarrased by the fact that a good percentage of al Qaeda were Pakistani (second only to Saudi’s, virtually no Iraqis).

Unfortunately, as we all have come to know, the Bush Administration’s management of the Pakistani Airlift was less than competent and thousands left who were not Pakistani, in fact we had no idea who they were.

As a result, while thousands did die, many thousands more got away, including most of the al Qaeda leadership. But that is just fine with Conservatives since the Bush Administration policy of “low expectations” means that one expects massive bungling from George W. Bush and if even a tiny fraction of an effort actually goes right, Conservatives shout to the rooftops about what a great leader George W. Bush is.

Most of the al Qaeda leadership got away, and we all know that, had President Bush pursued al Qaeda, instead of diverting assets to hisplanned invasion of iraq, we likely would not be facing an al Qaeda that is as strong now as it was prior to the September 11 attacks, and the Taliban would not control massive portions of Aghanistan and Pakistan.

But not one single Conservative is allowed to hold George W. Bush accoutable for those results, because president Bush must be protected from accountability, at all costs.

what we learned during the inspection made Iraq a more dangerous place, potentially, than, in fact, we thought it was even before the war.””

and that sanctions were not working.

“By 2000-2001, Saddam had managed to mitigate many of the effects of sanctions and undermine their international support.”

“President Bush let them get away at Tora Bora in order to pursue his invasion of Iraq,”
Bin Laden escaped Tora Bora in mid-late 12/01, and the military buildup for Iraq began in 9/02 (nine months later). Further, the invasion of Iraq that you point to as your idea of how or why UBL escaped didn’t happen until 3/03.

Hmmm, let’s do the math:
UBL escapes then FIFTEEN MONTHS later Iraq is invaded? Methinks Steve must have 2001 and 2002 mixed up

Check a calender Steve. Those are facts, even if moonbat nutjobs must pretend otherwise in order to attack their nemesis, George W. Bush.

The only group that has actually attacked the mainland of the United States has been al Qaeda, led by Osama bin Laden.

And yet you malign President Bush and criticize the tools he’s put into action that protect us from further terror plots upon our soil. How brilliant of you!

President Bush let them get away

From what I recall, hundreds of al-Qaeda fighters lost their lives; not a single U.S. soldier lost his during Tora Bora. If any got away, it wasn’t President Bush “letting them get away”. You do realize that the enemy isn’t just going to lay down and play dead for us, right?

at Tora Bora

Lt. Gen. Michael DeLong, deputy commander of CENTCOM during the Afghanistan war, disagrees with you Philly Steve, as does General Franks. They live in reality. You are bogged down in la-la land.

in order to pursue his invasion of Iraq, which posed no imminent threat to the US.

President Bush never said Iraq posed an “imminent threat”, bucko. But Iraq was a cancer upon the world metasticizing for the worse. Treatment is better applied sooner than later. I’d say 12 years of the original cease fire agreements violated along with 17 UN Resolutions later was long enough of a wait.

Those are facts, even if Conservatives must pretend otherwise in order toprotect their hero, George W. Bush.

Your facts are known as “flights of fancy and fantasy” in the real world. That’s a fact you keep ignoring.

We’re really trying to help you out, Steve. Really, we are. And to think we aren’t even charging you a fee!!!

you sure don’t disappoint Steve….