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Aye Chihuahua
16 years ago
I truly believe that the greatest revenge of all will be when Fred! reemerges and says once and for all that he is not quitting.
The MSM, the pundits, the talking heads, the bloggers, and his fellow candidates will have a heaping helping of crow to eat when that happens.
Reading through some of the Fred! oriented blogs and websites the enthusiasm continues to be strong.
His website continues to collect money.
The fight is not over. Not yet.
For those who are eager to write to obits and the eulogies be careful. Crow is not very tasty.
John Ryan
16 years ago
For all the true Fred! believers his posted odds are about 500-1 http://www.intrade.com/#
It is interesting to note that the man Fred! helped is also perceived by many to be among the most liberal of all the candidates running for the nomination. Anti-torture, amnesty, global warming etc
Bill C
16 years ago
“It is interesting to note that the man Fred! helped is also perceived by many to be among the most liberal of all the candidates running for the nomination. Anti-torture, amnesty, global warming etc”
I can’t understand how a sentient being could come to such a baseless conclusion. I find more and more these days, that I believe that the general population of this country do not deserve the many patriots that defend our country.
Nice analysis, Mike, but I really wish the blogs and the mass media would stop with the identity politics and ideology politics and get to ‘issue politics’. I don’t care how self-described churchgoers or conservatives or independents voted. I am more interested in seeing how people voted on the issues. Because then we can all get to work on educating these voters on the issues.
For example, let’s say that 40% of people who wanted a tough policy on illegal immigration voted for John McCain. To me, that makes no sense and I would question whether or not those voters know all about John McCain’s stance on illegal immigration. I would take from that, that they do not and then would know that voters do not seem to know about the illegal immigration issue and would work to get that info out.
Another example would be say 40% of voters whose first priority is the economy voted for Mike Huckabee. This also makes no sense to me, from what I know of Mike Huckabee’s big government, high taxing stance. So I would take that info and then work to get out the facts about Mike Huckabee’s economic policies.
The only thing I get out of “evangelicals voted this way” or “conservatives voted that way” is a way for us to all say “man, evengelicals are idiots for voting for X”. And someone who identifies as a “conservative” tells me nothing. On what issues are they conservative? Fiscal? Social? Foreign Policy? Are they “neo-cons” or Ron Paul foreign policy conservatives?
See what I mean, Mike?
I don’t necessarily blame the blogs as much, since I figure that you are just working with the data you have from the mass media.
BUT, even so, you are still pushing that mantra, which, I believe, is intended to divide people, instead of focus on the issues. I see this happening on a lot of political blogs or blogs which are just covering this Primary campaign. Instead of talking about issues, people are ripping into States, groups of people and religions based on these “exit polls” focusing not on issues, but on identity politics.
I believe this is hurting us and splitting the Party apart. And I believe that is exactly the intention of the mass media in focusing on identity politics instead of issues.
What do you think we have been doing on our blogs for the past few months? We have exposed Huckabee’s socialist economics, his defeatist foreign policy and his pro-immigration stances.
Same for McCain. Did you not read the post I had over my personal enounter with McCain over the issues of 1. gang of 14, 2. Immigration 3. “Torture”?
If you look about two thirds down the exit polls I linked in my post:
You’ll see what how voters ranked a series of issues and how it affected their vote.
You’ll also see :
Which was more important in your vote for president today?My candidate’s positions on the issues or My candidate’s leadership / personal qualities.
51% of voters picked “candidate’s position” with 34% of Huckabee’s voters agreeing that was more important and 24% of McCain’s.
46% said “candidate’s leadership / personal qualities” were more important with Huckabee voters agreeing 27% and McCain’s 44%.
Clearly, not all McCain voters care whether McCain’s position on immigration agreed with theirs.
I witnessed a couple at the McCain rally who were dead set against Amnesty and told that to a McCain staffer. From the looks of the results in my county, I’d bet they voted for McCheese despite that.
As for Huckabee and immigration, he outscored McCain among those who said that was a key issue by33% to 24% even though the Huckster’s record is as weak as McCain’s.
Here again, I posted on the misleading immigration mailings that were coming into SC and did what I could to alert people to the truth.
We also had groups like Numbers USA who are VERY anti-Amnesty, and anti-McCain but who rolled over for Mike Huckabee because he signed a worthless pledge saying he would never allow amnesty!
Of course I would agree with you that the lamestream media is not doing it’s job to inform voters. But I can’t take responsiblity for them.
Melissa: Wish you had shared with us the information you received with that call.
I don’t see ANY info posted on Fred’s site after January 18th. And of course the candidate himself has not yet spoken, but word is that he has pulled out of FLorida debate on Thursday.
I haven’t heard anything about him not participating in the FL debates. Take that back FAUX news just said he’s skipping the debate, take it with a grain of salt. However he is in TN right now and hasn’t left his mother’s bedside. She is in the hospital with pneumonia at age 90+ which may be the reason he has gone quiet. Where would you be in this situation?
The phone call is summed up as this, his mother is very ill. He is at her side. Send well wishes for her recovery to the Nashville Campaign Headquarters.
Send all other inquiries and support emails for Fred to LLEVY@fred08.com and she will hand them to him in the morning.
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The donations widgets are all operational. The red truck donation widget is operational and can be easily accessed on my blog since it has gone incognito on his blog.
I personally think he should skip FL, let the others run themselves out of money by fighting in the uber expensive Fl media and turn his attention to the super Tuesday states instead. He’s already here in TN a super Tuesday state. Why not campaign from his own front porch?
Fun trivia and answer: Guess where his famous red pick up is parked? (his mother’s driveway)
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I see updates on his site on the 19th titled Thank You South Carolina and yesterday, the 21st, Video of Fred’s Speech in South Carolina.
At any rate, I’ll wait for official word from Fred, Bill Lacey, or Sean Hackbarth before I start fearing the worst.
You’ll see what how voters ranked a series of issues and how it affected their vote.
That’s great, Mike. So why wasn’t that the topic of your post instead of the highlights about how conservatives, those who attend church and liberals/independents voted?
I’m not trying to be a little b*tch here. But I see this post-primary voting analysis happen on pretty much every blog. Instead of highlighting WHY people voted, the analysis is of WHO voted. I don’t care who voted and neither should anyone else. What matters is the issues.
Again, I’m just tired of seeing post-primary analysis focus on identity politics instead of issue politics.
By the way, “Candidate’s position vs candidate’s leadership/personality” tells me jack squat too.
As I said, how about 35% of those whose #1 issue was immigration went to Huckabee. 40% of those whose #1 issue was taxes went to Romney. etc etc
That is what matters to me. All that other stuff is meaningless nonsense, as far as I am concerned. Especially since I cannot do anything about it. I CAN do something about finding out that people who want illegal immigration stopped are voting for John McCain. That tells me they are not aware of his record. So I can talk to them about that.
What am I supposed to say to someone who says “ooh, I’m voting for him because of his personality!” What is this, American Idol?
Issues, issues issues. I want to see post-primary analysis on how people voted on the issues. Don’t you think that is most relevant? Shouldn’t that be most relevant?
“That’s great, Mike. So why wasn’t that the topic of your post instead of the highlights”
Beeeeccccaaauuusssseeee Michael, that wasn’t the point I wanted to make.
Don’t make me repeat again how often I have gone toe to toe IN PERSON TO MANY OF THESE CANDIDATES on the issues that are important.
And frankly, I think it is a VERY important story that more than one third of self identified conservatives rejected the ISSUES put forward by Huckabee and McCain.
I tend to agree with Melissa, but only because of the condition of Fred Thompson’s mother. Were she not ill, I would have wanted to see him campaign in FL and then work on any of the Super Tuesday states after that. I don’t see any reason for Fred Thompson to drop out until after Super Tuesday, if it comes to that. There is no clear cut leader right now.
The mass media is propping up McCain and Huckabee and are trashing Rudy, Romney and Fred. And they are ignoring Ron Paul. (probably a good thing). But I see no reason for any candidate to drop out until after Super Tuesday. Those people deserve some choices.
And I wouldn’t take the word of FAUX news for anything anymore. They are quite the joke. They have been trying to push Fred Thompson out of this race for quite a while now. That said, the only reason I can see for Fred Thompson to skip the debate is to be at his mother’s side. I don’t see it as a prelude to dropping out of the race.
But, we’ll see what he has to say tomorrow. He may just be setting everyone up again with the mass media expecting a speech about dropping out and he uses them to give another stump speech. heh
“And frankly, I think it is a VERY important story that more than one third of self identified conservatives rejected the ISSUES put forward by Huckabee and McCain.”
My point is when I see “conservative”, I have no clue what that means. Fiscal? Social? Neo-cons? Isolationists? Ron Paul conservatives? What does that tell me? Nothing.
Now, if they said “social conservatives voted…” or “fiscal conservatives voted…”, then that would tell me something.
There are many people who call themselves conservative who are supporting Mike Huckabee or John McCain, even though they are both pretty much liberals. So when I see that, I wonder, what makes them call themselves a conservative and see John McCain or Mike Huckabee as a conservative? But, I don’t get that answer, I get “conservatives voted…” Brilliant.
“…more than one third of self identified conservatives rejected the ISSUES put forward by Huckabee and McCain.”
I guess this is where we differ, Mike. I read this and think to myself “WOW, 61% of conservatives are supporting the two biggest liberals in the GOP race? What the hell is going on here?”
But again, my next question is what kind of ‘conservatives’ are they? And what are their main issues. If social conservatives, why are they supporting McCain when he has not been fully pro-life, when he went against the Wisconsin Right to Life? If they are supporting Huckabee, don’t they know about his taking money from embryonic stem cell groups? If they are fiscal and are supporting them, don’t they know about McCain’s support of global warming which will have a HUGE affect on the economy. Or if Huckabee, don’t they know he is a big government tax raiser?
These are things I cannot address if all I get is “conservatives voted…”
Geez, Mike you don’t have to be such an a**hole, you know? I came here asking I thought some relevant questions and all I get is shit from you. Get over yourself.
Nice way of treating your readers and fellow republican voters.
Actually, the way Fox has been reporting on the election I would have to agree. It’s almost surreal, Fox has been denigrated Fred every day while CNN actually seems to be giving him kudos…..
Nope, I don’t watch Clinton News Network except on primary/debate nights as they have the best coverage. I watch all over the web, and have learned to take anything and everything with a grain of salt. Believe none of what you hear and maybe half of what you see.
I truly believe that the greatest revenge of all will be when Fred! reemerges and says once and for all that he is not quitting.
The MSM, the pundits, the talking heads, the bloggers, and his fellow candidates will have a heaping helping of crow to eat when that happens.
Reading through some of the Fred! oriented blogs and websites the enthusiasm continues to be strong.
His website continues to collect money.
The fight is not over. Not yet.
For those who are eager to write to obits and the eulogies be careful. Crow is not very tasty.
For all the true Fred! believers his posted odds are about 500-1
http://www.intrade.com/#
It is interesting to note that the man Fred! helped is also perceived by many to be among the most liberal of all the candidates running for the nomination. Anti-torture, amnesty, global warming etc
“It is interesting to note that the man Fred! helped is also perceived by many to be among the most liberal of all the candidates running for the nomination. Anti-torture, amnesty, global warming etc”
I can’t understand how a sentient being could come to such a baseless conclusion. I find more and more these days, that I believe that the general population of this country do not deserve the many patriots that defend our country.
John Ryan a sentient being? He is anything but. Ignore him, he’s nothing but a troll.
Nice analysis, Mike, but I really wish the blogs and the mass media would stop with the identity politics and ideology politics and get to ‘issue politics’. I don’t care how self-described churchgoers or conservatives or independents voted. I am more interested in seeing how people voted on the issues. Because then we can all get to work on educating these voters on the issues.
For example, let’s say that 40% of people who wanted a tough policy on illegal immigration voted for John McCain. To me, that makes no sense and I would question whether or not those voters know all about John McCain’s stance on illegal immigration. I would take from that, that they do not and then would know that voters do not seem to know about the illegal immigration issue and would work to get that info out.
Another example would be say 40% of voters whose first priority is the economy voted for Mike Huckabee. This also makes no sense to me, from what I know of Mike Huckabee’s big government, high taxing stance. So I would take that info and then work to get out the facts about Mike Huckabee’s economic policies.
The only thing I get out of “evangelicals voted this way” or “conservatives voted that way” is a way for us to all say “man, evengelicals are idiots for voting for X”. And someone who identifies as a “conservative” tells me nothing. On what issues are they conservative? Fiscal? Social? Foreign Policy? Are they “neo-cons” or Ron Paul foreign policy conservatives?
See what I mean, Mike?
I don’t necessarily blame the blogs as much, since I figure that you are just working with the data you have from the mass media.
BUT, even so, you are still pushing that mantra, which, I believe, is intended to divide people, instead of focus on the issues. I see this happening on a lot of political blogs or blogs which are just covering this Primary campaign. Instead of talking about issues, people are ripping into States, groups of people and religions based on these “exit polls” focusing not on issues, but on identity politics.
I believe this is hurting us and splitting the Party apart. And I believe that is exactly the intention of the mass media in focusing on identity politics instead of issues.
Oh come on Michael in Michigan.
What do you think we have been doing on our blogs for the past few months? We have exposed Huckabee’s socialist economics, his defeatist foreign policy and his pro-immigration stances.
Same for McCain. Did you not read the post I had over my personal enounter with McCain over the issues of 1. gang of 14, 2. Immigration 3. “Torture”?
If you look about two thirds down the exit polls I linked in my post:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21228202/
You’ll see what how voters ranked a series of issues and how it affected their vote.
You’ll also see :
Fred’s in the game. Just call his HQ/Friends of Fred 571-730-1000 to find what inquiring minds wanna know.
Melissa: Wish you had shared with us the information you received with that call.
I don’t see ANY info posted on Fred’s site after January 18th. And of course the candidate himself has not yet spoken, but word is that he has pulled out of FLorida debate on Thursday.
I haven’t heard anything about him not participating in the FL debates. Take that back FAUX news just said he’s skipping the debate, take it with a grain of salt. However he is in TN right now and hasn’t left his mother’s bedside. She is in the hospital with pneumonia at age 90+ which may be the reason he has gone quiet. Where would you be in this situation?
The phone call is summed up as this, his mother is very ill. He is at her side. Send well wishes for her recovery to the Nashville Campaign Headquarters.
Send all other inquiries and support emails for Fred to LLEVY@fred08.com and she will hand them to him in the morning.
*****************
The donations widgets are all operational. The red truck donation widget is operational and can be easily accessed on my blog since it has gone incognito on his blog.
I personally think he should skip FL, let the others run themselves out of money by fighting in the uber expensive Fl media and turn his attention to the super Tuesday states instead. He’s already here in TN a super Tuesday state. Why not campaign from his own front porch?
Fun trivia and answer: Guess where his famous red pick up is parked? (his mother’s driveway)
***
I see updates on his site on the 19th titled Thank You South Carolina and yesterday, the 21st, Video of Fred’s Speech in South Carolina.
At any rate, I’ll wait for official word from Fred, Bill Lacey, or Sean Hackbarth before I start fearing the worst.
If you look about two thirds down the exit polls I linked in my post:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21228202/
You’ll see what how voters ranked a series of issues and how it affected their vote.
That’s great, Mike. So why wasn’t that the topic of your post instead of the highlights about how conservatives, those who attend church and liberals/independents voted?
I’m not trying to be a little b*tch here. But I see this post-primary voting analysis happen on pretty much every blog. Instead of highlighting WHY people voted, the analysis is of WHO voted. I don’t care who voted and neither should anyone else. What matters is the issues.
Again, I’m just tired of seeing post-primary analysis focus on identity politics instead of issue politics.
By the way, “Candidate’s position vs candidate’s leadership/personality” tells me jack squat too.
As I said, how about 35% of those whose #1 issue was immigration went to Huckabee. 40% of those whose #1 issue was taxes went to Romney. etc etc
That is what matters to me. All that other stuff is meaningless nonsense, as far as I am concerned. Especially since I cannot do anything about it. I CAN do something about finding out that people who want illegal immigration stopped are voting for John McCain. That tells me they are not aware of his record. So I can talk to them about that.
What am I supposed to say to someone who says “ooh, I’m voting for him because of his personality!” What is this, American Idol?
Issues, issues issues. I want to see post-primary analysis on how people voted on the issues. Don’t you think that is most relevant? Shouldn’t that be most relevant?
“That’s great, Mike. So why wasn’t that the topic of your post instead of the highlights”
Beeeeccccaaauuusssseeee Michael, that wasn’t the point I wanted to make.
Don’t make me repeat again how often I have gone toe to toe IN PERSON TO MANY OF THESE CANDIDATES on the issues that are important.
And frankly, I think it is a VERY important story that more than one third of self identified conservatives rejected the ISSUES put forward by Huckabee and McCain.
I tend to agree with Melissa, but only because of the condition of Fred Thompson’s mother. Were she not ill, I would have wanted to see him campaign in FL and then work on any of the Super Tuesday states after that. I don’t see any reason for Fred Thompson to drop out until after Super Tuesday, if it comes to that. There is no clear cut leader right now.
The mass media is propping up McCain and Huckabee and are trashing Rudy, Romney and Fred. And they are ignoring Ron Paul. (probably a good thing). But I see no reason for any candidate to drop out until after Super Tuesday. Those people deserve some choices.
And I wouldn’t take the word of FAUX news for anything anymore. They are quite the joke. They have been trying to push Fred Thompson out of this race for quite a while now. That said, the only reason I can see for Fred Thompson to skip the debate is to be at his mother’s side. I don’t see it as a prelude to dropping out of the race.
But, we’ll see what he has to say tomorrow. He may just be setting everyone up again with the mass media expecting a speech about dropping out and he uses them to give another stump speech. heh
“And frankly, I think it is a VERY important story that more than one third of self identified conservatives rejected the ISSUES put forward by Huckabee and McCain.”
My point is when I see “conservative”, I have no clue what that means. Fiscal? Social? Neo-cons? Isolationists? Ron Paul conservatives? What does that tell me? Nothing.
Now, if they said “social conservatives voted…” or “fiscal conservatives voted…”, then that would tell me something.
There are many people who call themselves conservative who are supporting Mike Huckabee or John McCain, even though they are both pretty much liberals. So when I see that, I wonder, what makes them call themselves a conservative and see John McCain or Mike Huckabee as a conservative? But, I don’t get that answer, I get “conservatives voted…” Brilliant.
Michael:
WHY… DO… YOU…THINK… I… GAVE… YOU… THE…LINK…TO….THE…EXIT….POLLS?
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21228202/
If you don’t like MY analysis, write your own!
You don’t even have to be “brilliant” to do it!
“…more than one third of self identified conservatives rejected the ISSUES put forward by Huckabee and McCain.”
I guess this is where we differ, Mike. I read this and think to myself “WOW, 61% of conservatives are supporting the two biggest liberals in the GOP race? What the hell is going on here?”
But again, my next question is what kind of ‘conservatives’ are they? And what are their main issues. If social conservatives, why are they supporting McCain when he has not been fully pro-life, when he went against the Wisconsin Right to Life? If they are supporting Huckabee, don’t they know about his taking money from embryonic stem cell groups? If they are fiscal and are supporting them, don’t they know about McCain’s support of global warming which will have a HUGE affect on the economy. Or if Huckabee, don’t they know he is a big government tax raiser?
These are things I cannot address if all I get is “conservatives voted…”
Do you get what I’m saying?
“If you don’t like MY analysis, write your own!
You don’t even have to be “brilliant” to do it!”
Geez, Mike you don’t have to be such an a**hole, you know? I came here asking I thought some relevant questions and all I get is shit from you. Get over yourself.
Nice way of treating your readers and fellow republican voters.
http://race42008.com/2008/01/21/fred-thompson-news/trackback/
Apparently his mother is in very bad shape, but he hasn’t withdrawn from the debate on Thursday. Still waiting on him. I hate waiting.
7 comments from you Michael in Michigan complaining about the content of my post.
In the time it took you to do all that, you could have written at least ONE substantive counter to what I have written.
But instead, you continue to complain about me…
Good Grief!
Thanks for that update Melissa:
http://race42008.com/2008/01/21/fred-thompson-news/
I’m still trying to get over an above poster (Faux News) ???
Sounds like you listen to CNN the Communist New Network!
Whatever, Fred isnt out till Fred says he’s out 🙂
Actually, the way Fox has been reporting on the election I would have to agree. It’s almost surreal, Fox has been denigrated Fred every day while CNN actually seems to be giving him kudos…..
Nope, I don’t watch Clinton News Network except on primary/debate nights as they have the best coverage. I watch all over the web, and have learned to take anything and everything with a grain of salt. Believe none of what you hear and maybe half of what you see.