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		<title>By: Flopping Aces » Blog Archive &#187; The Homeless Veterans</title>
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		<dc:creator>Flopping Aces » Blog Archive &#187; The Homeless Veterans</dc:creator>
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		<description>[...] the Bush administration and the War on Terror. Last time it was veterans who become criminals which ended badly for the MSM. They definitely had egg on their face from that [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Blue Star Chronicles</title>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;The New York Times Continues its War Against America...&lt;/strong&gt;







I suppose everyone has heard about the recent New York Times &#8217;study&#8217; on the violence of our military men returning from Foreign battles. The article referred to &#8216;murders&#8217; committed by veterans of foreign battles as f...</description>
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<p>I suppose everyone has heard about the recent New York Times &#8217;study&#8217; on the violence of our military men returning from Foreign battles. The article referred to &#8216;murders&#8217; committed by veterans of foreign battles as f&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Wordsmith</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 06:01:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nypost.com/seven/01152008/postopinion/opedcolumnists/smearing_soldiers_265875.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Ralph Peters in the NY Post&lt;/a&gt;:

&lt;blockquote&gt; SMEARING SOLDIERS

By RALPH PETERS 
January 15, 2008 -- THE New York Times is trashing our troops again. With no new &quot;atrocities&quot; to report from Iraq for many a month, the limping Gray Lady turned to the home front. Front and center, above the fold, on the front page of Sunday&#039;s Times, the week&#039;s feature story sought to convince Americans that combat experiences in Iraq and Afghanistan are turning troops into murderers when they come home.

Heart-wringing tales of madness and murder not only made the front page, but filled two entire centerfold pages and spilled onto a fourth.

The Times did get one basic fact right: Returning vets committed or are charged with 121 murders in the United States since our current wars began.

Had the Times&#039; &quot;journalists&quot; and editors bothered to put those figures in context - which they carefully avoided doing - they would&#039;ve found that the murder rate that leaves them so aghast means that our vets are five times less likely to commit a murder than their demographic peers.

The Times&#039; public editor, Clark Hoyt, should crunch the numbers. I&#039;m even willing to spot the Times a few percentage points (either way). But the hard statistics from the Justice Department tell a far different tale from the Times&#039; anti-military propaganda.

A very conservative estimate of how many different service members have passed through Iraq, Afghanistan and Kuwait since 2003 is 350,000 (and no, that&#039;s not double-counting those with repeated tours of duty).

Now consider the Justice Department&#039;s numbers for murders committed by all Americans aged 18 to 34 - the key group for our men and women in uniform. To match the homicide rate of their peers, our troops would&#039;ve had to come home and commit about 150 murders a year, for a total of 700 to 750 murders between 2003 and the end of 2007.

In other words, the Times unwittingly makes the case that military service reduces the likelihood of a young man or woman committing a murder by 80 percent.

Yes, the young Americans who join our military are (by self- selection) superior by far to the average stay-at-home. Still, these numbers are pretty impressive, when you consider that we&#039;re speaking of men and women trained in the tools of war, who&#039;ve endured the acute stresses of fighting insurgencies and who are physically robust (rather unlike the stick-limbed weanies the Times prefers).

All in all, the Times&#039; own data proves my long-time contention that we have the best behaved and most ethical military in history.

Now, since the folks at the Times are terribly busy and awfully important, let&#039;s make it easy for them to do the research themselves (you can do it, too - in five minutes).

Just Google &quot;USA Murder Statistics.&quot; The top site to appear will be the Department of Justice&#039;s Bureau of Justice Statistics. Click on it, then go to &quot;Demographic Trends.&quot; Click on &quot;Age.&quot; For hard numbers on the key demographics, click on the colored graphs.

Run the numbers yourself, based upon the demographic percentages of murders per every 100,000 people. Then look at the actual murder counts.

Know what else you&#039;ll learn? In 2005 alone, 8,718 young Americans from the same age group were murdered in this country. That&#039;s well over twice as many as the number of troops killed in all our foreign missions since 2001. Maybe military service not only prevents you from committing crimes, but also keeps you alive?

Want more numbers? In the District of Columbia, our nation&#039;s capital, the murder rate for the 18-34 group was about 14 times higher than the rate of murders allegedly committed by returning vets.

And that actually understates the District&#039;s problem, since many DC-related murders spill across into Prince George&#039;s County (another Democratic Party stronghold).

In DC, an 18-34 population half the size of the total number of troops who&#039;ve served in our wars overseas committed the lion&#039;s share of 992 murders between 2003 and 2007 - the years mourned by the Times as proving that our veterans are psychotic killers.

Aren&#039;t editors supposed to ask tough questions on feature stories? Are the Times&#039; editors so determined to undermine the public&#039;s support for our troops that they&#039;ll violate the most-basic rules of journalism, such as putting numbers in context?

Answer that one for yourself.

Of course, all of this is part of the disgraceful left-wing campaign to pretend sympathy with soldiers - the Times column gushes crocodile tears - while portraying our troops as clichéd maniacs from the Oliver Stone fantasies that got lefties so self-righteously excited 20 years ago (See? We were right to dodge the draft . . .).

And it&#039;s not going to stop. Given the stakes in an election year, the duplicity will only intensify.

For an upcoming treat, we&#039;ll get the film &quot;Stop-Loss,&quot; starring, as always, young punks who never served in uniform as soldiers. This left-wing diatribe argues that truly courageous troops would refuse to return to Iraq - at a time when soldiers and Marines continue to re-enlist at record rates, expecting to plunge back into the fight.

Those on the left will never accept that the finest young Americans are those who risk their lives defending freedom. Sen. John Kerry summed up the views of the left perfectly when he disparaged our troops as too stupid to do anything but sling hamburgers.

And The New York Times will never forgive our men and women in uniform for their infuriating successes in Iraq.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.nypost.com/seven/01152008/postopinion/opedcolumnists/smearing_soldiers_265875.htm" rel="nofollow">Ralph Peters in the NY Post</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p> SMEARING SOLDIERS</p>
<p>By RALPH PETERS<br />
January 15, 2008 &#8212; THE New York Times is trashing our troops again. With no new &#8220;atrocities&#8221; to report from Iraq for many a month, the limping Gray Lady turned to the home front. Front and center, above the fold, on the front page of Sunday&#8217;s Times, the week&#8217;s feature story sought to convince Americans that combat experiences in Iraq and Afghanistan are turning troops into murderers when they come home.</p>
<p>Heart-wringing tales of madness and murder not only made the front page, but filled two entire centerfold pages and spilled onto a fourth.</p>
<p>The Times did get one basic fact right: Returning vets committed or are charged with 121 murders in the United States since our current wars began.</p>
<p>Had the Times&#8217; &#8220;journalists&#8221; and editors bothered to put those figures in context &#8211; which they carefully avoided doing &#8211; they would&#8217;ve found that the murder rate that leaves them so aghast means that our vets are five times less likely to commit a murder than their demographic peers.</p>
<p>The Times&#8217; public editor, Clark Hoyt, should crunch the numbers. I&#8217;m even willing to spot the Times a few percentage points (either way). But the hard statistics from the Justice Department tell a far different tale from the Times&#8217; anti-military propaganda.</p>
<p>A very conservative estimate of how many different service members have passed through Iraq, Afghanistan and Kuwait since 2003 is 350,000 (and no, that&#8217;s not double-counting those with repeated tours of duty).</p>
<p>Now consider the Justice Department&#8217;s numbers for murders committed by all Americans aged 18 to 34 &#8211; the key group for our men and women in uniform. To match the homicide rate of their peers, our troops would&#8217;ve had to come home and commit about 150 murders a year, for a total of 700 to 750 murders between 2003 and the end of 2007.</p>
<p>In other words, the Times unwittingly makes the case that military service reduces the likelihood of a young man or woman committing a murder by 80 percent.</p>
<p>Yes, the young Americans who join our military are (by self- selection) superior by far to the average stay-at-home. Still, these numbers are pretty impressive, when you consider that we&#8217;re speaking of men and women trained in the tools of war, who&#8217;ve endured the acute stresses of fighting insurgencies and who are physically robust (rather unlike the stick-limbed weanies the Times prefers).</p>
<p>All in all, the Times&#8217; own data proves my long-time contention that we have the best behaved and most ethical military in history.</p>
<p>Now, since the folks at the Times are terribly busy and awfully important, let&#8217;s make it easy for them to do the research themselves (you can do it, too &#8211; in five minutes).</p>
<p>Just Google &#8220;USA Murder Statistics.&#8221; The top site to appear will be the Department of Justice&#8217;s Bureau of Justice Statistics. Click on it, then go to &#8220;Demographic Trends.&#8221; Click on &#8220;Age.&#8221; For hard numbers on the key demographics, click on the colored graphs.</p>
<p>Run the numbers yourself, based upon the demographic percentages of murders per every 100,000 people. Then look at the actual murder counts.</p>
<p>Know what else you&#8217;ll learn? In 2005 alone, 8,718 young Americans from the same age group were murdered in this country. That&#8217;s well over twice as many as the number of troops killed in all our foreign missions since 2001. Maybe military service not only prevents you from committing crimes, but also keeps you alive?</p>
<p>Want more numbers? In the District of Columbia, our nation&#8217;s capital, the murder rate for the 18-34 group was about 14 times higher than the rate of murders allegedly committed by returning vets.</p>
<p>And that actually understates the District&#8217;s problem, since many DC-related murders spill across into Prince George&#8217;s County (another Democratic Party stronghold).</p>
<p>In DC, an 18-34 population half the size of the total number of troops who&#8217;ve served in our wars overseas committed the lion&#8217;s share of 992 murders between 2003 and 2007 &#8211; the years mourned by the Times as proving that our veterans are psychotic killers.</p>
<p>Aren&#8217;t editors supposed to ask tough questions on feature stories? Are the Times&#8217; editors so determined to undermine the public&#8217;s support for our troops that they&#8217;ll violate the most-basic rules of journalism, such as putting numbers in context?</p>
<p>Answer that one for yourself.</p>
<p>Of course, all of this is part of the disgraceful left-wing campaign to pretend sympathy with soldiers &#8211; the Times column gushes crocodile tears &#8211; while portraying our troops as clichéd maniacs from the Oliver Stone fantasies that got lefties so self-righteously excited 20 years ago (See? We were right to dodge the draft . . .).</p>
<p>And it&#8217;s not going to stop. Given the stakes in an election year, the duplicity will only intensify.</p>
<p>For an upcoming treat, we&#8217;ll get the film &#8220;Stop-Loss,&#8221; starring, as always, young punks who never served in uniform as soldiers. This left-wing diatribe argues that truly courageous troops would refuse to return to Iraq &#8211; at a time when soldiers and Marines continue to re-enlist at record rates, expecting to plunge back into the fight.</p>
<p>Those on the left will never accept that the finest young Americans are those who risk their lives defending freedom. Sen. John Kerry summed up the views of the left perfectly when he disparaged our troops as too stupid to do anything but sling hamburgers.</p>
<p>And The New York Times will never forgive our men and women in uniform for their infuriating successes in Iraq.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: I’ve Got a One-Word Verdict on This Article and Its Research: BULLSH!T &#171; AmeriCAN-DO Attitude</title>
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		<dc:creator>I’ve Got a One-Word Verdict on This Article and Its Research: BULLSH!T &#171; AmeriCAN-DO Attitude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 03:29:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Curt at Flopping Aces also has links to many more military bloggers and anti-idiotarian bloggers who are expressing their outrage on this issue. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Curt at Flopping Aces also has links to many more military bloggers and anti-idiotarian bloggers who are expressing their outrage on this issue. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: New York Times Smears OEF and OIF Military Veterans &#171; AmeriCAN-DO Attitude</title>
		<link>http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/01/13/the-nyts-needlessly-slanders-our-troops/#comment-11606</link>
		<dc:creator>New York Times Smears OEF and OIF Military Veterans &#171; AmeriCAN-DO Attitude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 01:32:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the mass media decided to put on the front pages of their papers across the country this morning, Curt at Flopping Aces and Charlie at Op-For have the details. Here is the summary intro from Curt: The NYT&#8217;s [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] the mass media decided to put on the front pages of their papers across the country this morning, Curt at Flopping Aces and Charlie at Op-For have the details. Here is the summary intro from Curt: The NYT&#8217;s [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Banjo</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 19:14:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fox News has been taking the story down all morning, doubtless relying on questions first raised by bloggers..</description>
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		<title>By: Wordsmith</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 18:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Curt, I received the following from &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.soldiersperspective.us/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;CJ&lt;/a&gt;, from &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.moveamericaforward.org/index.php/MAF/MAFNews&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Move America Forward&lt;/a&gt;:

&lt;blockquote&gt;New York Times ‘Killer Vet’ Story
Exposed as Erroneous by Pro-Troop Group

SACRAMENTO- Move America Forward (website: www.MoveAmericaForward.org), the nation’s largest grassroots pro-troop organization, today announced that after vetting the numbers cited by The New York Times in their Sunday, January 13, 2008 story, “Across America, Deadly Echoes of Foreign Battles,” it became clear that the Times had engaged in demonstrably erroneous and false reporting.

It took seven New York Times researchers to find 121 cases in which veterans of Iraq and Afghanistan committed a killing in the United States, or were charged with one, upon returning home to this country.

The Times made the false conclusion that:  “Taken together, they paint the patchwork of a quiet phenomenon, tracing a cross-country trail of death and heartbreak.”

The Times documentation of 121 potential killings out of more than 1.5 million veterans of Operation Iraqi Freedom (Iraq) and Operation Enduring Freedom (Afghanistan), divided by 6 years of conflict results in a murder rate of just 1.34 incidents per 100,000 veterans per year.&lt;strong&gt;***&lt;/strong&gt;

That murder rate is far lower than the murder rate for the general population, demonstrating that the experiences of military service – including having served in Iraq and Afghanistan – actually made it less likely for returning veterans to commit murder once they returned home, than the general population.

Given a census-estimated population of the United States of 300,000,000 persons in this country as of October 2006, and FBI-compiled statistics of 17,399 homicide offenders for 2006, the murder rate of the general population was 5.80 offenders per 100,000 on average – and a rate of approximately 7.67 per 100,000 for men.

Since all but one of the veterans cited by the Times who committed a killing in the U.S. was male, the comparable rate is approximately 7.67 incidents of murder per 100,000 people among the general male population, compared to just 1.34 incidents per 100,000 returning Iraq and Afghanistan veterans (of both genders).

“It’s obvious that the New York Times has an agenda of undermining the missions of our troops in the War on Terror, so much so that they are willing to resort to demonstrably false statistics to support their anti-troop bias,” said Melanie Morgan, Chairman of Move America Forward.

“The slander of our troops and veterans by the New York Times is unfortunately all too familiar.  We heard this kind of nonsense about our returning veterans from Vietnam.  It’s the same insult, different war.

“Perhaps the shameful staff of The New York Times has run out of war-time secrets to publish for America’s enemies to read, because now they’ve resorted to an all-out smear campaign of America’s finest men and women, who have served this country bravely and with distinction,” Morgan said.

In place of hard data to support their premise, The New York Times was instead forced to devote almost the entire portion of 6,321 word hit-piece to anecdotes of wrongdoing by individual veterans.

The New York Times even went so far as to trace back the phenomenon of murderous veterans to Greek mythology to back up their assertions of their report.

“The real mythology is the reporting by The New York Times,” Move America Forward’s Melanie Morgan concluded. 

&lt;center&gt;~~~&lt;/center&gt;

NOTE TO REPORTERS/BLOGGERS:  Melanie Morgan and a delegation of staffers from Move America Forward have just returned from a 10-day trip interviewing U.S. troops in Iraq and Kuwait.

To schedule an interview with Melanie Morgan or the other members who traveled to Kuwait and Iraq including: Gold Star Mom Debbie Lee (mother of first Navy Seal killed in Iraq), MAF Communications Director, Danny Gonzalez, and MAF Deputy Executive Director, Mary Pearson, contact Ryan Gill of Move America Forward at:  (916) 441-6197 or via email at:  mary@MoveAmericaForward.org

&gt;&gt; You can link to this report, which is published at the Move America Forward website, at this location:
http://www.moveamericaforward.org/index.php/MAF/MAFNews

&lt;strong&gt;***&lt;/strong&gt; Note that the central statistical measure is how many instances of alleged killings take place per 100,000 Iraq/Afghanistan war veterans who returned home.  The New York Times might argue that our statistics are incorrect since the 1.5+ million Iraq/Afghanistan veterans have not been home during the entire 6 years of the war (especially since in the early onset of Operation Enduring Freedom troops were just arriving into the war zone).

However, Salon.com reports that as of January 31, 2005 there were 1,048,884 Americans who had fought in Iraq or Afghanistan.  One can then calculate statistics from that point onward.  Let’s give the New York Times the leeway of saying their alleged 121 incidents of killings by veterans occured during just the three years that elapsed since that time to the present.  The murder rate per 100,000 people would still be approximately 3.5 incidents of murder per 100,000 returning Iraq/Afghanistan veterans.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.moveamericaforward.org/index.php/MAF/FullNewsIte&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Click here to read full story&lt;/a&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Curt, I received the following from <a href="http://www.soldiersperspective.us/" rel="nofollow">CJ</a>, from <a href="http://www.moveamericaforward.org/index.php/MAF/MAFNews" rel="nofollow">Move America Forward</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>New York Times ‘Killer Vet’ Story<br />
Exposed as Erroneous by Pro-Troop Group</p>
<p>SACRAMENTO- Move America Forward (website: <a href="http://www.MoveAmericaForward.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.MoveAmericaForward.org</a>), the nation’s largest grassroots pro-troop organization, today announced that after vetting the numbers cited by The New York Times in their Sunday, January 13, 2008 story, “Across America, Deadly Echoes of Foreign Battles,” it became clear that the Times had engaged in demonstrably erroneous and false reporting.</p>
<p>It took seven New York Times researchers to find 121 cases in which veterans of Iraq and Afghanistan committed a killing in the United States, or were charged with one, upon returning home to this country.</p>
<p>The Times made the false conclusion that:  “Taken together, they paint the patchwork of a quiet phenomenon, tracing a cross-country trail of death and heartbreak.”</p>
<p>The Times documentation of 121 potential killings out of more than 1.5 million veterans of Operation Iraqi Freedom (Iraq) and Operation Enduring Freedom (Afghanistan), divided by 6 years of conflict results in a murder rate of just 1.34 incidents per 100,000 veterans per year.<strong>***</strong></p>
<p>That murder rate is far lower than the murder rate for the general population, demonstrating that the experiences of military service – including having served in Iraq and Afghanistan – actually made it less likely for returning veterans to commit murder once they returned home, than the general population.</p>
<p>Given a census-estimated population of the United States of 300,000,000 persons in this country as of October 2006, and FBI-compiled statistics of 17,399 homicide offenders for 2006, the murder rate of the general population was 5.80 offenders per 100,000 on average – and a rate of approximately 7.67 per 100,000 for men.</p>
<p>Since all but one of the veterans cited by the Times who committed a killing in the U.S. was male, the comparable rate is approximately 7.67 incidents of murder per 100,000 people among the general male population, compared to just 1.34 incidents per 100,000 returning Iraq and Afghanistan veterans (of both genders).</p>
<p>“It’s obvious that the New York Times has an agenda of undermining the missions of our troops in the War on Terror, so much so that they are willing to resort to demonstrably false statistics to support their anti-troop bias,” said Melanie Morgan, Chairman of Move America Forward.</p>
<p>“The slander of our troops and veterans by the New York Times is unfortunately all too familiar.  We heard this kind of nonsense about our returning veterans from Vietnam.  It’s the same insult, different war.</p>
<p>“Perhaps the shameful staff of The New York Times has run out of war-time secrets to publish for America’s enemies to read, because now they’ve resorted to an all-out smear campaign of America’s finest men and women, who have served this country bravely and with distinction,” Morgan said.</p>
<p>In place of hard data to support their premise, The New York Times was instead forced to devote almost the entire portion of 6,321 word hit-piece to anecdotes of wrongdoing by individual veterans.</p>
<p>The New York Times even went so far as to trace back the phenomenon of murderous veterans to Greek mythology to back up their assertions of their report.</p>
<p>“The real mythology is the reporting by The New York Times,” Move America Forward’s Melanie Morgan concluded. </p>
<p><center>~~~</center></p>
<p>NOTE TO REPORTERS/BLOGGERS:  Melanie Morgan and a delegation of staffers from Move America Forward have just returned from a 10-day trip interviewing U.S. troops in Iraq and Kuwait.</p>
<p>To schedule an interview with Melanie Morgan or the other members who traveled to Kuwait and Iraq including: Gold Star Mom Debbie Lee (mother of first Navy Seal killed in Iraq), MAF Communications Director, Danny Gonzalez, and MAF Deputy Executive Director, Mary Pearson, contact Ryan Gill of Move America Forward at:  (916) 441-6197 or via email at:  <a href="mailto:mary@MoveAmericaForward.org">mary@MoveAmericaForward.org</a></p>
<p>>> You can link to this report, which is published at the Move America Forward website, at this location:<br />
<a href="http://www.moveamericaforward.org/index.php/MAF/MAFNews" rel="nofollow">http://www.moveamericaforward.org/index.php/MAF/MAFNews</a></p>
<p><strong>***</strong> Note that the central statistical measure is how many instances of alleged killings take place per 100,000 Iraq/Afghanistan war veterans who returned home.  The New York Times might argue that our statistics are incorrect since the 1.5+ million Iraq/Afghanistan veterans have not been home during the entire 6 years of the war (especially since in the early onset of Operation Enduring Freedom troops were just arriving into the war zone).</p>
<p>However, <a href="http://Salon.com" title="http://Salon.com" class="autohyperlink" target="_blank">Salon.com&#8230;</a> reports that as of January 31, 2005 there were 1,048,884 Americans who had fought in Iraq or Afghanistan.  One can then calculate statistics from that point onward.  Let’s give the New York Times the leeway of saying their alleged 121 incidents of killings by veterans occured during just the three years that elapsed since that time to the present.  The murder rate per 100,000 people would still be approximately 3.5 incidents of murder per 100,000 returning Iraq/Afghanistan veterans.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.moveamericaforward.org/index.php/MAF/FullNewsIte" rel="nofollow">Click here to read full story</a></p>
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		<title>By: We are Safer Because Children Hold Our Soldiers&#8217; Hands &#171; AmeriCAN-DO Attitude</title>
		<link>http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/01/13/the-nyts-needlessly-slanders-our-troops/#comment-11498</link>
		<dc:creator>We are Safer Because Children Hold Our Soldiers&#8217; Hands &#171; AmeriCAN-DO Attitude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 05:12:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the mass media decided to put on the front pages of their papers across the country this morning, Curt at Flopping Aces and Charlie at Op-For have the details. Here is the summary intro from Curt: The NYT&#8217;s [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] the mass media decided to put on the front pages of their papers across the country this morning, Curt at Flopping Aces and Charlie at Op-For have the details. Here is the summary intro from Curt: The NYT&#8217;s [...]</p>
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		<title>By: ChrisG</title>
		<link>http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/01/13/the-nyts-needlessly-slanders-our-troops/#comment-11487</link>
		<dc:creator>ChrisG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 03:10:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I am upset and outraged by the continued multiple knives in the back &quot;support&quot; we get from the MSM and left in general, I am not surprised.  Disgusted, but not surprised.

Nor am I surprised that, yet again, the media in their arrogance (or stupidity) has written a biased, distorted hit piece so easily torn down by simple investigation and reason.  Actually, this piece took even less work to debunk than &quot;Green Helmet Guy&quot;, &quot;Muslim Rage Boy&quot;, &quot;Fatwa with her hands raised&quot;, &quot;Israelis are shooting missiles at Red Cross Vehicles&quot;, and Marines &quot;executed&quot; terrorists in Fallujah (because they all had head wounds....from 200m+ shots).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I am upset and outraged by the continued multiple knives in the back &#8220;support&#8221; we get from the MSM and left in general, I am not surprised.  Disgusted, but not surprised.</p>
<p>Nor am I surprised that, yet again, the media in their arrogance (or stupidity) has written a biased, distorted hit piece so easily torn down by simple investigation and reason.  Actually, this piece took even less work to debunk than &#8220;Green Helmet Guy&#8221;, &#8220;Muslim Rage Boy&#8221;, &#8220;Fatwa with her hands raised&#8221;, &#8220;Israelis are shooting missiles at Red Cross Vehicles&#8221;, and Marines &#8220;executed&#8221; terrorists in Fallujah (because they all had head wounds&#8230;.from 200m+ shots).</p>
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		<title>By: Random</title>
		<link>http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/01/13/the-nyts-needlessly-slanders-our-troops/#comment-11467</link>
		<dc:creator>Random</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2008 23:21:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unfortunatley this trash has been picked up by my local paper and was run on the front page. 

While we can all gather here and complain, I would suggest we will have more effect on the world if some of you who are skilled at writing (And make fewer spelling mstakes then I) write to the editorial column of any paper you see running this garbage. 

Hopefully that will awaken a few people outside of this blog to the truth of this article.

Random</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunatley this trash has been picked up by my local paper and was run on the front page. </p>
<p>While we can all gather here and complain, I would suggest we will have more effect on the world if some of you who are skilled at writing (And make fewer spelling mstakes then I) write to the editorial column of any paper you see running this garbage. </p>
<p>Hopefully that will awaken a few people outside of this blog to the truth of this article.</p>
<p>Random</p>
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		<title>By: Banjo</title>
		<link>http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/01/13/the-nyts-needlessly-slanders-our-troops/#comment-11463</link>
		<dc:creator>Banjo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2008 23:04:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The NYTimes is written by the left for the left. Where&#039;s the surprise here?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The NYTimes is written by the left for the left. Where&#8217;s the surprise here?</p>
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		<title>By: JustADude</title>
		<link>http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/01/13/the-nyts-needlessly-slanders-our-troops/#comment-11450</link>
		<dc:creator>JustADude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2008 20:08:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just went back for a second read of the article and another question occurs.  With the exception of one veteran who had signed on as a private contractor to return to Iraq, the article does not clearly state if they only include Army/Marine personnel or is this a military service wide ie Army/Navy/Marine/AirForce/Coast Guard total.
Plus it does not indicate in any way that I could detect if National Guard / Air Guard and such were included in the data set.

Unless the Times lays out the breakdowns for what they included in their calculations or inclusions in their data base the story is worthless for comparison.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just went back for a second read of the article and another question occurs.  With the exception of one veteran who had signed on as a private contractor to return to Iraq, the article does not clearly state if they only include Army/Marine personnel or is this a military service wide ie Army/Navy/Marine/AirForce/Coast Guard total.<br />
Plus it does not indicate in any way that I could detect if National Guard / Air Guard and such were included in the data set.</p>
<p>Unless the Times lays out the breakdowns for what they included in their calculations or inclusions in their data base the story is worthless for comparison.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
		<link>http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/01/13/the-nyts-needlessly-slanders-our-troops/#comment-11449</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2008 19:51:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yet another example of how the NYT is supporting the troops, and how opposition to the war in Iraq is not at all unpatriotic (Iraq war; the war Hillary and Barack both vow to continue until 2013 until the Bush Admin objectives are met).

[/sarcasm off]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yet another example of how the NYT is supporting the troops, and how opposition to the war in Iraq is not at all unpatriotic (Iraq war; the war Hillary and Barack both vow to continue until 2013 until the Bush Admin objectives are met).</p>
<p>[/sarcasm off]</p>
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		<title>By: JustADude</title>
		<link>http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/01/13/the-nyts-needlessly-slanders-our-troops/#comment-11447</link>
		<dc:creator>JustADude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2008 19:41:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But no matter how you cut it with the 6 year example I proposed that would move the military related murders to 20 per year annual rate for the entire age span of the military as a whole.

Leaving out any sort of scale of comparison by the NYT in their story is a sin of omission that relegates the determination of the severity of the issue to the reader and does little to inform and in fact leads to a potential conclusion that mis informs the reader.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But no matter how you cut it with the 6 year example I proposed that would move the military related murders to 20 per year annual rate for the entire age span of the military as a whole.</p>
<p>Leaving out any sort of scale of comparison by the NYT in their story is a sin of omission that relegates the determination of the severity of the issue to the reader and does little to inform and in fact leads to a potential conclusion that mis informs the reader.</p>
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		<title>By: JustADude</title>
		<link>http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/01/13/the-nyts-needlessly-slanders-our-troops/#comment-11446</link>
		<dc:creator>JustADude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2008 19:37:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another consideration that throws the whole calculation into issue is the civilian rate is not as it by that name would appear to reflect.

If a military person committed a murder it would be included in the national statistics (the &quot;civilian&quot; murder count) which does not exclude military personnel related killings.

Thus the data is even more nebulous as to what the true ratios are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another consideration that throws the whole calculation into issue is the civilian rate is not as it by that name would appear to reflect.</p>
<p>If a military person committed a murder it would be included in the national statistics (the &#8220;civilian&#8221; murder count) which does not exclude military personnel related killings.</p>
<p>Thus the data is even more nebulous as to what the true ratios are.</p>
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