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		<title>By: jpe</title>
		<link>http://www.floppingaces.net/2007/12/28/trial-lawyers-rear-their-ugly/#comment-10051</link>
		<dc:creator>jpe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Dec 2007 14:11:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So you&#039;re in favor of immunity for terrorism committed by Iran.  Good to have you on record.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So you&#8217;re in favor of immunity for terrorism committed by Iran.  Good to have you on record.</p>
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		<title>By: JustADude</title>
		<link>http://www.floppingaces.net/2007/12/28/trial-lawyers-rear-their-ugly/#comment-10050</link>
		<dc:creator>JustADude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Dec 2007 10:54:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doesn&#039;t mean he can&#039;t act like a pocket veto now but have an actual veto signed and sealed in the desk drawer embargoed till just before New Years Eve to seal the deal.

Bills entered into the system in the middle of the night for voting the next morning, pro forma sessions , fly by earmarks pick your additions.  Tell me that is a congress offering legislation designed to stand on it&#039;s merits.

Nope I have been saying for months this congress is INTENTIONALLY TRYING to look like a do nothing congress.

During the last week of their session it became clear watching Cspan due to all the important bills being debated.

Talking points repeated over and over during the debates and showing up on left side blogs at the same time.

It&#039;s the obstructionist republicans
It&#039;s the veto happy president
We need veto proof majorities in both houses
We need a dem in the White House

Actual testimony during the debates over and over.

They willing to accomplish little if nothing more than mandatory funding bills just to whip their base into a frenzy to provide them the seats to ensure their power structure. Waste a year to achieve longer term objectives.

Now the question is was their base fooled enough to buy it or are the hacked off because they wasted time in just political gamesmanship?

Their low poll numbers give us hints.  The rejection is a combination of moderates upset with their games and lack of legislation.
The anti-war socialist leaning left upset with no pullout and lack of legislation (but a whole different focus from moderate dems).
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doesn&#8217;t mean he can&#8217;t act like a pocket veto now but have an actual veto signed and sealed in the desk drawer embargoed till just before New Years Eve to seal the deal.</p>
<p>Bills entered into the system in the middle of the night for voting the next morning, pro forma sessions , fly by earmarks pick your additions.  Tell me that is a congress offering legislation designed to stand on it&#8217;s merits.</p>
<p>Nope I have been saying for months this congress is INTENTIONALLY TRYING to look like a do nothing congress.</p>
<p>During the last week of their session it became clear watching Cspan due to all the important bills being debated.</p>
<p>Talking points repeated over and over during the debates and showing up on left side blogs at the same time.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s the obstructionist republicans<br />
It&#8217;s the veto happy president<br />
We need veto proof majorities in both houses<br />
We need a dem in the White House</p>
<p>Actual testimony during the debates over and over.</p>
<p>They willing to accomplish little if nothing more than mandatory funding bills just to whip their base into a frenzy to provide them the seats to ensure their power structure. Waste a year to achieve longer term objectives.</p>
<p>Now the question is was their base fooled enough to buy it or are the hacked off because they wasted time in just political gamesmanship?</p>
<p>Their low poll numbers give us hints.  The rejection is a combination of moderates upset with their games and lack of legislation.<br />
The anti-war socialist leaning left upset with no pullout and lack of legislation (but a whole different focus from moderate dems).</p>
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		<title>By: Curt</title>
		<link>http://www.floppingaces.net/2007/12/28/trial-lawyers-rear-their-ugly/#comment-10049</link>
		<dc:creator>Curt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Dec 2007 07:25:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not sure Brad but I think if the Democrats tried to pull that stunt every Republican would be in Washington within a few hours to ensure no override would happen.

Also, as far as I&#039;ve heard this is a pocket veto.  Not a true veto.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not sure Brad but I think if the Democrats tried to pull that stunt every Republican would be in Washington within a few hours to ensure no override would happen.</p>
<p>Also, as far as I&#8217;ve heard this is a pocket veto.  Not a true veto.</p>
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		<title>By: Brad S</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brad S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Dec 2007 05:32:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Curt, I don&#039;t believe that Bush&#039;s pocket veto has anything to do with what&#039;s in the bill. I get the impression that Bush is doing this because he wants to challenge the idea that pro-forma (i.e. Jim Webb coming in to gavel for 10 seconds) Senate sessions are legal sessions, so that he can get recess appointments through. He has until 1159PM EST on 12/31/07 before that pocket veto comes into effect.

Last I checked, both the House and the Senate had to have a quorum (50% of membership) in order to conduct business. So could this mean that over the weekend, we could see 218 House members and 51 Senators come in to override Bush&#039;s veto? After all, you only have to have 2/3 of the quorum to override a veto, not 2/3 of total membership of each House of Congress.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Curt, I don&#8217;t believe that Bush&#8217;s pocket veto has anything to do with what&#8217;s in the bill. I get the impression that Bush is doing this because he wants to challenge the idea that pro-forma (i.e. Jim Webb coming in to gavel for 10 seconds) Senate sessions are legal sessions, so that he can get recess appointments through. He has until 1159PM EST on 12/31/07 before that pocket veto comes into effect.</p>
<p>Last I checked, both the House and the Senate had to have a quorum (50% of membership) in order to conduct business. So could this mean that over the weekend, we could see 218 House members and 51 Senators come in to override Bush&#8217;s veto? After all, you only have to have 2/3 of the quorum to override a veto, not 2/3 of total membership of each House of Congress.</p>
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		<title>By: Curt</title>
		<link>http://www.floppingaces.net/2007/12/28/trial-lawyers-rear-their-ugly/#comment-10047</link>
		<dc:creator>Curt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Dec 2007 01:15:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;why didn&#039;t the White House, which was aware of the legislation&#039;s progress as it passed, say something sooner?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;a href=&quot;http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071228/ap_on_go_pr_wh/bush_15&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;They did&lt;/a&gt;:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Bush aides said they had signaled concern about the controversial provision for weeks, although there had been no formal veto threat. They said their concern grew urgent recently after a legal review and feedback from U.S. diplomats in Iraq and Iraqi leaders.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>why didn&#8217;t the White House, which was aware of the legislation&#8217;s progress as it passed, say something sooner?</p></blockquote>
<p><a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071228/ap_on_go_pr_wh/bush_15" rel="nofollow">They did</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>Bush aides said they had signaled concern about the controversial provision for weeks, although there had been no formal veto threat. They said their concern grew urgent recently after a legal review and feedback from U.S. diplomats in Iraq and Iraqi leaders.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: sashal</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Dec 2007 00:13:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let&#039;s see. Bypartisan bill.
If the provision of the bill was so offensive, why didn&#039;t the White House, which was aware of the legislation&#039;s progress as it passed, say something sooner?

As the AP noted, &quot;sovereign nations are normally immune from lawsuits in U.S. courts. An exception is made for state sponsors of terrorism and Iraq was designated such a nation in 1990. After the 2003 invasion of Iraq, however, Congress passed a law and Bush issued a decree stating that Iraq was exempt from such lawsuits.&quot;

So, what&#039;s the problem here?


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s see. Bypartisan bill.<br />
If the provision of the bill was so offensive, why didn&#8217;t the White House, which was aware of the legislation&#8217;s progress as it passed, say something sooner?</p>
<p>As the AP noted, &#8220;sovereign nations are normally immune from lawsuits in U.S. courts. An exception is made for state sponsors of terrorism and Iraq was designated such a nation in 1990. After the 2003 invasion of Iraq, however, Congress passed a law and Bush issued a decree stating that Iraq was exempt from such lawsuits.&#8221;</p>
<p>So, what&#8217;s the problem here?</p>
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		<title>By: jainphx</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Dec 2007 22:32:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lawyers! My goodness where would we be with out them. /
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lawyers! My goodness where would we be with out them. /</p>
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		<title>By: Scrapiron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scrapiron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Dec 2007 22:22:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Harry and Nancy (Terrorists party) are trying to get all of the lawsuits in Iraq transferred to American courts to payback/payoff their lawyer friends. That&#039;s a simple fact.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Harry and Nancy (Terrorists party) are trying to get all of the lawsuits in Iraq transferred to American courts to payback/payoff their lawyer friends. That&#8217;s a simple fact.</p>
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