Comments on: The New, Suddenly Correct, NIE on Iran http://www.floppingaces.net/2007/12/03/the-new-suddenly-correct-nie-o/ Sat, 21 Nov 2009 20:49:34 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: The Baltimore Reporter http://www.floppingaces.net/2007/12/03/the-new-suddenly-correct-nie-o/#comment-250287 The Baltimore Reporter Wed, 30 Sep 2009 04:12:46 +0000 http://www.floppingaces.net/2007/12/03/the-new-suddenly-correct-nie-on-iran/#comment-250287 [...] Schippert points out how this NYTimes article perpetuates the politically motivated 2007 NIE assessment fairy tale that Iran stopped its work on nuclear weapons designs in [...] [...] Schippert points out how this NYTimes article perpetuates the politically motivated 2007 NIE assessment fairy tale that Iran stopped its work on nuclear weapons designs in [...]

]]> By: Flopping Aces » Blog Archive » Behaving Like We Were Just Born Yesterday http://www.floppingaces.net/2007/12/03/the-new-suddenly-correct-nie-o/#comment-250235 Flopping Aces » Blog Archive » Behaving Like We Were Just Born Yesterday Tue, 29 Sep 2009 19:01:29 +0000 http://www.floppingaces.net/2007/12/03/the-new-suddenly-correct-nie-on-iran/#comment-250235 [...] Schippert points out how this NYTimes article perpetuates the politically motivated 2007 NIE assessment fairy tale that Iran stopped its work on nuclear weapons designs in [...] [...] Schippert points out how this NYTimes article perpetuates the politically motivated 2007 NIE assessment fairy tale that Iran stopped its work on nuclear weapons designs in [...]

]]> By: Flopping Aces » Blog Archive » McCain - Russian Invasion Of Georgia a “Wake-Up Call” http://www.floppingaces.net/2007/12/03/the-new-suddenly-correct-nie-o/#comment-105433 Flopping Aces » Blog Archive » McCain - Russian Invasion Of Georgia a “Wake-Up Call” Thu, 14 Aug 2008 14:54:17 +0000 http://www.floppingaces.net/2007/12/03/the-new-suddenly-correct-nie-on-iran/#comment-105433 [...] Because of the left in this country our future holds a Russian backed nuclear armed Iran whose aggression towards its neighbors will make this Russian invasion look like a Disneyland ride. Just today the VP of Iran said that Israel is the most hated word in the world. Does anyone really believe that leaders who say such things will not act aggressively once armed with nukes? Well, the liberals may, but look how wrong they were about Iraq. [...] [...] Because of the left in this country our future holds a Russian backed nuclear armed Iran whose aggression towards its neighbors will make this Russian invasion look like a Disneyland ride. Just today the VP of Iran said that Israel is the most hated word in the world. Does anyone really believe that leaders who say such things will not act aggressively once armed with nukes? Well, the liberals may, but look how wrong they were about Iraq. [...]

]]> By: BKelley http://www.floppingaces.net/2007/12/03/the-new-suddenly-correct-nie-o/#comment-9149 BKelley Mon, 24 Dec 2007 15:23:21 +0000 http://www.floppingaces.net/2007/12/03/the-new-suddenly-correct-nie-on-iran/#comment-9149 To some extent, I think the NIE report is outstanding news. Because as of now, there isn't any excuse to create another decade long, dog and pony show of Weapons Inspectors as we had in Iraq. Remember these guys? The same bunch who were kicked out of Iraq, kicking and screaming Hussein was hiding material and programs, yet when finally allowed back in after four years claim "WE THINK everything is gone but we need more time. So let's get the contracts and paperwork signed. We'll get back to work." Sure guys. We'll get those payroll checks rolling again. Just be sure to leave good notes to everyone for after you retire ON OUR DIME in ANOTHER TEN YEARS. So now, if we should have to take out Iran, say when the Iranians tell the Russians to pack sand when they request the used Uranium back, or better still, an actual nuke test or even a launch against Europe, there won't be a need to waste a year telegraphing our punch to the enemy by jerking around with the UN. We were told no weapons. So who is lying? Iran or the UN? Moreover, if an actual launch were to occur against Europe, why is it even our problem at that point? Europe doesn't want to see things for what they are and listen to us now. Since we will very likely be blamed for not stopping it anyhow, will there be any real sense of need to go to the aid of these ankle-biters? To some extent, I think the NIE report is outstanding news.
Because as of now, there isn’t any excuse to create another decade long, dog and pony show of Weapons Inspectors as we had in Iraq.

Remember these guys? The same bunch who were kicked out of Iraq, kicking and screaming Hussein was hiding material and programs, yet when finally allowed back in after four years claim “WE THINK everything is gone but we need more time. So let’s get the contracts and paperwork signed. We’ll get back to work.”

Sure guys. We’ll get those payroll checks rolling again. Just be sure to leave good notes to everyone for after you retire ON OUR DIME in ANOTHER TEN YEARS.

So now, if we should have to take out Iran, say when the Iranians tell the Russians to pack sand when they request the used Uranium back, or better still, an actual nuke test or even a launch against Europe, there won’t be a need to waste a year telegraphing our punch to the enemy by jerking around with the UN. We were told no weapons. So who is lying? Iran or the UN?

Moreover, if an actual launch were to occur against Europe, why is it even our problem at that point? Europe doesn’t want to see things for what they are and listen to us now. Since we will very likely be blamed for not stopping it anyhow, will there be any real sense of need to go to the aid of these ankle-biters?

]]> By: ChrisG http://www.floppingaces.net/2007/12/03/the-new-suddenly-correct-nie-o/#comment-9148 ChrisG Wed, 05 Dec 2007 16:19:48 +0000 http://www.floppingaces.net/2007/12/03/the-new-suddenly-correct-nie-on-iran/#comment-9148 bbartlog, Good points. There is more about WHO wrote the NIE and why the NIE and the whole intelligence headquarters is suspect. The fact the writers of the NIE are leftist partisan hacks openly hostile to US policy and friendly to those allied against the West should sent a collossal shiver through the Free World. It will not, however, because Brittiny is pregnant again and that will make "in depth coverage" news..... bbartlog,

Good points. There is more about WHO wrote the NIE and why the NIE and the whole intelligence headquarters is suspect.

The fact the writers of the NIE are leftist partisan hacks openly hostile to US policy and friendly to those allied against the West should sent a collossal shiver through the Free World.

It will not, however, because Brittiny is pregnant again and that will make “in depth coverage” news…..

]]> By: bbartlog http://www.floppingaces.net/2007/12/03/the-new-suddenly-correct-nie-o/#comment-9147 bbartlog Wed, 05 Dec 2007 15:55:16 +0000 http://www.floppingaces.net/2007/12/03/the-new-suddenly-correct-nie-on-iran/#comment-9147 If they're stilling running their centrifuges, they haven't stopped their program in any meaningful sense of the word. Producing the fissile material is the most critical and costly part of a nuclear weapon. Even if all other parts of a weapons program were on hold, continuing enrichment activities would still be putting them day by day closer to possession of a nuclear weapon (once you have enough weapons-grade U-235, the rest is almost an afterthought). And anyway, the uranium enrichment stuff is big and hard to hide; the other activities involved in making a Hiroshima-type bomb are largely things you could do in a medium-sized machine shop and therefore basically unverifiable. If they’re stilling running their centrifuges, they haven’t stopped their program in any meaningful sense of the word. Producing the fissile material is the most critical and costly part of a nuclear weapon. Even if all other parts of a weapons program were on hold, continuing enrichment activities would still be putting them day by day closer to possession of a nuclear weapon (once you have enough weapons-grade U-235, the rest is almost an afterthought). And anyway, the uranium enrichment stuff is big and hard to hide; the other activities involved in making a Hiroshima-type bomb are largely things you could do in a medium-sized machine shop and therefore basically unverifiable.

]]> By: Dave http://www.floppingaces.net/2007/12/03/the-new-suddenly-correct-nie-o/#comment-9146 Dave Tue, 04 Dec 2007 21:06:37 +0000 http://www.floppingaces.net/2007/12/03/the-new-suddenly-correct-nie-on-iran/#comment-9146 Perhaps the Iranian Foreign Minister and his President should get their story straight. Ahmadinejad has been relentless in hinting at the capabilities of Iran's nuclear program. Once again, they show themselves to be complete buffoons. By the way, when is the World Court going to try Ahmadinejad and his compatriots for their kidnapping and holding of American hostages in 1979? Perhaps the Iranian Foreign Minister and his President should get their story straight. Ahmadinejad has been relentless in hinting at the capabilities of Iran’s nuclear program. Once again, they show themselves to be complete buffoons.

By the way, when is the World Court going to try Ahmadinejad and his compatriots for their kidnapping and holding of American hostages in 1979?

]]> By: crazy http://www.floppingaces.net/2007/12/03/the-new-suddenly-correct-nie-o/#comment-9145 crazy Tue, 04 Dec 2007 19:27:04 +0000 http://www.floppingaces.net/2007/12/03/the-new-suddenly-correct-nie-on-iran/#comment-9145 If it took 4 yrs for the spooks to learn Iran stopped a covert program they denied existed how long will it take for them to identify the restart of this program? And if this analysis if based on Aug 07 reporting by a "reliable" source does anybody wonder if CIA's most important tea-sipper has been travelling again now that he and his wife have retired to New Mexico? If it took 4 yrs for the spooks to learn Iran stopped a covert program they denied existed how long will it take for them to identify the restart of this program? And if this analysis if based on Aug 07 reporting by a “reliable” source does anybody wonder if CIA’s most important tea-sipper has been travelling again now that he and his wife have retired to New Mexico?

]]> By: Gregory Dittman http://www.floppingaces.net/2007/12/03/the-new-suddenly-correct-nie-o/#comment-9144 Gregory Dittman Tue, 04 Dec 2007 19:03:50 +0000 http://www.floppingaces.net/2007/12/03/the-new-suddenly-correct-nie-on-iran/#comment-9144 India, Pakistan and North Korea all had to explose their bombs before the U.S. discovered those countries had nuclear weapons. It's probably not in their best interest to have nuclear weapons because the inside government stability isn't there and it's a culture that breeds suicide bombers (this time with an atomic weapon). They are probably imagining an Al Qaeda or other agent setting off the atomic bomb in Iran or a general decides to use the atomic weapons to stage a coup. India, Pakistan and North Korea all had to explose their bombs before the U.S. discovered those countries had nuclear weapons.

It’s probably not in their best interest to have nuclear weapons because the inside government stability isn’t there and it’s a culture that breeds suicide bombers (this time with an atomic weapon). They are probably imagining an Al Qaeda or other agent setting off the atomic bomb in Iran or a general decides to use the atomic weapons to stage a coup.

]]> By: Mike's America http://www.floppingaces.net/2007/12/03/the-new-suddenly-correct-nie-o/#comment-9143 Mike's America Tue, 04 Dec 2007 17:57:25 +0000 http://www.floppingaces.net/2007/12/03/the-new-suddenly-correct-nie-on-iran/#comment-9143 Thus spake the reincarnation of Neville Chamberlain. Thanks John Ryan! Thus spake the reincarnation of Neville Chamberlain.

Thanks John Ryan!

]]> By: John Ryan http://www.floppingaces.net/2007/12/03/the-new-suddenly-correct-nie-o/#comment-9142 John Ryan Tue, 04 Dec 2007 17:44:28 +0000 http://www.floppingaces.net/2007/12/03/the-new-suddenly-correct-nie-on-iran/#comment-9142 Many people are confused about exactly how powerful the office of President is in Iran. He has NO military powers, it is more like the Presidency of Israel. It seems that the reduction of WW III has disappointed many. As the Bush year winds down the Intelligence community is going to become increasingly more reluctant to base their reports on what an ever lamer duck President would like to hear. Most Americans are going to remember that the war mongering was unnecessary, yet some wished for another war. Many people are confused about exactly how powerful the office of President is in Iran.
He has NO military powers, it is more like the Presidency of Israel.
It seems that the reduction of WW III has disappointed many. As the Bush year winds down the Intelligence community is going to become increasingly more reluctant to base their reports on what an ever lamer duck President would like to hear. Most Americans are going to remember that the war mongering was unnecessary, yet some wished for another war.

]]> By: Mike's America http://www.floppingaces.net/2007/12/03/the-new-suddenly-correct-nie-o/#comment-9141 Mike's America Tue, 04 Dec 2007 16:53:11 +0000 http://www.floppingaces.net/2007/12/03/the-new-suddenly-correct-nie-on-iran/#comment-9141 Does anyone really think that Iran needs to develop a nuclear industry for electric generation? Surely the Iranians know they have the second largest reserves of natural gas in the world? <a href="http://www.eia.doe.gov/cabs/Iran/NaturalGas.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.eia.doe.gov/cabs/Iran/NaturalGas.html</a> And all they have to do to generate electricity is tap that supply and feed it into gas turbine generators. Much easier, cheaper and safer than nuclear power. Does anyone really think that Iran needs to develop a nuclear industry for electric generation?

Surely the Iranians know they have the second largest reserves of natural gas in the world?

http://www.eia.doe.gov/cabs/Iran/NaturalGas.html

And all they have to do to generate electricity is tap that supply and feed it into gas turbine generators. Much easier, cheaper and safer than nuclear power.

]]> By: ChrisG http://www.floppingaces.net/2007/12/03/the-new-suddenly-correct-nie-o/#comment-9140 ChrisG Tue, 04 Dec 2007 16:33:27 +0000 http://www.floppingaces.net/2007/12/03/the-new-suddenly-correct-nie-on-iran/#comment-9140 Thomnj, The words you are looking for is "Stategic Pause". Achmenejad has destroyed the Iranian economy and even plum oil exports to China cannot help him. Iran is out of money, temporarily. His people are growing more rebellious. His plans to stir up an Iraqi civil war failed. His military attacked the US Coalition forces and could only "win" when they surrounded a 15 man boat with 500 others in Iraqi waters. His airforce is a joke. His "superweapons" never pan out. His "elite" forces are being slughtered whenever they engage us in Iraq. And even the mullahs are wondering if they backed the wrong guy. That said, this is still a pause. If the US and the world blinks or shrinks away, Iran will gleefully resume research and production of nuclear weapons. Thomnj,
The words you are looking for is “Stategic Pause”. Achmenejad has destroyed the Iranian economy and even plum oil exports to China cannot help him. Iran is out of money, temporarily. His people are growing more rebellious. His plans to stir up an Iraqi civil war failed. His military attacked the US Coalition forces and could only “win” when they surrounded a 15 man boat with 500 others in Iraqi waters. His airforce is a joke. His “superweapons” never pan out. His “elite” forces are being slughtered whenever they engage us in Iraq. And even the mullahs are wondering if they backed the wrong guy.

That said, this is still a pause. If the US and the world blinks or shrinks away, Iran will gleefully resume research and production of nuclear weapons.

]]> By: Thomnj http://www.floppingaces.net/2007/12/03/the-new-suddenly-correct-nie-o/#comment-9139 Thomnj Tue, 04 Dec 2007 15:46:39 +0000 http://www.floppingaces.net/2007/12/03/the-new-suddenly-correct-nie-on-iran/#comment-9139 maybe - just maybe Iran has had to stop because of cost or a technical hurdle - BUT it is probably a temporary halt - it may only be a matter of cash flow and thus they are taking the opportunity to wait out our upcoming presidential election - they clearly have a program and threaten destruction; so just because it is "stopped" doesn't mean it is permanently so.... maybe – just maybe Iran has had to stop because of cost or a technical hurdle – BUT it is probably a temporary halt – it may only be a matter of cash flow and thus they are taking the opportunity to wait out our upcoming presidential election – they clearly have a program and threaten destruction; so just because it is “stopped” doesn’t mean it is permanently so….

]]> By: ChrisG http://www.floppingaces.net/2007/12/03/the-new-suddenly-correct-nie-o/#comment-9138 ChrisG Tue, 04 Dec 2007 15:21:01 +0000 http://www.floppingaces.net/2007/12/03/the-new-suddenly-correct-nie-on-iran/#comment-9138 Sorry... bad spelling... it is " Taqqiyah". Sorry… bad spelling… it is ” Taqqiyah”.

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