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		<title>By: Cal</title>
		<link>http://www.floppingaces.net/2007/11/15/more-ron-paul-nuttiness/#comment-15009</link>
		<dc:creator>Cal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 15:37:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Barter is still legal, last I checked. If both sides in a transaction agree to it, it's perfectly legal to use something other money to pay for goods or services.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Barter is still legal, last I checked. If both sides in a transaction agree to it, it&#8217;s perfectly legal to use something other money to pay for goods or services.</p>
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		<title>By: boogers</title>
		<link>http://www.floppingaces.net/2007/11/15/more-ron-paul-nuttiness/#comment-8462</link>
		<dc:creator>boogers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 06:10:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So if I don't put "United States" on something, I can use it as money if it will be taken. That's how I read the law.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So if I don&#8217;t put &#8220;United States&#8221; on something, I can use it as money if it will be taken. That&#8217;s how I read the law.</p>
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		<title>By: August</title>
		<link>http://www.floppingaces.net/2007/11/15/more-ron-paul-nuttiness/#comment-8461</link>
		<dc:creator>August</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2007 15:59:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now why are libhomo and a pst314 so obsessed with ridiculing Ron Paul supporters? I was waiting for some real arguments that made sense, but all I see is a misplaced French quotation. Guys, can't you offer any real arguments? Or are you afraid, Ron Paul will not let you feed at the public trough anymore?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now why are libhomo and a pst314 so obsessed with ridiculing Ron Paul supporters? I was waiting for some real arguments that made sense, but all I see is a misplaced French quotation. Guys, can&#8217;t you offer any real arguments? Or are you afraid, Ron Paul will not let you feed at the public trough anymore?</p>
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		<title>By: pst314</title>
		<link>http://www.floppingaces.net/2007/11/15/more-ron-paul-nuttiness/#comment-8460</link>
		<dc:creator>pst314</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Nov 2007 19:07:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Once upon time people would tour insane asylums for entertainment. Well, plus ca change, plus c'est la meme chose. Now we can post on our blogs and wait for the nutty Ron Paulians to show up. Very convenient: We don't have to leave home and we don't have to put up with the dirt and the smell.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Once upon time people would tour insane asylums for entertainment. Well, plus ca change, plus c&#8217;est la meme chose. Now we can post on our blogs and wait for the nutty Ron Paulians to show up. Very convenient: We don&#8217;t have to leave home and we don&#8217;t have to put up with the dirt and the smell.</p>
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		<title>By: libhomo</title>
		<link>http://www.floppingaces.net/2007/11/15/more-ron-paul-nuttiness/#comment-8459</link>
		<dc:creator>libhomo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Nov 2007 04:04:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Awww, and I thought I would be the first to design a Ron Paul parody coin.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Awww, and I thought I would be the first to design a Ron Paul parody coin.</p>
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		<title>By: bbartlog</title>
		<link>http://www.floppingaces.net/2007/11/15/more-ron-paul-nuttiness/#comment-8458</link>
		<dc:creator>bbartlog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2007 15:14:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Liberty Associate thing isn't a Ponzi scheme, just typical MLM crap - i.e. it's still sleazy, but it's stable; the people who get hosed are those who end up not being able to sign up associates, but since they were never guaranteed returns the whole thing doesn't have to collapse.

I do think that if they were only selling coins (even ones that were illegal) it would have made more sense to get a ruling against them first instead of starting of with a raid. But it sounds like they were also running a private bank, which makes the whole thing look even less kosher.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Liberty Associate thing isn&#8217;t a Ponzi scheme, just typical MLM crap - i.e. it&#8217;s still sleazy, but it&#8217;s stable; the people who get hosed are those who end up not being able to sign up associates, but since they were never guaranteed returns the whole thing doesn&#8217;t have to collapse.</p>
<p>I do think that if they were only selling coins (even ones that were illegal) it would have made more sense to get a ruling against them first instead of starting of with a raid. But it sounds like they were also running a private bank, which makes the whole thing look even less kosher.</p>
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		<title>By: fester</title>
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		<dc:creator>fester</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2007 12:23:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ron Paul aside, are these nutjobs fighting for this mint's right to decieve us?  I initially interpreted that as "this dollar replaces your US dollar", too.
... and that Liberty Associate thing reeks of Ponzi.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ron Paul aside, are these nutjobs fighting for this mint&#8217;s right to decieve us?  I initially interpreted that as &#8220;this dollar replaces your US dollar&#8221;, too.<br />
&#8230; and that Liberty Associate thing reeks of Ponzi.</p>
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		<title>By: Chad Rushing</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chad Rushing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2007 04:41:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The crux of this whole issue is that Liberty Dollar set up an alternate, private, monetary system (gold/silver coins, gold/silver certificates, and digital gold/silver certificates) that allowed private citizens to conduct monetary transactions which the government had no ability to monitor whatsoever.

A big part of the federal government monitoring all of us all of the time is their ability to monitor all of our major monetary (Federal Reserve Notes) transactions through the current banking system.  If I understand correctly, any cash deposit, inter-account transfer, or withdrawal over $10k raises a red flag to the government.

Most likely, some individuals started using private monetary systems such as Liberty Dollar or eGold (which I think was shut down by the feds a year or so ago) specifically to avoid federal monitoring, either for libertarian reasons or for crime-related monetary transfers, and the federal government was not too crazy about that.

That being the case, they shut the whole darn system down rather than pursue only the individuals who might have been involved in illegal money laundering.  And, I seriously doubt the FBI has any plans on providing compensation to those people who had invested heavily in liberty dollar certificates but have committed no crimes.

P.S. I always thought that it was foolishly flirting with danger for Liberty Dollar to put approximate FRN currency values on their products.  If doing so confused a single ignorant American, then the FBI can probably charge LD with willful counterfeiting.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The crux of this whole issue is that Liberty Dollar set up an alternate, private, monetary system (gold/silver coins, gold/silver certificates, and digital gold/silver certificates) that allowed private citizens to conduct monetary transactions which the government had no ability to monitor whatsoever.</p>
<p>A big part of the federal government monitoring all of us all of the time is their ability to monitor all of our major monetary (Federal Reserve Notes) transactions through the current banking system.  If I understand correctly, any cash deposit, inter-account transfer, or withdrawal over $10k raises a red flag to the government.</p>
<p>Most likely, some individuals started using private monetary systems such as Liberty Dollar or eGold (which I think was shut down by the feds a year or so ago) specifically to avoid federal monitoring, either for libertarian reasons or for crime-related monetary transfers, and the federal government was not too crazy about that.</p>
<p>That being the case, they shut the whole darn system down rather than pursue only the individuals who might have been involved in illegal money laundering.  And, I seriously doubt the FBI has any plans on providing compensation to those people who had invested heavily in liberty dollar certificates but have committed no crimes.</p>
<p>P.S. I always thought that it was foolishly flirting with danger for Liberty Dollar to put approximate FRN currency values on their products.  If doing so confused a single ignorant American, then the FBI can probably charge LD with willful counterfeiting.</p>
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		<title>By: JustADude</title>
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		<dc:creator>JustADude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2007 04:24:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wonder what the search warrant claims.

Not up enough on this area of the law to speculate.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wonder what the search warrant claims.</p>
<p>Not up enough on this area of the law to speculate.</p>
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		<title>By: Can do</title>
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		<dc:creator>Can do</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2007 03:50:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One other thing, if a group of folks wanted to use chewing gum..or even trade ( hmmmm... like maybe baseball cards ? ) &lt;b&gt;other &lt;/b&gt; things for money, they can if they want in a truly free society.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One other thing, if a group of folks wanted to use chewing gum..or even trade ( hmmmm&#8230; like maybe baseball cards ? ) <b>other </b> things for money, they can if they want in a truly free society.</p>
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		<title>By: Can do</title>
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		<dc:creator>Can do</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2007 03:43:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You put :

"Under the Constitution ( Article I, section 8, clause 5 ),"....and there is a problem...the link goes not to the actual Constitution, it goes to the US MINT ??

Wussup ?  Got a real link to support your claims ? Are you just against Ron Paul, or what exactly are you trying to prove by trying to say what the folks in Evansville have done something against the law ?

The world awaits your answer.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You put :</p>
<p>&#8220;Under the Constitution ( Article I, section 8, clause 5 ),&#8221;&#8230;.and there is a problem&#8230;the link goes not to the actual Constitution, it goes to the US MINT ??</p>
<p>Wussup ?  Got a real link to support your claims ? Are you just against Ron Paul, or what exactly are you trying to prove by trying to say what the folks in Evansville have done something against the law ?</p>
<p>The world awaits your answer.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike's America</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike's America</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2007 02:20:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Josh said:
&lt;blockquote&gt;You're character is weak and you are not a mature adult who gives back to society. You are the emotional equivalent of a child. Please refrain from writing until you mature enough to write something that gives back to society.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I've heard more sense coming from the &lt;a href="http://sean.gleeson.us/2004/11/27/new_mini_moonbat_fits_in_your_sidebar" rel="nofollow"&gt; Virtual Autorantic Moonbat&lt;/a&gt;

Is "Josh" The Ron Paul version of the Autorantic Moonbat?


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Josh said:</p>
<blockquote><p>You&#8217;re character is weak and you are not a mature adult who gives back to society. You are the emotional equivalent of a child. Please refrain from writing until you mature enough to write something that gives back to society.</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;ve heard more sense coming from the <a href="http://sean.gleeson.us/2004/11/27/new_mini_moonbat_fits_in_your_sidebar" rel="nofollow"> Virtual Autorantic Moonbat</a></p>
<p>Is &#8220;Josh&#8221; The Ron Paul version of the Autorantic Moonbat?</p>
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		<title>By: TanGeng</title>
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		<dc:creator>TanGeng</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2007 00:49:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nope, Curt you got it wrong.  Liberty dollar is definitely legal.  There were no taboo legal words used in the marketing of the Liberty Dollar.  You'll have to interpret the legislation in a more precise manner.  When you do, there's nothing wrong with the Liberty dollar.  The key is US Mint would have sued them into oblivion if they passed it off as legal tender.  Legal tender has to be accepted by anyone and everyone, and the Liberty Dollar does not claim to be legal tender.


Instead it looks like it was used as a medium of exchange by criminals.  The situation is probably similar to what befell E-Gold last year.  Online fraud groups were using E-Gold accounts to shuffle money after they ripped people off.  The difference between E-Gold and the Liberty dollar is that E-Gold is an internet currency and its transactions go through the E-Gold server.  The Liberty Dollar is instead specie and and paper receipts for specie.  Whereas E-Gold proprietor might be able to reign in control over its extra-legal transaction, the Liberty Dollar company cannot.  But that distinction might not matter to the federal government who seems to see both E-Gold and Liberty Dollar as complicit in fraud and money-laundering.  That's some hard luck.  They probably didn't do anything wrong but they did attracted some bad company.

By the way, you have some unhealthy animosity for some people are rather weakly connected to the Ron Paul campaign.    They're running a business.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nope, Curt you got it wrong.  Liberty dollar is definitely legal.  There were no taboo legal words used in the marketing of the Liberty Dollar.  You&#8217;ll have to interpret the legislation in a more precise manner.  When you do, there&#8217;s nothing wrong with the Liberty dollar.  The key is US Mint would have sued them into oblivion if they passed it off as legal tender.  Legal tender has to be accepted by anyone and everyone, and the Liberty Dollar does not claim to be legal tender.</p>
<p>Instead it looks like it was used as a medium of exchange by criminals.  The situation is probably similar to what befell E-Gold last year.  Online fraud groups were using E-Gold accounts to shuffle money after they ripped people off.  The difference between E-Gold and the Liberty dollar is that E-Gold is an internet currency and its transactions go through the E-Gold server.  The Liberty Dollar is instead specie and and paper receipts for specie.  Whereas E-Gold proprietor might be able to reign in control over its extra-legal transaction, the Liberty Dollar company cannot.  But that distinction might not matter to the federal government who seems to see both E-Gold and Liberty Dollar as complicit in fraud and money-laundering.  That&#8217;s some hard luck.  They probably didn&#8217;t do anything wrong but they did attracted some bad company.</p>
<p>By the way, you have some unhealthy animosity for some people are rather weakly connected to the Ron Paul campaign.    They&#8217;re running a business.</p>
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		<title>By: FZappa</title>
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		<dc:creator>FZappa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2007 00:43:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Curt,

"Real money" meaning it's backed by precious metals, don't confuse "real money" with "legal tender," which would mean that it MUST be accepted by law for any debt, like dollar bills.

Remember, Floppy: Google first, *then* blog.  Not the other way around.

laters

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Curt,</p>
<p>&#8220;Real money&#8221; meaning it&#8217;s backed by precious metals, don&#8217;t confuse &#8220;real money&#8221; with &#8220;legal tender,&#8221; which would mean that it MUST be accepted by law for any debt, like dollar bills.</p>
<p>Remember, Floppy: Google first, *then* blog.  Not the other way around.</p>
<p>laters</p>
<p>FZ</p>
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		<title>By: Casey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Casey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 23:12:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, it's such an outrage that there was this private &lt;a href="http://www.discoverburkecounty.com/Our%20History/our%20history%20-%20wnc%20gold%20rush%20master.htm" rel="nofollow"&gt;Bechtler mint&lt;/a&gt; in western North Carolina in the 1800's.  I don't understand how it could have been so successful before it was reportedly seized by the Confederates.  Some say it was their integrity.  Likely story. Counterfeiters!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, it&#8217;s such an outrage that there was this private <a href="http://www.discoverburkecounty.com/Our%20History/our%20history%20-%20wnc%20gold%20rush%20master.htm" rel="nofollow">Bechtler mint</a> in western North Carolina in the 1800&#8217;s.  I don&#8217;t understand how it could have been so successful before it was reportedly seized by the Confederates.  Some say it was their integrity.  Likely story. Counterfeiters!</p>
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