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		<title>By: To Waterboard Or Not To Waterboard?</title>
		<link>http://www.floppingaces.net/2007/11/07/when-why-to-use-waterboarding/#comment-267835</link>
		<dc:creator>To Waterboard Or Not To Waterboard?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Feb 2010 23:39:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I stated in my earlier post on this subject, this is a technique that should not be used for the run-of-the-mill badguy but if [...]</description>
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		<title>By: ahrscbg</title>
		<link>http://www.floppingaces.net/2007/11/07/when-why-to-use-waterboarding/#comment-8192</link>
		<dc:creator>ahrscbg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2007 11:21:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Curt</title>
		<link>http://www.floppingaces.net/2007/11/07/when-why-to-use-waterboarding/#comment-8191</link>
		<dc:creator>Curt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 19:25:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No where in my post did I say whether WB is torture or not.   My point was even if it IS torture in no way shape or form should the use of it be prevented in situations like the ones I described.

Got it?

Everyone else seemed to get it but not you....shocker.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No where in my post did I say whether WB is torture or not.   My point was even if it IS torture in no way shape or form should the use of it be prevented in situations like the ones I described.</p>
<p>Got it?</p>
<p>Everyone else seemed to get it but not you&#8230;.shocker.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben L.</title>
		<link>http://www.floppingaces.net/2007/11/07/when-why-to-use-waterboarding/#comment-8190</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben L.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 15:24:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re all off base.  Waterboarding isn&#039;t torture.  We don&#039;t torture and we use waterboarding, so that isn&#039;t torture.  Mukasey doesn&#039;t know if it&#039;s torture or not.  If it&#039;s torture, then it&#039;s illegal, but it&#039;s not so it isn&#039;t.  Only the big brains in government can know if we use it or if it&#039;s torture.  We punybrains can&#039;t be trusted with that information because the terrorists might find out and learn to resist our attempts to torture them, except it&#039;s not torture.

That&#039;s basically your case, right Curt?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re all off base.  Waterboarding isn&#8217;t torture.  We don&#8217;t torture and we use waterboarding, so that isn&#8217;t torture.  Mukasey doesn&#8217;t know if it&#8217;s torture or not.  If it&#8217;s torture, then it&#8217;s illegal, but it&#8217;s not so it isn&#8217;t.  Only the big brains in government can know if we use it or if it&#8217;s torture.  We punybrains can&#8217;t be trusted with that information because the terrorists might find out and learn to resist our attempts to torture them, except it&#8217;s not torture.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s basically your case, right Curt?</p>
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		<title>By: John  Ryan</title>
		<link>http://www.floppingaces.net/2007/11/07/when-why-to-use-waterboarding/#comment-8189</link>
		<dc:creator>John  Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 01:21:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Torture has proven to be highly effective at combatting witchcraft. Witches will confess when torture is correctly applied. They will also give up the names of other witches including the notoriously difficult to locate &quot;sleeper&quot; witches. Torture can  and should be used when authorities believe that witches are about to spring a satnic plot sometimes known as the &quot;ticking spell&quot; scenario.

When the North Vietnamese tortured McCain they realized that torture was really only effective in getting a confession, and that was all they expected.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Torture has proven to be highly effective at combatting witchcraft. Witches will confess when torture is correctly applied. They will also give up the names of other witches including the notoriously difficult to locate &#8220;sleeper&#8221; witches. Torture can  and should be used when authorities believe that witches are about to spring a satnic plot sometimes known as the &#8220;ticking spell&#8221; scenario.</p>
<p>When the North Vietnamese tortured McCain they realized that torture was really only effective in getting a confession, and that was all they expected.</p>
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		<title>By: Gregory Dittman</title>
		<link>http://www.floppingaces.net/2007/11/07/when-why-to-use-waterboarding/#comment-8188</link>
		<dc:creator>Gregory Dittman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2007 23:10:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s a tight use of asking for torture.  First it assumes that a person in the know is caught.  Then it assumes the person will tell the truth.  Then it assumes the case can be cracked in time.  Human intelligence is just not that good.  With enough suspects and time, it&#039;s possible to come up with examples where torture worked.

The Germans might have gotten intellegence through torture, but they tortured thousands of people at any one time, had thousands of soldiers to follow up on leads and this information wasn&#039;t used to stop specific attacks but the information was used to flush out some cells in an area the Germans occupied.  It sure didn&#039;t stop the French Resistance.

The Soviet Union, China and the Middle East all have tortured people to try and stop even &quot;minor&quot; corruption but corruption thrives in those areas (including the area occupied by the former Soviet Union).

It&#039;s just much easier to catch bragging terrorists talking on the phone or the internet, looking for their recruiters and fund raisers, shutting down their training camps and stopping the weapons supplies to them.  Even those tasks have been a problem for the intellegence community.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s a tight use of asking for torture.  First it assumes that a person in the know is caught.  Then it assumes the person will tell the truth.  Then it assumes the case can be cracked in time.  Human intelligence is just not that good.  With enough suspects and time, it&#8217;s possible to come up with examples where torture worked.</p>
<p>The Germans might have gotten intellegence through torture, but they tortured thousands of people at any one time, had thousands of soldiers to follow up on leads and this information wasn&#8217;t used to stop specific attacks but the information was used to flush out some cells in an area the Germans occupied.  It sure didn&#8217;t stop the French Resistance.</p>
<p>The Soviet Union, China and the Middle East all have tortured people to try and stop even &#8220;minor&#8221; corruption but corruption thrives in those areas (including the area occupied by the former Soviet Union).</p>
<p>It&#8217;s just much easier to catch bragging terrorists talking on the phone or the internet, looking for their recruiters and fund raisers, shutting down their training camps and stopping the weapons supplies to them.  Even those tasks have been a problem for the intellegence community.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike's America</title>
		<link>http://www.floppingaces.net/2007/11/07/when-why-to-use-waterboarding/#comment-8187</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike's America</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2007 19:51:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s right Tom: Senator Kennedy left Mary Jo Kopechne to drown in that car as the air slowly leaked out of the compartment in the back seat. Instead of summoning the policy from nearby houses, he returned to the scene of the drunken party where the other young girls were still entertaining his friends. None of them summoned the police. Instead, Kennedy went back to his hotel and went to bed.

Then, he used the power of his family&#039;s name and his dead brother Jack&#039;s memory to summon help. But not help for Mary Jo who had been found dead. He summoned the heavyweights of the Democrat Party to help save his career and keep him out of jail. He even went so far as to have Massachusetts state officials &quot;renew&quot; his driver&#039;s license which had expired.

For more, see:
&lt;a href=&quot;http://mikesamerica.blogspot.com/2007/09/senator-larry-craig-resigns.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://mikesamerica.blogspot.com/2007/09/senator-larry-craig-resigns.html&lt;/a&gt;

It&#039;s all old news of course. But then so are the Clinton scandals. And yet, we learn that when Democrats are held to a lower standard of accountability than they daily demand of everyone else, they are likely to repeat their crimes.

And in the Kennedy family we see that this pattern of privilege and being above the law has been passed down to the latest generation (ever heard of Patrick Kennedy?)

&lt;b&gt;Teddy&#039;s hypocrisy and total lack of accountability is absolutely relevant to this discussion!&lt;/b&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s right Tom: Senator Kennedy left Mary Jo Kopechne to drown in that car as the air slowly leaked out of the compartment in the back seat. Instead of summoning the policy from nearby houses, he returned to the scene of the drunken party where the other young girls were still entertaining his friends. None of them summoned the police. Instead, Kennedy went back to his hotel and went to bed.</p>
<p>Then, he used the power of his family&#8217;s name and his dead brother Jack&#8217;s memory to summon help. But not help for Mary Jo who had been found dead. He summoned the heavyweights of the Democrat Party to help save his career and keep him out of jail. He even went so far as to have Massachusetts state officials &#8220;renew&#8221; his driver&#8217;s license which had expired.</p>
<p>For more, see:<br />
<a href="http://mikesamerica.blogspot.com/2007/09/senator-larry-craig-resigns.html" rel="nofollow">http://mikesamerica.blogspot.com/2007/09/senator-larry-craig-resigns.html</a></p>
<p>It&#8217;s all old news of course. But then so are the Clinton scandals. And yet, we learn that when Democrats are held to a lower standard of accountability than they daily demand of everyone else, they are likely to repeat their crimes.</p>
<p>And in the Kennedy family we see that this pattern of privilege and being above the law has been passed down to the latest generation (ever heard of Patrick Kennedy?)</p>
<p><b>Teddy&#8217;s hypocrisy and total lack of accountability is absolutely relevant to this discussion!</b></p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2007 19:42:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The cartoon is in very poor taste. We live in the here and now - not 1969. The issue with Kennedy was litigated and dealt with. it is old news. but I guess if you have NOTHING to work with, why not beat a dead horse.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The cartoon is in very poor taste. We live in the here and now &#8211; not 1969. The issue with Kennedy was litigated and dealt with. it is old news. but I guess if you have NOTHING to work with, why not beat a dead horse.</p>
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		<title>By: Isabel Walcott Hilborn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Isabel Walcott Hilborn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2007 19:02:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Jennifer Garner and Geena Davis&lt;/strong&gt;

Anyone who is wondering whether waterboarding is torture should run out today and rent The Long Kiss Goodnight, a 1996 thriller and favorite B movie of mine starring Geena Davis and Samuel L. Jackson. It&#039;s got an interesting version of
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Jennifer Garner and Geena Davis</strong></p>
<p>Anyone who is wondering whether waterboarding is torture should run out today and rent The Long Kiss Goodnight, a 1996 thriller and favorite B movie of mine starring Geena Davis and Samuel L. Jackson. It&#8217;s got an interesting version of</p>
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