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	<title>Comments on: Who Should We Believe about &#8220;Radical&#8221; Islam:  MSA or the Imams?</title>
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		<title>By: ChrisG</title>
		<link>http://www.floppingaces.net/2007/10/24/who-should-we-believe-about-ra/#comment-7595</link>
		<dc:creator>ChrisG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Oct 2007 02:47:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very nicely done.  That would be a funny picture.... except for you and those who stand with you, the consequences are deadly.

Please stay safe and keep up your fight so that those of us who are not Islamic will never have to ask the question I posed above.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very nicely done.  That would be a funny picture&#8230;. except for you and those who stand with you, the consequences are deadly.</p>
<p>Please stay safe and keep up your fight so that those of us who are not Islamic will never have to ask the question I posed above.</p>
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		<title>By: Muslims Against Sharia</title>
		<link>http://www.floppingaces.net/2007/10/24/who-should-we-believe-about-ra/#comment-7594</link>
		<dc:creator>Muslims Against Sharia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Oct 2007 01:36:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ChrisG,

You are absolutely right. We even made a DHS-type table to reflect the threat level.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.reformislam.org/images/levels.gif&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.reformislam.org/images/levels.gif&lt;/a&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ChrisG,</p>
<p>You are absolutely right. We even made a DHS-type table to reflect the threat level.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.reformislam.org/images/levels.gif" rel="nofollow">http://www.reformislam.org/images/levels.gif</a></p>
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		<title>By: ChrisG</title>
		<link>http://www.floppingaces.net/2007/10/24/who-should-we-believe-about-ra/#comment-7593</link>
		<dc:creator>ChrisG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Oct 2007 01:24:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Muslims Against Sharia,

I have seen your posts on Jihad Watch and seen your website.  You are fighting an uphill battle against a very well armed, well funded, and fanatical foe: Militant Wahbahist Islam (on the Sunni side) and Maadi doom&#039;s day/end of days prophets (on the Shia side).  Mix into this several other jihad preaching, violent Imams and well, you have an uphill battle.

I have to laugh at the leftist (Blueduck) who posted on your site.  His ignorance bleeds through every word he types.  The left FULLY supports the above mentioned jihadists and ACTIVELY seeks to assist them.

Good luck and stay safe.  My experience in Iraq indicates these jihadists will gleefully kill &quot;apostates&quot; as enthusiastically as they kill &quot;kuffer&quot;.  I can only imagine the death threats and other insults you get from &quot;Muslim&quot; websites.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Muslims Against Sharia,</p>
<p>I have seen your posts on Jihad Watch and seen your website.  You are fighting an uphill battle against a very well armed, well funded, and fanatical foe: Militant Wahbahist Islam (on the Sunni side) and Maadi doom&#8217;s day/end of days prophets (on the Shia side).  Mix into this several other jihad preaching, violent Imams and well, you have an uphill battle.</p>
<p>I have to laugh at the leftist (Blueduck) who posted on your site.  His ignorance bleeds through every word he types.  The left FULLY supports the above mentioned jihadists and ACTIVELY seeks to assist them.</p>
<p>Good luck and stay safe.  My experience in Iraq indicates these jihadists will gleefully kill &#8220;apostates&#8221; as enthusiastically as they kill &#8220;kuffer&#8221;.  I can only imagine the death threats and other insults you get from &#8220;Muslim&#8221; websites.</p>
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		<title>By: Muslims Against Sharia</title>
		<link>http://www.floppingaces.net/2007/10/24/who-should-we-believe-about-ra/#comment-7592</link>
		<dc:creator>Muslims Against Sharia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Oct 2007 22:30:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Muslims Against Sharia congratulate David Horowitz FREEDOM CENTER and Mike Adams, Tammy Bruce, Phyllis Chesler, Ann Coulter, Nonie Darwish, Greg Davis, Stephen Gale, David Horowitz, Joe Kaufman, Michael Ledeen, Michael Medved, Alan Nathan, Cyrus Nowrasteh, Daphne Patai, Daniel Pipes, Dennis Prager, Luana Saghieh, Rick Santorum, Jonathan Schanzer, Christina Sommers, Robert Spencer, Brian Sussman, Ed Turzanski, Ibn Warraq and other speakers on the success of the Islamofascism Awareness Week.

Islamofascism (or Islamism) is the main threat facing modern civilization and ignorance about this threat is astounding. We hope that this event becomes regular and reaches every campus.

A great many Westerners do not see the clear distinction between Islam and Islamism (Islamofascism). They need to understand that the difference between Islam and Islamism (Islamofascism) is the same as the difference between Christianity and Christian Identity Movement (White Supremacy Movement).

&lt;a href=&quot;http://muslimsagainstsharia.blogspot.com/2007/10/islamofascism-awareness-week.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Original post&lt;/a&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Muslims Against Sharia congratulate David Horowitz FREEDOM CENTER and Mike Adams, Tammy Bruce, Phyllis Chesler, Ann Coulter, Nonie Darwish, Greg Davis, Stephen Gale, David Horowitz, Joe Kaufman, Michael Ledeen, Michael Medved, Alan Nathan, Cyrus Nowrasteh, Daphne Patai, Daniel Pipes, Dennis Prager, Luana Saghieh, Rick Santorum, Jonathan Schanzer, Christina Sommers, Robert Spencer, Brian Sussman, Ed Turzanski, Ibn Warraq and other speakers on the success of the Islamofascism Awareness Week.</p>
<p>Islamofascism (or Islamism) is the main threat facing modern civilization and ignorance about this threat is astounding. We hope that this event becomes regular and reaches every campus.</p>
<p>A great many Westerners do not see the clear distinction between Islam and Islamism (Islamofascism). They need to understand that the difference between Islam and Islamism (Islamofascism) is the same as the difference between Christianity and Christian Identity Movement (White Supremacy Movement).</p>
<p><a href="http://muslimsagainstsharia.blogspot.com/2007/10/islamofascism-awareness-week.html" rel="nofollow">Original post</a></p>
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		<title>By: suek</title>
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		<dc:creator>suek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Oct 2007 02:26:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anything that will destroy the country, the ACLU is _for_.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anything that will destroy the country, the ACLU is _for_.</p>
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		<title>By: ChrisG</title>
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		<dc:creator>ChrisG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 17:57:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Suek,

Read the article and agree.  I asked above where the ACLU was and your link pointed it out clearly.  The &quot;separation fo church and state&quot; ACLU is fully in bed with the islamofascists.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Suek,</p>
<p>Read the article and agree.  I asked above where the ACLU was and your link pointed it out clearly.  The &#8220;separation fo church and state&#8221; ACLU is fully in bed with the islamofascists.</p>
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		<title>By: suek</title>
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		<dc:creator>suek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 17:46:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We _are_ at war...both home and abroad.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=23020&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=23020&lt;/a&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We _are_ at war&#8230;both home and abroad.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=23020" rel="nofollow">http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=23020</a></p>
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		<title>By: Michael in MI</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael in MI</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 17:20:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s a great song, Chris.  I like Linkin Park as well and that song of theirs fits perfectly here.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s a great song, Chris.  I like Linkin Park as well and that song of theirs fits perfectly here.</p>
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		<title>By: ChrisG</title>
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		<dc:creator>ChrisG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 15:33:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Scott,

I was waiting to see who would get the BRM references.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scott,</p>
<p>I was waiting to see who would get the BRM references.</p>
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		<title>By: ChrisG</title>
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		<dc:creator>ChrisG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 15:18:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok... My home computer tries to use Type Key for posts so I show up as blank.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok&#8230; My home computer tries to use Type Key for posts so I show up as blank.</p>
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		<title>By: ChrisG</title>
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		<dc:creator>ChrisG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 12:45:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael,

You give me far too much credit.  I yell and scream from the top of the mountain and like the Linkin Park song: &quot;Tried to give you warning but everyone ignores me. Told you everything loud and clear but nobody&#039;s listening&quot;.

Sorry, I like that song.  It should be the anthem of those who are trying to expose what Islamic &quot;radicals&quot; are actually doing and the reaction we get.

Amy and Wordsmith have different views on this but I actually had the same view going into Iraq.  The &quot;moderates&quot; I worked with there are really nice people who do want real (Western style) peace and want us all to come back and visit as tourists.  The problem is that those sentiments are NOT what a very powerful near majority of &quot;Muslims&quot; want.  These Muslims are backed up by a lot of financing and firepower.

The bottom line is that the &quot;moderates&quot; have to come together and crush the &quot;radicals&quot;.  Then these moderates have to radically change Islam so that it adheres to the more passive chapters of the Koran and moves into the present.

I used &quot;Muslims&quot; in quotes because Muslim is a title given within Islam to people who are devout.  So, it begs the question above.  Who are &quot;Muslim&quot;, the &quot;moderates&quot; or the &quot;radicals&quot;.

Curt,

The link says it all, though I doubt Kos, DU, or any one the left read Newsmax.

&quot;What we have is a failure to communicate&quot;... the meaning of terms.

One term is &quot;Peace&quot;:  What is &quot;peace&quot; in Islam is NOT &quot;peace&quot; by western standards, it is submission and slavery.  I for one do not wish to submit.

&quot;People who are not prepared to resist and are eager to submit, hate others who do not want to submit and are prepared to fight. They hate them because they are afraid that the latter will endanger their lives as well. In their view everyone must submit.&quot;

It amazes me that the fire-breathing leftists radicals who are sooooo &quot;brave&quot; to attack military recruiters, Christians, Jews, and anyone who rejects socialism are COWARDS when faced with an opponent (Islam) that simply beheads them when they protest.  Jews, Christians, Conservatives, and the US Military will not round them up and slaughter them.  If MSA was honest, they would tell the left exactly how Islamofascists will kill them.

It is not like this is difficult to research.  All one needs to do is go to Palistine Media Watch, MEM-RI and MEM-RITV, Jihad Watch, and a multitude of other websites to find out.  Also, picking up a book written before the left&#039;s historical revision about the Crusades will be very enlightening.  The Crusades did not start until Islam had slaughtered and pillaged its way from Christian Iraq, Lebanon, Syria, North Africa, Hungary, Spain, etc all the way up to Vienna, Tours (France), and Vatican City.

It was not until the Battle of Tours that forces under Charles Martel halted the advance.  The West has forgotten its history and replaced it with lies and self hate.  Islam remembers the Battle of Tours (ended Oct 10th, 732AD).  Islam remembers dates and uses the Gregorian calender to mark them.  Islamofascists use these dates to plan reprisal attacks.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ccds.charlotte.nc.us/History/Europe/05/culp/index.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.ccds.charlotte.nc.us/History/Europe/05/culp/index.html&lt;/a&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael,</p>
<p>You give me far too much credit.  I yell and scream from the top of the mountain and like the Linkin Park song: &#8220;Tried to give you warning but everyone ignores me. Told you everything loud and clear but nobody&#8217;s listening&#8221;.</p>
<p>Sorry, I like that song.  It should be the anthem of those who are trying to expose what Islamic &#8220;radicals&#8221; are actually doing and the reaction we get.</p>
<p>Amy and Wordsmith have different views on this but I actually had the same view going into Iraq.  The &#8220;moderates&#8221; I worked with there are really nice people who do want real (Western style) peace and want us all to come back and visit as tourists.  The problem is that those sentiments are NOT what a very powerful near majority of &#8220;Muslims&#8221; want.  These Muslims are backed up by a lot of financing and firepower.</p>
<p>The bottom line is that the &#8220;moderates&#8221; have to come together and crush the &#8220;radicals&#8221;.  Then these moderates have to radically change Islam so that it adheres to the more passive chapters of the Koran and moves into the present.</p>
<p>I used &#8220;Muslims&#8221; in quotes because Muslim is a title given within Islam to people who are devout.  So, it begs the question above.  Who are &#8220;Muslim&#8221;, the &#8220;moderates&#8221; or the &#8220;radicals&#8221;.</p>
<p>Curt,</p>
<p>The link says it all, though I doubt Kos, DU, or any one the left read Newsmax.</p>
<p>&#8220;What we have is a failure to communicate&#8221;&#8230; the meaning of terms.</p>
<p>One term is &#8220;Peace&#8221;:  What is &#8220;peace&#8221; in Islam is NOT &#8220;peace&#8221; by western standards, it is submission and slavery.  I for one do not wish to submit.</p>
<p>&#8220;People who are not prepared to resist and are eager to submit, hate others who do not want to submit and are prepared to fight. They hate them because they are afraid that the latter will endanger their lives as well. In their view everyone must submit.&#8221;</p>
<p>It amazes me that the fire-breathing leftists radicals who are sooooo &#8220;brave&#8221; to attack military recruiters, Christians, Jews, and anyone who rejects socialism are COWARDS when faced with an opponent (Islam) that simply beheads them when they protest.  Jews, Christians, Conservatives, and the US Military will not round them up and slaughter them.  If MSA was honest, they would tell the left exactly how Islamofascists will kill them.</p>
<p>It is not like this is difficult to research.  All one needs to do is go to Palistine Media Watch, MEM-RI and MEM-RITV, Jihad Watch, and a multitude of other websites to find out.  Also, picking up a book written before the left&#8217;s historical revision about the Crusades will be very enlightening.  The Crusades did not start until Islam had slaughtered and pillaged its way from Christian Iraq, Lebanon, Syria, North Africa, Hungary, Spain, etc all the way up to Vienna, Tours (France), and Vatican City.</p>
<p>It was not until the Battle of Tours that forces under Charles Martel halted the advance.  The West has forgotten its history and replaced it with lies and self hate.  Islam remembers the Battle of Tours (ended Oct 10th, 732AD).  Islam remembers dates and uses the Gregorian calender to mark them.  Islamofascists use these dates to plan reprisal attacks.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.ccds.charlotte.nc.us/History/Europe/05/culp/index.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.ccds.charlotte.nc.us/History/Europe/05/culp/index.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: MIchael in MI</title>
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		<dc:creator>MIchael in MI</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 05:14:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, Curt, that warning to the West was given in &lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;2002&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;!  We are now in 2007 and that warning was obviously unheeded.  It is absolutely pathetic that we are 6 years removed from Islamic Totalitarianism reaching the shores of the United States and we have seen for the past 6 years the expansion of Islamic Totalitarianism in Britain/London, France and all over Europe and yet, still, people seem to not want to discuss the fact that the problem is Islam.

I understand that David Horowitz did not get very good reviews from his speech the other day at the Islamofascism Awareness Week presentations.  I cannot say that I blame him for being discourteous and agressive and frustrated, as I feel the same way.  There are times when talking to people about this topic that I just want to reply to them in the same way that he did at his speech with &quot;Are you an effin idiot?  How effin ignorant can you be?  Have you been paying attention at ALL?  Have you done ANY research into Islam?&quot;  And I know that doesn&#039;t help get the message across, but it is how I feel these days.

It is extremely frustrating.  Which is why I am so glad to read this post by Chris.  He addresses this issue much more eloquently than me and I am very grateful we have people such as him who can present the matter in this manner.

I just hope people will wake up and understand the issue as he presents it here and as it was presented in that 2002 article to which you linked.  Unfortunately, I don&#039;t see that happening.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, Curt, that warning to the West was given in <b><i>2002</i></b>!  We are now in 2007 and that warning was obviously unheeded.  It is absolutely pathetic that we are 6 years removed from Islamic Totalitarianism reaching the shores of the United States and we have seen for the past 6 years the expansion of Islamic Totalitarianism in Britain/London, France and all over Europe and yet, still, people seem to not want to discuss the fact that the problem is Islam.</p>
<p>I understand that David Horowitz did not get very good reviews from his speech the other day at the Islamofascism Awareness Week presentations.  I cannot say that I blame him for being discourteous and agressive and frustrated, as I feel the same way.  There are times when talking to people about this topic that I just want to reply to them in the same way that he did at his speech with &#8220;Are you an effin idiot?  How effin ignorant can you be?  Have you been paying attention at ALL?  Have you done ANY research into Islam?&#8221;  And I know that doesn&#8217;t help get the message across, but it is how I feel these days.</p>
<p>It is extremely frustrating.  Which is why I am so glad to read this post by Chris.  He addresses this issue much more eloquently than me and I am very grateful we have people such as him who can present the matter in this manner.</p>
<p>I just hope people will wake up and understand the issue as he presents it here and as it was presented in that 2002 article to which you linked.  Unfortunately, I don&#8217;t see that happening.</p>
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		<title>By: Curt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Curt</dc:creator>
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		<description>I knew my patience and constant badgering would get results =).

A most excellent post Chris on a subject you definitely know a lot about.

Btw, I found &lt;a href=&quot;http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2002/6/19/144341.shtml&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this link&lt;/a&gt; at FR.  Quite relevant.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I knew my patience and constant badgering would get results =).</p>
<p>A most excellent post Chris on a subject you definitely know a lot about.</p>
<p>Btw, I found <a href="http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2002/6/19/144341.shtml" rel="nofollow">this link</a> at FR.  Quite relevant.</p>
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		<title>By: MIchael in MI</title>
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		<dc:creator>MIchael in MI</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 03:30:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, I should add that something that irritates me is the fact that in addition to all the Islamic jihadist inspired nuts we have running around committing &quot;Sudden Jihad Syndrome&quot; (DC snipers, the nut in the Dearborn park, etc), we have the mass media and the local and national governments doing everything they can to either cover up the news (as the local media and mayor of Dearborn did here) or spin it furiously as having nothing to do with Islam.  It is criminal the lengths people go to in order to cover for these Islamic based happenings.  I bet 90% of the nation has no idea that the D.C. snipers were inspired by Islam.  And I read that the local media went out of their way to cover up the fact that the head sniper had an Islamic name and used his previous name in the reporting when they were still on the loose.

What this tells me is that no one is serious about addressing the core problems with Islam itself.  Not addressing it will not make it go away.

Also, the lack of reporting and coverup was evident with the France intifada that happened last year and now this year with the Dutch intifada.  Those stories were HUGE news stories that should have been broadcasted around the world and Islamic leaders should have been peppered with media attention just as the Catholic Chuch was peppered with media attention after the pedophile priest scandal.  But the double standard is obvious.  And enraging.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, I should add that something that irritates me is the fact that in addition to all the Islamic jihadist inspired nuts we have running around committing &#8220;Sudden Jihad Syndrome&#8221; (DC snipers, the nut in the Dearborn park, etc), we have the mass media and the local and national governments doing everything they can to either cover up the news (as the local media and mayor of Dearborn did here) or spin it furiously as having nothing to do with Islam.  It is criminal the lengths people go to in order to cover for these Islamic based happenings.  I bet 90% of the nation has no idea that the D.C. snipers were inspired by Islam.  And I read that the local media went out of their way to cover up the fact that the head sniper had an Islamic name and used his previous name in the reporting when they were still on the loose.</p>
<p>What this tells me is that no one is serious about addressing the core problems with Islam itself.  Not addressing it will not make it go away.</p>
<p>Also, the lack of reporting and coverup was evident with the France intifada that happened last year and now this year with the Dutch intifada.  Those stories were HUGE news stories that should have been broadcasted around the world and Islamic leaders should have been peppered with media attention just as the Catholic Chuch was peppered with media attention after the pedophile priest scandal.  But the double standard is obvious.  And enraging.</p>
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		<title>By: MIchael in MI</title>
		<link>http://www.floppingaces.net/2007/10/24/who-should-we-believe-about-ra/#comment-7581</link>
		<dc:creator>MIchael in MI</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 03:22:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Absolutely excellent post, ChrisG.  Absolutely excellent.  I am passing this around to everyone on my e-mail list tomorrow.  You hit on all the major points that I can never seem to present as eloquently as you do when I am trying to debate people on this topic.

Also, I live in Garden City (suburb of Detroit) and work in Dearborn (the heart of Hezb&#039;Allah support).  That park was very close to where I work.  You combine that nut with the D.C. snipers who were also inspired by Islamic jihadist teachings and the many, many instances of &quot;Sudden Jihad Syndrome&quot; and this is a HUGE problem.  I get tired of reading all the apologists for Islam and people trotting out all the &quot;moderate&quot; Muslims claiming that there are no problems in Islam and yadda yadda yadda.

As you properly note here...
&lt;blockquote&gt;Islam, as I have said before, is far more than just the impossibly self-contradictory Koran. There is also the Sunnah (the &quot;Way&quot; of the Prophet Muhammad), the Sira (&quot;life&quot; of the Prophet), Haddith (&quot;reports&quot; about Muhammad&#039;s life as relayed by Imams). Out of this comes Sharia law and the rules of Islamic governance. It is within all of these that Islam&#039;s true nature takes form. It is here that we learn Ã¢â‚¬Å“PeaceÃ¢â‚¬Â means Ã¢â‚¬Å“full submission/surrenderÃ¢â‚¬Â. So when Bin Laden and IranÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s mad mullahs call for the West to Ã¢â‚¬Å“make peaceÃ¢â‚¬Â with Islam, understand that they, and EVERY Islamic leader before them mean the West must surrender. This has not changed since IslamÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s first military expansion into Africa, Asia, and Europe in 622AD. &lt;b&gt;Islam is unchanging. It is frozen in MuhammadÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s time. This is by their own laws and interpretations by &quot;mujtahdin&quot;(Islamic Scholars: No new ones recognized since 855 AD). It has 1400 years of Islamic Jurisprudence to back that up. The only &quot;hijackers&quot; of Islam are the moderates who just want to live in peace and watch Western TV.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
...what the apologists keep claiming is &#039;radical&#039; Islam is actually just plain old Islam.  It has been this way from the beginning and the terrorists are on solid ground, while it is the moderates who are not on solid ground in their interpretations.

I want to read through this again as it is excellent.  I also look forward to see what Wordsmith and Amy Proctor may have to say, because it is pretty obvious to me that they do not share your (and my) views on this issue.

Again, absolutely excellent post.  I am very glad Curt encouraged you to post this.  Just another great post in a long tradition of great research and reporting here at Flopping Aces.  Why you all are not more mainstream in the blogosphere and milblogosphere, I don&#039;t know.  But I am doing my best to spread the word about your great work.  Keep it up, gentlemen.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Absolutely excellent post, ChrisG.  Absolutely excellent.  I am passing this around to everyone on my e-mail list tomorrow.  You hit on all the major points that I can never seem to present as eloquently as you do when I am trying to debate people on this topic.</p>
<p>Also, I live in Garden City (suburb of Detroit) and work in Dearborn (the heart of Hezb&#8217;Allah support).  That park was very close to where I work.  You combine that nut with the D.C. snipers who were also inspired by Islamic jihadist teachings and the many, many instances of &#8220;Sudden Jihad Syndrome&#8221; and this is a HUGE problem.  I get tired of reading all the apologists for Islam and people trotting out all the &#8220;moderate&#8221; Muslims claiming that there are no problems in Islam and yadda yadda yadda.</p>
<p>As you properly note here&#8230;</p>
<blockquote><p>Islam, as I have said before, is far more than just the impossibly self-contradictory Koran. There is also the Sunnah (the &#8220;Way&#8221; of the Prophet Muhammad), the Sira (&#8221;life&#8221; of the Prophet), Haddith (&#8221;reports&#8221; about Muhammad&#8217;s life as relayed by Imams). Out of this comes Sharia law and the rules of Islamic governance. It is within all of these that Islam&#8217;s true nature takes form. It is here that we learn Ã¢â‚¬Å“PeaceÃ¢â‚¬Â means Ã¢â‚¬Å“full submission/surrenderÃ¢â‚¬Â. So when Bin Laden and IranÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s mad mullahs call for the West to Ã¢â‚¬Å“make peaceÃ¢â‚¬Â with Islam, understand that they, and EVERY Islamic leader before them mean the West must surrender. This has not changed since IslamÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s first military expansion into Africa, Asia, and Europe in 622AD. <b>Islam is unchanging. It is frozen in MuhammadÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s time. This is by their own laws and interpretations by &#8220;mujtahdin&#8221;(Islamic Scholars: No new ones recognized since 855 AD). It has 1400 years of Islamic Jurisprudence to back that up. The only &#8220;hijackers&#8221; of Islam are the moderates who just want to live in peace and watch Western TV.</b></p></blockquote>
<p>&#8230;what the apologists keep claiming is &#8216;radical&#8217; Islam is actually just plain old Islam.  It has been this way from the beginning and the terrorists are on solid ground, while it is the moderates who are not on solid ground in their interpretations.</p>
<p>I want to read through this again as it is excellent.  I also look forward to see what Wordsmith and Amy Proctor may have to say, because it is pretty obvious to me that they do not share your (and my) views on this issue.</p>
<p>Again, absolutely excellent post.  I am very glad Curt encouraged you to post this.  Just another great post in a long tradition of great research and reporting here at Flopping Aces.  Why you all are not more mainstream in the blogosphere and milblogosphere, I don&#8217;t know.  But I am doing my best to spread the word about your great work.  Keep it up, gentlemen.</p>
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