Comments on: An Argument Against HillaryCare http://www.floppingaces.net/2007/10/14/an-argument-against-hillarycar/ Fri, 21 Nov 2008 23:10:52 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.3 By: SlimGuy http://www.floppingaces.net/2007/10/14/an-argument-against-hillarycar/#comment-7346 SlimGuy Mon, 15 Oct 2007 20:49:43 +0000 http://www.floppingaces.net/2007/10/14/an-argument-against-hillarycare/#comment-7346 It also looks like according to them they are going to drag the Frost kid out for a dog and pony show on CountDown tonight. It also looks like according to them they are going to drag the Frost kid out for a dog and pony show on CountDown tonight.

]]> By: SlimGuy http://www.floppingaces.net/2007/10/14/an-argument-against-hillarycar/#comment-7345 SlimGuy Mon, 15 Oct 2007 20:48:34 +0000 http://www.floppingaces.net/2007/10/14/an-argument-against-hillarycare/#comment-7345 HuffPo, Firedoglake and ThinkProgress and Kos are in a full court press calling out their readers to flood the phone lines of their target lawmakers to force the issue of the vote on Thursday. HuffPo, Firedoglake and ThinkProgress and Kos are in a full court press calling out their readers to flood the phone lines of their target lawmakers to force the issue of the vote on Thursday.

]]> By: SlimGuy http://www.floppingaces.net/2007/10/14/an-argument-against-hillarycar/#comment-7344 SlimGuy Mon, 15 Oct 2007 20:38:31 +0000 http://www.floppingaces.net/2007/10/14/an-argument-against-hillarycare/#comment-7344 Via the Swamp today The march of the children on the health care veto by Matthew Brown And the kids keep coming. First, there were Graeme and Gemma Frost, the Baltimore children who were hospitalized for months after a 2004 car crash, but who have been seen more recently in the company of House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid. Then came Abby, Josh, Latoya and Kevin, all "vetoed" by President Bush, according to a television advertisement produced this month by liberal groups. Now meet Bethany Wilkerson, the latest youngster enlisted by congressional Democrats or their allies to help build support for the State Children’s Health Insurance Program. Having suffered from heart failure as an infant, USAction says, the Florida toddler would not be alive today but for the government-funded program for moderate-income families not poor enough to qualifty for Medicaid. Now Bethany is scheduled to speak at a Capitol Hill rally Tuesday evening, according to a release this morning by Americans United For Change. There was no word on what the 2-year-old plans to say. But she joins a flurry of 11th-hour activity in advance of the attempt by House Democrats on Thursday to override Bush’s veto of legislation to expand coverage to 4 million more children at a cost of $35 billion over five years. (A bipartisan majority in the Senate approved the expansion by a veto-proof margin.) Via the Swamp today

The march of the children on the health care veto

by Matthew Brown

And the kids keep coming.

First, there were Graeme and Gemma Frost, the Baltimore children who were hospitalized for months after a 2004 car crash, but who have been seen more recently in the company of House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid.

Then came Abby, Josh, Latoya and Kevin, all “vetoed” by President Bush, according to a television advertisement produced this month by liberal groups.

Now meet Bethany Wilkerson, the latest youngster enlisted by congressional Democrats or their allies to help build support for the State Children’s Health Insurance Program. Having suffered from heart failure as an infant, USAction says, the Florida toddler would not be alive today but for the government-funded program for moderate-income families not poor enough to qualifty for Medicaid.

Now Bethany is scheduled to speak at a Capitol Hill rally Tuesday evening, according to a release this morning by Americans United For Change.

There was no word on what the 2-year-old plans to say. But she joins a flurry of 11th-hour activity in advance of the attempt by House Democrats on Thursday to override Bush’s veto of legislation to expand coverage to 4 million more children at a cost of $35 billion over five years. (A bipartisan majority in the Senate approved the expansion by a veto-proof margin.)

]]> By: Gregory Dittman http://www.floppingaces.net/2007/10/14/an-argument-against-hillarycar/#comment-7343 Gregory Dittman Mon, 15 Oct 2007 09:05:26 +0000 http://www.floppingaces.net/2007/10/14/an-argument-against-hillarycare/#comment-7343 Lots of bureaucracy means one thing. Somebody does not want to give out the money. Why not? Because the military already spends $400 billion a year and Gates has already said even more would have to be spent to buy more equipment and the right equipment (something supposedly past administrations failed to do). Of course Congress members try to support local weapons contractors with sometimes bogus reasoning such as wanting a stealth destroyer for the navy to sneak up on the terrorists and save American lives (something supposedly even the most worthless system is able to do) in the process or ordering a fleet of C-130s the airforce didn't even want (and later gave to the national guard). Something has to be cut and the system used lots of bureaucracy to keep people from wanting to get the money that was promised. If the government did want to stress test the system to make it work better, they could have done it when the troops were fighting in WWII, Korea and Vietnam. The reason why Congress doesn't really care is that weapons contractors provide more money and possibly more votes than the heavly wounded vetrans. This will be used with Hillarycare, because everyone knows that the government will be unable to pay for everyone and either cut corners or fill out so much paperwork the patient dies or gives up before the patient can get help. Lots of bureaucracy means one thing. Somebody does not want to give out the money. Why not? Because the military already spends $400 billion a year and Gates has already said even more would have to be spent to buy more equipment and the right equipment (something supposedly past administrations failed to do). Of course Congress members try to support local weapons contractors with sometimes bogus reasoning such as wanting a stealth destroyer for the navy to sneak up on the terrorists and save American lives (something supposedly even the most worthless system is able to do) in the process or ordering a fleet of C-130s the airforce didn’t even want (and later gave to the national guard). Something has to be cut and the system used lots of bureaucracy to keep people from wanting to get the money that was promised.

If the government did want to stress test the system to make it work better, they could have done it when the troops were fighting in WWII, Korea and Vietnam. The reason why Congress doesn’t really care is that weapons contractors provide more money and possibly more votes than the heavly wounded vetrans. This will be used with Hillarycare, because everyone knows that the government will be unable to pay for everyone and either cut corners or fill out so much paperwork the patient dies or gives up before the patient can get help.

]]> By: The Democratic Daily http://www.floppingaces.net/2007/10/14/an-argument-against-hillarycar/#comment-7347 The Democratic Daily Mon, 15 Oct 2007 07:39:06 +0000 http://www.floppingaces.net/2007/10/14/an-argument-against-hillarycare/#comment-7347 <strong>Partisanship Gone Crazy</strong> Maybe it’s just me, but I sick and tired of the partisanship gone crazy that has infested this country and shows itself at it’s lowest levels on any given day of late in the blogosphere and in the opinion pages of what some call our news m... Partisanship Gone Crazy

Maybe it’s just me, but I sick and tired of the partisanship gone crazy that has infested this country and shows itself at it’s lowest levels on any given day of late in the blogosphere and in the opinion pages of what some call our news m…

]]> By: Skye http://www.floppingaces.net/2007/10/14/an-argument-against-hillarycar/#comment-7342 Skye Mon, 15 Oct 2007 03:24:09 +0000 http://www.floppingaces.net/2007/10/14/an-argument-against-hillarycare/#comment-7342 JPE has a point...sort of...we all can make this layer of bureaucracy go away come November 2008. JPE has a point…sort of…we all can make this layer of bureaucracy go away come November 2008.

]]> By: pagar http://www.floppingaces.net/2007/10/14/an-argument-against-hillarycar/#comment-7341 pagar Mon, 15 Oct 2007 02:13:26 +0000 http://www.floppingaces.net/2007/10/14/an-argument-against-hillarycare/#comment-7341 I think the Americans that have to deal with the Democrat leaders are the ones who really need shots. Rabies could be a real possibility. I think the Americans that have to deal with the Democrat leaders are the ones who really need shots. Rabies could be a real possibility.

]]> By: scrapiron http://www.floppingaces.net/2007/10/14/an-argument-against-hillarycar/#comment-7340 scrapiron Mon, 15 Oct 2007 01:13:48 +0000 http://www.floppingaces.net/2007/10/14/an-argument-against-hillarycare/#comment-7340 As a disabled vet I will testify that it is hard to get the benefits you earned. However it is a lot easier now than it was during the Slick Willie regime. They even dropped me from the system in the 90's because I wasn't riding the system. A lot of Vietnam vets that had been fighting the system for years have got their benfits since 2001 and there's been, what, a tripling of the funds available to VA patients by the Bush administration? The VA hospitals are crowded, not by new patients, but by patients that have returned to the system since it became possible to access the earned benefits. Rant and rave and say it isn't so but I can identify several vets, some from the Korean war, that are now getting medical care and cash benefits that were refused prior to 2001. I have to apologize to some of the democrats I have called retarded. The democrat leadership of congress have clearified it for me. Democrats aren't all retarded, all of those under 25 have the mind of a child and are qualified for child medical benefits according to every dimwit on the talk show circuit today. Sorry to have ran down a bunch of mindless democrat, developmentally disabled, children in adult bodies. Hope that clears it up. I'm also happy the dimwits from congress that visited NASCAR the past two weeks got all of their shots. Wouldn't want them spreading their illnesses (mental) throughout the large crowds. Now tell me these people aren't crazy. As a disabled vet I will testify that it is hard to get the benefits you earned. However it is a lot easier now than it was during the Slick Willie regime. They even dropped me from the system in the 90’s because I wasn’t riding the system. A lot of Vietnam vets that had been fighting the system for years have got their benfits since 2001 and there’s been, what, a tripling of the funds available to VA patients by the Bush administration? The VA hospitals are crowded, not by new patients, but by patients that have returned to the system since it became possible to access the earned benefits. Rant and rave and say it isn’t so but I can identify several vets, some from the Korean war, that are now getting medical care and cash benefits that were refused prior to 2001.
I have to apologize to some of the democrats I have called retarded. The democrat leadership of congress have clearified it for me. Democrats aren’t all retarded, all of those under 25 have the mind of a child and are qualified for child medical benefits according to every dimwit on the talk show circuit today. Sorry to have ran down a bunch of mindless democrat, developmentally disabled, children in adult bodies. Hope that clears it up. I’m also happy the dimwits from congress that visited NASCAR the past two weeks got all of their shots. Wouldn’t want them spreading their illnesses (mental) throughout the large crowds. Now tell me these people aren’t crazy.

]]> By: pagar http://www.floppingaces.net/2007/10/14/an-argument-against-hillarycar/#comment-7339 pagar Mon, 15 Oct 2007 00:52:15 +0000 http://www.floppingaces.net/2007/10/14/an-argument-against-hillarycare/#comment-7339 Just a thought, but a lot of the returning injured vets and their families may not know about the good help that can come their way from the <a href="http://www.vfw.org/" rel="nofollow">VFW</a> and like organizations. The local VFW service officer may not know all the answers, but they know a lot more the local library, I'd be willing to bet, and if they don't the national office will. Just a thought, but a lot of the returning injured vets and their families may not know about the good help that can come their way from the VFW and like organizations. The local VFW service officer may not know all the answers, but they know a lot more the local library, I’d be willing to bet, and if they don’t the national office will.

]]> By: ajacksonian http://www.floppingaces.net/2007/10/14/an-argument-against-hillarycar/#comment-7338 ajacksonian Mon, 15 Oct 2007 00:33:07 +0000 http://www.floppingaces.net/2007/10/14/an-argument-against-hillarycare/#comment-7338 Ah, the loveliness of paperwork! Almost all of the money spent on healthcare these days is not in the spiraling cost of the actual care, but in the spiraling cost of overhead... on the government side we can hear <a href="http://ajacksonian.blogspot.com/2007/04/two-senators-zero-clues-on-their-jobs.html" rel="nofollow">fine words from clueless politicians</a> that decry the paperwork and bureaucracy! And when one is a Senator and claims it can be fixed when they are President, they forget that it is CONGRESS that makes the laws that mandates the paperwork. This does not get fixed with treating everyone as then *everyone* must be tracked and *everyone* must have their paperwork filled out and *everyone* must be verified and *everyone* must get sign-offs on everything done by regulation. Putting government in the loop makes it worse. Vets would be better off getting their choice of the civilian plans for the Federal government and getting deep breaks on those costs. When government runs things directly... having worked at one of the most efficient agencies in the Federal government, I can say that 65% efficiency is the best you will ever get. Most of the government runs at 45-55% worktime efficiency and some far less than that. In perspective, most private businesses run at 80% efficiency: 80% of worktime is spent doing productive work. Why folks want the government to run anything but the bare minimum for the Nation is beyond me. Apparently the lesson of the USSR has been forgotten, and being beholden to a bureaucrat is the dream of those that want government to run every blessed thing around. Amazing that I can get one part of the government to put me down as disabled and another part unable to do the same thing.... not worth bothering to try and fix *that* as it would probably, literally, kill me. Never expected anything from Social Security and got just that. But the paperwork that *must* be filled out? You need a specialist for it... actually a few of them. Ah, the loveliness of paperwork! Almost all of the money spent on healthcare these days is not in the spiraling cost of the actual care, but in the spiraling cost of overhead… on the government side we can hear fine words from clueless politicians that decry the paperwork and bureaucracy! And when one is a Senator and claims it can be fixed when they are President, they forget that it is CONGRESS that makes the laws that mandates the paperwork.

This does not get fixed with treating everyone as then *everyone* must be tracked and *everyone* must have their paperwork filled out and *everyone* must be verified and *everyone* must get sign-offs on everything done by regulation. Putting government in the loop makes it worse. Vets would be better off getting their choice of the civilian plans for the Federal government and getting deep breaks on those costs. When government runs things directly… having worked at one of the most efficient agencies in the Federal government, I can say that 65% efficiency is the best you will ever get. Most of the government runs at 45-55% worktime efficiency and some far less than that. In perspective, most private businesses run at 80% efficiency: 80% of worktime is spent doing productive work.

Why folks want the government to run anything but the bare minimum for the Nation is beyond me. Apparently the lesson of the USSR has been forgotten, and being beholden to a bureaucrat is the dream of those that want government to run every blessed thing around. Amazing that I can get one part of the government to put me down as disabled and another part unable to do the same thing…. not worth bothering to try and fix *that* as it would probably, literally, kill me. Never expected anything from Social Security and got just that. But the paperwork that *must* be filled out? You need a specialist for it… actually a few of them.

]]> By: jpe http://www.floppingaces.net/2007/10/14/an-argument-against-hillarycar/#comment-7337 jpe Sun, 14 Oct 2007 23:53:57 +0000 http://www.floppingaces.net/2007/10/14/an-argument-against-hillarycare/#comment-7337 The problem would seem to be the difficulty of sorting out who should and shouldn't be treated. Treat everyone, and that layer of bureaucracy goes away. The problem would seem to be the difficulty of sorting out who should and shouldn’t be treated. Treat everyone, and that layer of bureaucracy goes away.

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