Comments on: The SCHIP Poster Child Story Continues http://www.floppingaces.net/2007/10/10/the-schip-poster-child-story-c/ Sun, 22 Nov 2009 02:48:07 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: Mike's America http://www.floppingaces.net/2007/10/10/the-schip-poster-child-story-c/#comment-7154 Mike's America Thu, 11 Oct 2007 16:37:15 +0000 http://www.floppingaces.net/2007/10/10/the-schip-poster-child-story-continues/#comment-7154 Why don't you Dems be honest about this issue? Why not just tell us you want everyone's health care controlled and regulated by the government? Why not just admit you want to control people's freedom to choose doctors or make lifestyle choices like smoking, overeating or gun ownership using federally mandated health insurance as the enforcer? You're not fooling anyone with this lie about this being for the "poor" because clearly it's not. And since when did we consider people old enough to vote and drink "children?" Curt: Thanks for the link about this covering illegals. Seems pretty clear to me: <blockquote>In a letter to Rep. Jim McCrery (R-La.) on Monday, Social Security Commissioner Michael Astrue wrote that the proposal "would not provide for verification of citizenship but would create a conclusive presumption based on less reliable data that a person is a citizen." Astrue said the name and Social Security number verification system would not verify that the persons submitting the name and number was who they claimed to be, nor would it prevent an illegal immigrant from fraudulently using another person's valid name and matching Social Security number to obtain Medicaid or SCHIP benefits.</blockquote> It's abundantly clear that Democrats can't wait to sign up illegals for every benefit in sight. Gotta hook 'em before we give them the right to vote. Why don’t you Dems be honest about this issue?

Why not just tell us you want everyone’s health care controlled and regulated by the government?

Why not just admit you want to control people’s freedom to choose doctors or make lifestyle choices like smoking, overeating or gun ownership using federally mandated health insurance as the enforcer?

You’re not fooling anyone with this lie about this being for the “poor” because clearly it’s not. And since when did we consider people old enough to vote and drink “children?”

Curt: Thanks for the link about this covering illegals. Seems pretty clear to me:

In a letter to Rep. Jim McCrery (R-La.) on Monday, Social Security Commissioner Michael Astrue wrote that the proposal “would not provide for verification of citizenship but would create a conclusive presumption based on less reliable data that a person is a citizen.”

Astrue said the name and Social Security number verification system would not verify that the persons submitting the name and number was who they claimed to be, nor would it prevent an illegal immigrant from fraudulently using another person’s valid name and matching Social Security number to obtain Medicaid or SCHIP benefits.

It’s abundantly clear that Democrats can’t wait to sign up illegals for every benefit in sight. Gotta hook ‘em before we give them the right to vote.

]]> By: Curt http://www.floppingaces.net/2007/10/10/the-schip-poster-child-story-c/#comment-7153 Curt Thu, 11 Oct 2007 16:01:33 +0000 http://www.floppingaces.net/2007/10/10/the-schip-poster-child-story-continues/#comment-7153 Daniel, do you people still not get it? They would never have had to use SCHIP if the family had paid for insurance PRIOR to the accident. MarineBryant, <a href="http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewPolitics.asp?Page=/Politics/archive/200709/POL20070926b.html" rel="nofollow">here is a link</a> on the illegal immigrant angle. Daniel, do you people still not get it? They would never have had to use SCHIP if the family had paid for insurance PRIOR to the accident.

MarineBryant, here is a link on the illegal immigrant angle.

]]> By: Daniel http://www.floppingaces.net/2007/10/10/the-schip-poster-child-story-c/#comment-7152 Daniel Thu, 11 Oct 2007 05:41:34 +0000 http://www.floppingaces.net/2007/10/10/the-schip-poster-child-story-continues/#comment-7152 But they can't GET regular coverage because of a pre-existing medical condition. Who cares if they make 45k year. Without SCHIP, they would be in the poor house, after declaring bankruptcy from the ongoing medical bills. What should we do then? "Sorry, but you folks with pre-existing conditions are SOL"? Insurance companies are an example of legal discrimination. They skim the best so they can pay shareholders, and the poor and those who don't qualify are left to the wolves. End pre-existing conditions, end age-bracketed benefits. But they can’t GET regular coverage because of a pre-existing medical condition. Who cares if they make 45k year. Without SCHIP, they would be in the poor house, after declaring bankruptcy from the ongoing medical bills.

What should we do then? “Sorry, but you folks with pre-existing conditions are SOL”?

Insurance companies are an example of legal discrimination. They skim the best so they can pay shareholders, and the poor and those who don’t qualify are left to the wolves.

End pre-existing conditions, end age-bracketed benefits.

]]> By: scrapiron http://www.floppingaces.net/2007/10/10/the-schip-poster-child-story-c/#comment-7151 scrapiron Thu, 11 Oct 2007 04:38:35 +0000 http://www.floppingaces.net/2007/10/10/the-schip-poster-child-story-continues/#comment-7151 markg8, get you facts streight? You are a lost soul. This program has been in operation and the proposed budget included a $5 billion increase. It paid for the continuing medical treatment of the 'poor' Frost children injured in the car crash. The democrats consider everyone above the age of 12 as an adult most of the time, (when sex with a democrat politician and a 12 YO is involved) but raised it too 25 for the slackers to 'draw' off the working people. When you support a bill like the democrats came out with you are sucking a** of the rich, and you probably have the mind of a three year old who considers the republicans the party of the rich, or you are one of those adults in body only (slackers) the democrats consider as having the mind of a child. markg8, get you facts streight? You are a lost soul. This program has been in operation and the proposed budget included a $5 billion increase. It paid for the continuing medical treatment of the ‘poor’ Frost children injured in the car crash. The democrats consider everyone above the age of 12 as an adult most of the time, (when sex with a democrat politician and a 12 YO is involved) but raised it too 25 for the slackers to ‘draw’ off the working people. When you support a bill like the democrats came out with you are sucking a** of the rich, and you probably have the mind of a three year old who considers the republicans the party of the rich, or you are one of those adults in body only (slackers) the democrats consider as having the mind of a child.

]]> By: marinetbryant http://www.floppingaces.net/2007/10/10/the-schip-poster-child-story-c/#comment-7150 marinetbryant Wed, 10 Oct 2007 23:43:52 +0000 http://www.floppingaces.net/2007/10/10/the-schip-poster-child-story-continues/#comment-7150 I read the bill and couldn't understand it! I didn't see anything about illegals being covered. There was mention of a 300xpoverty level and a 200x poverty level, which I think is what it is at now. Plus, the states really have more control over who is eligible re: children and adults. Tom I read the bill and couldn’t understand it! I didn’t see anything about illegals being covered. There was mention of a 300xpoverty level and a 200x poverty level, which I think is what it is at now. Plus, the states really have more control over who is eligible re: children and adults.

Tom

]]> By: markg8 http://www.floppingaces.net/2007/10/10/the-schip-poster-child-story-c/#comment-7149 markg8 Wed, 10 Oct 2007 22:44:47 +0000 http://www.floppingaces.net/2007/10/10/the-schip-poster-child-story-continues/#comment-7149 Get your facts straight Scott. Orrin Hatch and Chuck Grassley helped write this bill. Hardly your wildeyed liberals. This bill doesn't cover legal immigrants let alone the undocumented. The Lithuanian girl who cut my hair yesterday may have to give up her shop so her two year old can get Medicaid. We wouldn't want her gaming the system would we? Get your facts straight Scott. Orrin Hatch and Chuck Grassley helped write this bill. Hardly your wildeyed liberals. This bill doesn’t cover legal immigrants let alone the undocumented. The Lithuanian girl who cut my hair yesterday may have to give up her shop so her two year old can get Medicaid. We wouldn’t want her gaming the system would we?

]]> By: Scott Malensek http://www.floppingaces.net/2007/10/10/the-schip-poster-child-story-c/#comment-7148 Scott Malensek Wed, 10 Oct 2007 21:42:47 +0000 http://www.floppingaces.net/2007/10/10/the-schip-poster-child-story-continues/#comment-7148 Gosh Mark, I guess the Democrats heading the committee shouldn't have modified the bill into something they knew Bush would never sign. Hmmm, how's that go? A Democratic committee leader looks at a bill and says: Let's get something passed that will do some good vs Let's take something that could do some good, load it up with spending and welfare for non-Americans, make it so partisan that it can't pass, and then we get to pretend we're high and mighty. Yeah, nice...and some people blame Bush. Blame the sizzle not the steak Gosh Mark, I guess the Democrats heading the committee shouldn’t have modified the bill into something they knew Bush would never sign.

Hmmm, how’s that go? A Democratic committee leader looks at a bill and says:

Let’s get something passed that will do some good
vs
Let’s take something that could do some good, load it up with spending and welfare for non-Americans, make it so partisan that it can’t pass, and then we get to pretend we’re high and mighty.

Yeah, nice…and some people blame Bush.
Blame the sizzle not the steak

]]> By: markg8 http://www.floppingaces.net/2007/10/10/the-schip-poster-child-story-c/#comment-7147 markg8 Wed, 10 Oct 2007 21:38:54 +0000 http://www.floppingaces.net/2007/10/10/the-schip-poster-child-story-continues/#comment-7147 President Bush encouraged 9 states to cover not only kids but poor adults too, mostly poor parents under SCHIP when Republicans controlled congress. Now he’s cynically playing politics trying to look fiscally “responsible” by scuttling the whole program. That won’t happen but it will cost Illinois alone an extra $75 million to push these adults into Medicaid according to the Chicago Tribune, by far a more expensive program to both Illinois and federal taxpayers than SCHIP. That makes no financial sense at all. But then our whole hodge podge healthcare system which is twice as expensive as most other countries in the world doesn't either. Hopefully it will make no political sense either when the American people kick the Republican party to the curb next year. President Bush encouraged 9 states to cover not only kids but poor adults too, mostly poor parents under SCHIP when Republicans controlled congress. Now he’s cynically playing politics trying to look fiscally “responsible” by scuttling the whole program. That won’t happen but it will cost Illinois alone an extra $75 million to push these adults into Medicaid according to the Chicago Tribune, by far a more expensive program to both Illinois and federal taxpayers than SCHIP.

That makes no financial sense at all. But then our whole hodge podge healthcare system which is twice as expensive as most other countries in the world doesn’t either. Hopefully it will make no political sense either when the American people kick the Republican party to the curb next year.

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