Khomeini wrote whole treatises on this stuff, including marraige, sex with animals, treatment of the Koran (wonder if they follow these rules when they print the thing?), and war with the infidels (This was written before the US sent support via the Camp David Accords to Israel). Each one of his writings is more twisted and disgusting than the last.

And for Shia Muslims, Khomeini’s words and writings must be followed, or they are aposates.

About children.

Here’s the Khomeini’s take (he is a supreme spiritual leader of Iran after all):

“A man can have sexual pleasure from a child as young as a baby. However, he should not penetrate. If he penetrates and the child is harmed then he should be responsible for her subsistence all her life. This girl, however would not count as one of his four permanent wives. The man will not be eligible to marry the girl’s sister.”

http://www.homa.org/Details.asp?ContentID=2137352826&TOCID=2083225445

Feel nauseated every time i read it.

Note this is a joke…it isnt a literal description of how i view Muslims in general…since i have never seen one…i hope the firsts a sane one…that even tends to sin some

After fighting these Islamic thugs for years, I also agree fully with you. The only ones spreading hate and calls for genocide are the Islamics and their Imams. Slowly, almost deathly slow, the West is waking up. Looking back at the first and second Islamic expansions, which eventually sparked the Crusades after much of Europe was conquered, I wonder how much the West will allow to fall before reacting this time?

Let’s not discriminate against the post-living here….

That is why I included the entire Sura in the link (it would only copy-paste with each line annotated).

If you google the sura, there are several Islamic sites that try to abridge the sura since it makes them look bad. That too is allowed when dealing with kuffer (infidels/unbelievers) by Sharia. You need to get an un-abridged Koran to see what is really said.

The hadiths are 800 pages and I have only read some…. It is like reading a novel by the “Son of Sam”.

I do not even GO to church and I know this from research. St. Isidore of Seville stated “God has made no difference between the soul of the slave and that of the freedman”. Here he referenced St Paul.

In 649 King Clovis II of the Franks married a slave, who then campaigned to halt slave trafficking. The Catholic Church honors her as Saint Bathilda. Yes, in the Slave states of the American South, some tried to use scripture history to keep the slaves 9citing that other cultures did it), the abolitionist movement, also Christians, moved to free slaves based on Christ’s teachings of brotherhood and redemption. Prominent abolitionists like William Lloyd Garrision at a speech in Charleston S.C. remarked, “Abolitionism, what is it? Liberty. What is Liberty? Abolitionism. What are they both? Politically, one is the Declaration of Independence; religiously, the other is the Golden Rule of our Saviour.”

Now take Islam. There is no “Golden Rule” in Islam. Muhammad owned slaves, the Koran condones slavery, the hadiths etc condone slavery, and thus, Sharia law condones slavery (see above post). Since Muhammad is the “super-man”, a person to be emulated at all times, it DOES have a bearing on current culture.

Let me say that again: Since Muhammad is the “super-man”, a person to be emulated at all times, it DOES have a bearing on current culture. This is taught throughout Islam.

That point must be raised over and over. At no point does Jesus, who Christians are supposed to attempt to be like, EVER do what Muhammad does. Nor are Christians supposed to be able to be perfect, for Christ was God incarnate.

In Islamic nations, slavery is not only condoned, but STILL PRACTICED. Slavery is practiced against Christians and pagans in Africa by Islamic people. Giving up people as slaves has been and STILL IS part of “Jizya” (tax by Islam upon dhimmis- non-Muslims living in Islamic lands). Research Thomas Pellow, an Englishman captured by Islamic forces in 1716 and forced by torture to convert.

Widespread Islamic slavery was not stopped by abolitionist movements in Islam, but by British military power in the late 1800s. However, many Islamic nations only “officially” ended slavery recently: Saudi Arabia-1962; Yemen/Oman-1970; Niger-2004 (ban is widely ignored). Sudan, as stated and Mauritania still allow slavery using non-Muslims.

Then we have the trial of Homaidan al_Turki, sentenced 2006, in Colorado for slavery. He claimed he was a ‘victim’ of anti-Muslim bias by stating, “You Honor, I am not here to apologize, for I cannot apologize for things I did not do and for crimes I did not commit. The state has criminalized these basic Muslim behaviors. Attacking traditional Muslim behaviors was the focal point of the prosecution.”

He was not stating that he did not keep slaves, he was stating that keeping slaves was NOT a “crime” to “Basic Muslim behaviors”.

So to state, AGAIN, Islam is unchanging. It is frozen in Muhammad’s time. This is by their own laws and interpretations by “mujtahdin”(Islamic Scholars: No new ones recognized since 855 AD). It has 1400 years of Islamic Jurisprudence to back that up. The only “hyjackers” of Islam are the moderates who just want to live in peace and watch Western TV. Here, and in almost EVERY other point, Islam differs from EVERY OTHER religion.

I have seen Chritians bashed with single quotes taken out of context or using what is obviously text was intended for an earlier society where marriage at the age of 13 and slavery were the norm. For the same reason I am suspicious of such quotes attributed to any religion.

Once again thanks for your source and reasoned response.

Random Unicorn

Being dead for over 2000 years does tend to make one a bit on the funky side.

Please provide a reputable source that shows that the muslim definition of the word virgin = exclusivly childeren.

Random Unicorn

Islam is more than the Koran. There is also the Sunnah (the “Way” of the Prophet Muhammad), the Sira (”life” of the Prophet), Haddith (”reports” about Muhammad’s life as relayed by Imams). Out of this comes Sharia law and the rules of Islamic governance.

It is within all of these that Islam’s true nature takes form. It is here that we learn “Peace” means “full submission/surrender”. So when Bin Laden and Iran’s mad mullahs call for the West to “make peace” with Islam, understand that they, and EVERY Islamic leader before them mean the West must surrender. This has not changed since Islam’s first military expansion into Africa, Asia, and Europe in 622AD.

To answer Mike. According to Haddith Volume 7, Book 62, Number 88; Narrated Ursa: “The Prophet wrote the (marriage contract) with Aisha while she was six years old and consummated his marriage with her while she was nine years old and she remained with him for nine years (i.e. till his death).”

This Haddith has been used, as recently as last month, to enslave and forcibly marry young Christian girls to Islamic men.

The verse Random is asking for is Sura 56 which speaks of “immortal youths” awaiting jihadists (Allah’s favored-Sura 9.111). “Youth” can mean boy or girl, but it is usually translated in its masculine form here. Also the fact the Koran goes on to specifically mention young women after words indicated the “youths” are very young males by most interpretations. The reference in the Sura to “Reward for what they used to do” indicates the “youths” are being punished for homosexuality. Yes, homosexuality is punishable by death in Islam, but ok in “paradise”. One of the THOUSANDS of inconsistencies in Islam, but covered by the principle of abrogation (Sura 2:106).

http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/quran/56/index.htm

If you use that logic then the goals of Christianity are obviously to have Drunken incest with ones daughters (Noah) and the encouragement to have institutional slavery,as well as many other acts that we find repugnant.

I am sure some individuals within the muslim religion support sex with childeren, as do some within the christian community, however that does not mean “SEX WITH CHILDREN for eternity, which is the goal of that religion.”

Random