Comments on: The New Taser Incident http://www.floppingaces.net/2007/09/18/the-new-taser-incident/ Sun, 08 Nov 2009 08:45:20 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: wordsmith http://www.floppingaces.net/2007/09/18/the-new-taser-incident/#comment-6550 wordsmith Thu, 20 Sep 2007 08:32:17 +0000 http://www.floppingaces.net/2007/09/18/the-new-taser-incident/#comment-6550 <blockquote>I don't know, maybe I should become a flopping Ace, then I'd have the right to taser people that annoy me. </blockquote> Hey! Don't taze me, bro!

I don’t know, maybe I should become a flopping Ace, then I’d have the right to taser people that annoy me.

Hey! Don’t taze me, bro!

]]> By: Curt http://www.floppingaces.net/2007/09/18/the-new-taser-incident/#comment-6549 Curt Thu, 20 Sep 2007 05:33:04 +0000 http://www.floppingaces.net/2007/09/18/the-new-taser-incident/#comment-6549 Police make mistakes, just as doctors do, just as every human on the face of the earth does. That fact does not make this incident a mistake. He was ordered to comply by a police officer to remove himself from the auditorium, when he did not he was arrested. When he resisted this arrest police officers don't have a choice to use force, they MUST use the necessary force to ensure compliance with the arrest. It's that simple. A taser is one of the least intrusive pain complaince methods out there next to pepper spray. But its a bad idea to use pepper spray in a large hall with many people in it. Now they could of used their fists to knock him senseless, or their flashlights to the joints and pressure points, but they choose not to. If the suspect believes it to be a unlawful arrest he/she can fight it in court, both civilly and criminally. But to fight them is not a choice. Your comments are childish and inane, typical police hater. I do believe your kind is more welcome at DummiesU tho, might try there. Police make mistakes, just as doctors do, just as every human on the face of the earth does. That fact does not make this incident a mistake. He was ordered to comply by a police officer to remove himself from the auditorium, when he did not he was arrested. When he resisted this arrest police officers don’t have a choice to use force, they MUST use the necessary force to ensure compliance with the arrest. It’s that simple. A taser is one of the least intrusive pain complaince methods out there next to pepper spray. But its a bad idea to use pepper spray in a large hall with many people in it. Now they could of used their fists to knock him senseless, or their flashlights to the joints and pressure points, but they choose not to.

If the suspect believes it to be a unlawful arrest he/she can fight it in court, both civilly and criminally. But to fight them is not a choice.

Your comments are childish and inane, typical police hater. I do believe your kind is more welcome at DummiesU tho, might try there.

]]> By: John Galt http://www.floppingaces.net/2007/09/18/the-new-taser-incident/#comment-6548 John Galt Thu, 20 Sep 2007 04:18:16 +0000 http://www.floppingaces.net/2007/09/18/the-new-taser-incident/#comment-6548 I don't know, maybe I should become a flopping Ace, then I'd have the right to taser people that annoy me. I might get to like that. I don’t know, maybe I should become a flopping Ace, then I’d have the right to taser people that annoy me. I might get to like that.

]]> By: wordsmith http://www.floppingaces.net/2007/09/18/the-new-taser-incident/#comment-6547 wordsmith Wed, 19 Sep 2007 23:03:40 +0000 http://www.floppingaces.net/2007/09/18/the-new-taser-incident/#comment-6547 Siding with the loudmouth, John? I guess you are the company you keep. Maybe <a href="http://freedomeden.blogspot.com/2007/09/hey-chris-matthews-dont-blame-bush-bro.html" rel="nofollow">Chris Matthews</a> is a fellow Ron Paul supporter, like you and Meyer? Siding with the loudmouth, John? I guess you are the company you keep. Maybe Chris Matthews is a fellow Ron Paul supporter, like you and Meyer?

]]> By: John Galt http://www.floppingaces.net/2007/09/18/the-new-taser-incident/#comment-6546 John Galt Wed, 19 Sep 2007 21:30:53 +0000 http://www.floppingaces.net/2007/09/18/the-new-taser-incident/#comment-6546 Wow, all this fuss over some loudmouth kid. Why ? Wouldn't it be better to look at all the cases where police actually kill someone unjustly. <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/04/nyregion/04legal.html" rel="nofollow">Sean Bell anyone ?</a> Of course, police never make mistakes, just ask them. That's why the civil protections eliminated in the patriot act don't matter, police are always right, they are always following their training, and, of course, they never lie. Wow, all this fuss over some loudmouth kid. Why ? Wouldn’t it be better to look at all the cases where police actually kill someone unjustly. Sean Bell anyone ?

Of course, police never make mistakes, just ask them. That’s why the civil protections eliminated in the patriot act don’t matter, police are always right, they are always following their training, and, of course, they never lie.

]]> By: wordsmith http://www.floppingaces.net/2007/09/18/the-new-taser-incident/#comment-6545 wordsmith Wed, 19 Sep 2007 20:46:21 +0000 http://www.floppingaces.net/2007/09/18/the-new-taser-incident/#comment-6545 Through <a href="http://ponderingpenguin.blogspot.com/2007/09/local-front.html" rel="nofollow">Karen</a> (a blogging friend), I discovered <a href="http://gagascorner.blogspot.com/2007/09/police-reports-from-taser-incident.html" rel="nofollow">this blogger</a> is a friend of one of the officers. RRRRRRRRR!!! Through Karen (a blogging friend), I discovered this blogger is a friend of one of the officers.

RRRRRRRRR!!!

]]> By: Mike's America STILL in Arkansas http://www.floppingaces.net/2007/09/18/the-new-taser-incident/#comment-6544 Mike's America STILL in Arkansas Wed, 19 Sep 2007 19:45:05 +0000 http://www.floppingaces.net/2007/09/18/the-new-taser-incident/#comment-6544 The entire episode would have been avoided if John Kerry had the good sense to cut the guy off when he started his rambling trash talk. But you know Democrats, they LOVE wallowing in garbage, so Kerry just stood there, which gave Meyer all the license he needed. Kerry could have shut him down with one word and he didn't. It's the same deal as these Code Pink circus freaks. Dems don't just tolerate these nuts, they ENCOURAGE them. The entire episode would have been avoided if John Kerry had the good sense to cut the guy off when he started his rambling trash talk.

But you know Democrats, they LOVE wallowing in garbage, so Kerry just stood there, which gave Meyer all the license he needed.

Kerry could have shut him down with one word and he didn’t.

It’s the same deal as these Code Pink circus freaks. Dems don’t just tolerate these nuts, they ENCOURAGE them.

]]> By: ChrisG http://www.floppingaces.net/2007/09/18/the-new-taser-incident/#comment-6543 ChrisG Wed, 19 Sep 2007 17:49:39 +0000 http://www.floppingaces.net/2007/09/18/the-new-taser-incident/#comment-6543 The more I see of this incident, the more I see a sophmoric buffoon out for publicity who set the police up so that he could get his 15 minutes of national fame on CNN. He needs to pay for what he did and the police must NOT be, as theBronze aptly states, "hung out to dry". Now I despise Kerry, but he is a senator and causing a commotion at an even where a high-profile senator is will make the security force act. That is a given. The police seemed to use A LOT of restraint in dealing with this moron. Add to this that Meyers was more interested in the taping and the fact that it was clearly a set-up could imply that Meyer was doing more than disturbing the peace, he was inciting a riot among sypathetic students. Yet what was CNN focusing on today? They focused on the taser and only briefly mentioned that Meyer was a publicity hog. If only the media would pay attention to the video and motives like others have. Though, with all the set-ups that the media does, they may not want to advertise this. Meyer's lawyers state the video is their best defense. From the review SlimGuy did, I think they might want to take that back. The more I see of this incident, the more I see a sophmoric buffoon out for publicity who set the police up so that he could get his 15 minutes of national fame on CNN. He needs to pay for what he did and the police must NOT be, as theBronze aptly states, “hung out to dry”.

Now I despise Kerry, but he is a senator and causing a commotion at an even where a high-profile senator is will make the security force act. That is a given. The police seemed to use A LOT of restraint in dealing with this moron.

Add to this that Meyers was more interested in the taping and the fact that it was clearly a set-up could imply that Meyer was doing more than disturbing the peace, he was inciting a riot among sypathetic students.

Yet what was CNN focusing on today? They focused on the taser and only briefly mentioned that Meyer was a publicity hog. If only the media would pay attention to the video and motives like others have. Though, with all the set-ups that the media does, they may not want to advertise this.

Meyer’s lawyers state the video is their best defense. From the review SlimGuy did, I think they might want to take that back.

]]> By: Public Speecher http://www.floppingaces.net/2007/09/18/the-new-taser-incident/#comment-6554 Public Speecher Wed, 19 Sep 2007 10:11:55 +0000 http://www.floppingaces.net/2007/09/18/the-new-taser-incident/#comment-6554 <strong>VIDEOS: “Don’t tase me bro!” - Andrew Meyer</strong> (TIP: For those who just want to watch the videos, I’ve embedded 3, and linked to another. So scroll down and skip my pontificating if you’re simply here for the vids) By now it would be shocking if you hadn’t heard about the antics ... VIDEOS: “Don’t tase me bro!” – Andrew Meyer

(TIP: For those who just want to watch the videos, I’ve embedded 3, and linked to another. So scroll down and skip my pontificating if you’re simply here for the vids)
By now it would be shocking if you hadn’t heard about the antics …

]]> By: thebronze http://www.floppingaces.net/2007/09/18/the-new-taser-incident/#comment-6542 thebronze Wed, 19 Sep 2007 05:14:11 +0000 http://www.floppingaces.net/2007/09/18/the-new-taser-incident/#comment-6542 As usual, these college coppers are going to be hung-out-to-dry by their administration. The Sgt. and the female officer that drive-stunned the idiot are on admin leave pending the results of the investigation. Look for them to be fired at the completion of it. As usual, these college coppers are going to be hung-out-to-dry by their administration.

The Sgt. and the female officer that drive-stunned the idiot are on admin leave pending the results of the investigation.

Look for them to be fired at the completion of it.

]]> By: SlimGuy http://www.floppingaces.net/2007/09/18/the-new-taser-incident/#comment-6541 SlimGuy Wed, 19 Sep 2007 04:24:57 +0000 http://www.floppingaces.net/2007/09/18/the-new-taser-incident/#comment-6541 The guy in the coat and tie identified (see Michael Malikin's post Accent Speaker’s Bureau president, Stephen Blank (in some videos, front row left side of right aisle), signals the AV guys to cut Meyer off. ASB coordinates all guest speakers at UofF The guy in the coat and tie identified (see Michael Malikin’s post

Accent Speaker’s Bureau president, Stephen Blank (in some videos, front row left side of right aisle), signals the AV guys to cut Meyer off.

ASB coordinates all guest speakers at UofF

]]> By: SlimGuy http://www.floppingaces.net/2007/09/18/the-new-taser-incident/#comment-6540 SlimGuy Wed, 19 Sep 2007 04:07:34 +0000 http://www.floppingaces.net/2007/09/18/the-new-taser-incident/#comment-6540 <p> Points from curts video (from main video edited short not my link) <br /> </p> <blockquote>1) note gal to speakers right with cell phone taking video from the start </blockquote> <blockquote> <p>2) note camera guy squatting on floor next to her till action started </p> <p>3) at 20 sec mark note guy in coat and tie next to police signals someone (sound people? to cut of mic) </p> <p>4) at 1 min mark note those close by are laughing a giggling about staged incident and seem to sense the speaker is under no duress.  <br /> </p> </blockquote> <p>From the video on Youtube that is l<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sE76LQwT6qA" rel="nofollow">onger and starts early in the rant</a> <br /> </p> <blockquote> <p> </p> <p>1) angle of video and proximity conclude it must be from the cellphone video to the speakers right </p> <p>2) the earlier video showed no cameras behind her position </p> <p>3) the short stage shot of Kerry show low video quality of a cellphone </p> <p>4) the audio lag is consistent with a cellphone video. </p> <p>5) early in his rant people on the far side of the room start exiting the area with looks of seeming disgust on their faces </p> <p>6) the female officer (hatbill intrudes on video) tapped him on the shoulder when he was getting out of line </p> </blockquote> <p>In both videos the speaker appears to have been trying to provoke an incident and his confrontation with the police when reviewed shows he does not try to break contact completely, but stage plays the scene to the cameras </p> <p>From the mannerisms of the spectators on either side of the isle, there seems to be apparent realizations of this staging and no threat or duress to the speaker based on the facial expressions and relaxed demeanor. It would seem to appear that the lady taking video with the cellphone and the squatting camera men may be friends/class members of Mr Meyer. </p> Points from curts video (from main video edited short not my link)

1) note gal to speakers right with cell phone taking video from the start

2) note camera guy squatting on floor next to her till action started

3) at 20 sec mark note guy in coat and tie next to police signals someone (sound people? to cut of mic)

4) at 1 min mark note those close by are laughing a giggling about staged incident and seem to sense the speaker is under no duress. 

From the video on Youtube that is longer and starts early in the rant

1) angle of video and proximity conclude it must be from the cellphone video to the speakers right

2) the earlier video showed no cameras behind her position

3) the short stage shot of Kerry show low video quality of a cellphone

4) the audio lag is consistent with a cellphone video.

5) early in his rant people on the far side of the room start exiting the area with looks of seeming disgust on their faces

6) the female officer (hatbill intrudes on video) tapped him on the shoulder when he was getting out of line

In both videos the speaker appears to have been trying to provoke an incident and his confrontation with the police when reviewed shows he does not try to break contact completely, but stage plays the scene to the cameras

From the mannerisms of the spectators on either side of the isle, there seems to be apparent realizations of this staging and no threat or duress to the speaker based on the facial expressions and relaxed demeanor. It would seem to appear that the lady taking video with the cellphone and the squatting camera men may be friends/class members of Mr Meyer.

]]> By: BeldarBlog http://www.floppingaces.net/2007/09/18/the-new-taser-incident/#comment-6553 BeldarBlog Wed, 19 Sep 2007 03:28:07 +0000 http://www.floppingaces.net/2007/09/18/the-new-taser-incident/#comment-6553 <strong>At John Kerry's Florida rally, Andrew Meyer wasn't "shot" by a Taser, but merely shocked by one used in "drive-stun" mode</strong> Michelle Malkin, James Joyner, and lots of other bloggers are posting about University of Florida student Andrew Meyer being Tasered (to take a fairly elegant product name and make an inelegant verb out of it) at a John Kerry political rally. Michelle ... At John Kerry’s Florida rally, Andrew Meyer wasn’t “shot” by a Taser, but merely shocked by one used in “drive-stun” mode

Michelle Malkin, James Joyner, and lots of other bloggers are posting about University of Florida student Andrew Meyer being Tasered (to take a fairly elegant product name and make an inelegant verb out of it) at a John Kerry political rally. Michelle …

]]> By: Rovin http://www.floppingaces.net/2007/09/18/the-new-taser-incident/#comment-6539 Rovin Wed, 19 Sep 2007 03:06:30 +0000 http://www.floppingaces.net/2007/09/18/the-new-taser-incident/#comment-6539 Dennis Miller said on the Factor tonight that Kerry should have jumped off the stage and saved the kid, but he was probably waiting for U.N. approval. I'm beginning to believe this was a staged incident. Too much theatrics. Look for this kid to be in the Keith Olbermann hall of fame. Dennis Miller said on the Factor tonight that Kerry should have jumped off the stage and saved the kid, but he was probably waiting for U.N. approval.

I’m beginning to believe this was a staged incident. Too much theatrics. Look for this kid to be in the Keith Olbermann hall of fame.

]]> By: Curt http://www.floppingaces.net/2007/09/18/the-new-taser-incident/#comment-6538 Curt Wed, 19 Sep 2007 03:04:41 +0000 http://www.floppingaces.net/2007/09/18/the-new-taser-incident/#comment-6538 Good catch Slim, and I have no doubt this was pre-planned. As I said, he wanted his two minutes of fame and now he's got it. Good catch Slim, and I have no doubt this was pre-planned. As I said, he wanted his two minutes of fame and now he’s got it.

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