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		<title>By: Scott Malensek</title>
		<link>http://www.floppingaces.net/2007/08/31/the-time-for-grace-and-humilit/#comment-5843</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Malensek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Sep 2007 02:55:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>btw, my favorite milblog was Jake&#039;s
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>btw, my favorite milblog was Jake&#8217;s<br />
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		<title>By: Scott Malensek</title>
		<link>http://www.floppingaces.net/2007/08/31/the-time-for-grace-and-humilit/#comment-5842</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Malensek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Sep 2007 02:54:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Michael.  There are definitely those days for all of us.  We keep up, because we hold each other up, and our interest is the nation-Democrats and KOSsacks included.

Me, I have many friends and family who are strongly against the war, but common denominator in them all is that they don&#039;t like W.  That&#039;s been interesting until now.  I mean, hey, if one doesn&#039;t find a leader compelling enough to follow, then the leader&#039;s not good at leading.  It&#039;s that simple.  W was not my first choice in 00 or 04.  More importantly, now that Dems have Congress (and are failing there), opponents of the war who have opposition based in dissatisfaction with W are forced to face the reality...if for no other reasons than:

He&#039;s a lame duck
He&#039;s gonna be replaced

and so it is that people are coming to ask themselves (finally), candidate X is no different than W...then what was all this anti-war effort for?  If the war is doing some good...then what was all this anti-war effort for?  If the WMD thing wasn&#039;t a Bush lied gig, but a result of bad intel as half a dozen investigations have shown...then what was all that anti-war/Bush Lied rhetoric for?  If no intel agency seriously looked at Saddam&#039;s ties to AQ before the war, and even the 911 Commission members are saying there&#039;s enough evidence to reasses (to say nothing of the 10-20000 Al Queda killed in Iraq)...then who wanted me to believe that and why?

People are looking at 08 and asking, &quot;Am I going to have to vote for a Republican or for Clinton who is just the same as W?&quot;

Like I&#039;ve said before Michael, armies fight wars, but politicians decide when they&#039;ve been won.  An asymmetric war like this one is fought in hilltop firebases, caves, and IED packed roads, but it is won when politicians agree it&#039;s won, and they&#039;ll do that (are doing that) now that the American people (56%) see that the war is not lost, and at the same time see success in Iraq.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Michael.  There are definitely those days for all of us.  We keep up, because we hold each other up, and our interest is the nation-Democrats and KOSsacks included.</p>
<p>Me, I have many friends and family who are strongly against the war, but common denominator in them all is that they don&#8217;t like W.  That&#8217;s been interesting until now.  I mean, hey, if one doesn&#8217;t find a leader compelling enough to follow, then the leader&#8217;s not good at leading.  It&#8217;s that simple.  W was not my first choice in 00 or 04.  More importantly, now that Dems have Congress (and are failing there), opponents of the war who have opposition based in dissatisfaction with W are forced to face the reality&#8230;if for no other reasons than:</p>
<p>He&#8217;s a lame duck<br />
He&#8217;s gonna be replaced</p>
<p>and so it is that people are coming to ask themselves (finally), candidate X is no different than W&#8230;then what was all this anti-war effort for?  If the war is doing some good&#8230;then what was all this anti-war effort for?  If the WMD thing wasn&#8217;t a Bush lied gig, but a result of bad intel as half a dozen investigations have shown&#8230;then what was all that anti-war/Bush Lied rhetoric for?  If no intel agency seriously looked at Saddam&#8217;s ties to AQ before the war, and even the 911 Commission members are saying there&#8217;s enough evidence to reasses (to say nothing of the 10-20000 Al Queda killed in Iraq)&#8230;then who wanted me to believe that and why?</p>
<p>People are looking at 08 and asking, &#8220;Am I going to have to vote for a Republican or for Clinton who is just the same as W?&#8221;</p>
<p>Like I&#8217;ve said before Michael, armies fight wars, but politicians decide when they&#8217;ve been won.  An asymmetric war like this one is fought in hilltop firebases, caves, and IED packed roads, but it is won when politicians agree it&#8217;s won, and they&#8217;ll do that (are doing that) now that the American people (56%) see that the war is not lost, and at the same time see success in Iraq.</p>
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		<title>By: MICHAEL in MI</title>
		<link>http://www.floppingaces.net/2007/08/31/the-time-for-grace-and-humilit/#comment-5841</link>
		<dc:creator>MICHAEL in MI</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Sep 2007 01:40:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Scott - I must not be an average American, because I don&#039;t give two shites what a politician says about anything anymore.  I don&#039;t need to be led by any of those corrupt a-holes.  I haven&#039;t watched the mass media, read a mass media &quot;news&quot;-paper, read a mass media &quot;news&quot; website  since 2003, nor watched nor listened to any politician speech since the 2004 Republican Convention.

Since 9/11/2001, I have taken it upon myself to get myself educated and informed about the military community, military history, military science, politics, American history, Middle East history and, most importantly, Islam, history of Islam, history of Islam in the Middle East, the history of war, dominance, oppression and forced submission of others by Islam and the current state of Islam across the world and specifically the movement here in America and in Europe to spread Islamic sharia law and restore the Islamic Caliphate.

I did that all because I take an interest in my country, not because joe schmoe corrupt politician told me to do so.  Is our country that effing lazy and apathetic that they need the President or a politician to tell them what to do?  If that is the case, we are doomed.

And I seriously believe that.

The fact is the Left and the Islamist groups (such as CAIR and the ISNA and the Muslim Students Association, etc) work to divide the country through spreading hate, lies and propaganda and the &quot;Right&quot; does nothing of consequence to fight back.  Political Correctness has destroyed this country.  The Right simply does not have the will to fight back against it.  Even the mighty Michelle Malkin demonizes one of the few on the Right who dares fight back against the Left... Ann Coulter.  Malkin and her cohorts pushed the movement to push Ann Coulter from relevance, saying she was too mean-spirited and (OH NO!) &quot;makes us look bad&quot;.  Please.  Ann Coulter is the only one who doesn&#039;t take shite from the Left and bitchslaps them right back using their own tactics.  No one on the Left OR the Right even debunks Ms. Coulter based on the content of what she says, they just demonize her based on how she expresses herself.

We need more Ann Coulters, not less. We need more fighting back and exposing the Left for the hate-mongers and liars and racists and socialists and Communists and anti-Semites and gay-bashers and bigots that they are, not less.

If we don&#039;t fight back and fight back hard, we will lose America to the Left.  Worse than we already have.  We have lost the mass media.  We have lost Hollywood.  We have lost the public education system.  And we have lost the University system.  The Left controls every major mass medium for communication.  Every one.  And just recently, some schmuck Left blogger took control of an entire political party with the YearlyKos Convention.  The Left controls every communication outlet now.  Every.Single.One.  And what have we &quot;progressed&quot; to in politics?  Left-wing bloggers forcing an entire political party to boycott a major news network&#039;s debate and right-wing bloggers forcing an entire political party NOT to boycott snowmen asking questions on YouTube.

This country has gone to shite and it is because the Right has no spine, no balls and no will to fight back, because of &quot;political correctness&quot;.

The only thing I read are military blogs like Mudville Gazette and Blackfive and FA and NRO THE TANK and I get my news there and from all the military blogs to which they all link (especially MG DAWN PATROL by Mrs. Greyhawk)... and then I see what the mass media reports and what the politicians are saying and what the so-called political pundits are saying and it is just night and day.  Hell, it is worse than night and day, it is like I am living on two different planets when I compare the facts I read with the utter crap coming from the mass media, politicians and political pundits.

I admire you all here, because I just don&#039;t know how you do it.  How you all keep up with this and press on.  Because I have given up.  I have given up on my fellow Americans to actually give a damn about this country and take it upon themselves as I have to get educated and get informed.  I have no faith in my fellow Americans and no faith in the American goverment to do what is right.

I feel bad for the men and women of the US military who live with a sense of honor and duty and sacrifice for a nation and government who care nothing for either of those things.  I admire them all though.  They are the true &quot;American Idols&quot; and yet their countrymen and their government treat them like dogshite.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scott &#8211; I must not be an average American, because I don&#8217;t give two shites what a politician says about anything anymore.  I don&#8217;t need to be led by any of those corrupt a-holes.  I haven&#8217;t watched the mass media, read a mass media &#8220;news&#8221;-paper, read a mass media &#8220;news&#8221; website  since 2003, nor watched nor listened to any politician speech since the 2004 Republican Convention.</p>
<p>Since 9/11/2001, I have taken it upon myself to get myself educated and informed about the military community, military history, military science, politics, American history, Middle East history and, most importantly, Islam, history of Islam, history of Islam in the Middle East, the history of war, dominance, oppression and forced submission of others by Islam and the current state of Islam across the world and specifically the movement here in America and in Europe to spread Islamic sharia law and restore the Islamic Caliphate.</p>
<p>I did that all because I take an interest in my country, not because joe schmoe corrupt politician told me to do so.  Is our country that effing lazy and apathetic that they need the President or a politician to tell them what to do?  If that is the case, we are doomed.</p>
<p>And I seriously believe that.</p>
<p>The fact is the Left and the Islamist groups (such as CAIR and the ISNA and the Muslim Students Association, etc) work to divide the country through spreading hate, lies and propaganda and the &#8220;Right&#8221; does nothing of consequence to fight back.  Political Correctness has destroyed this country.  The Right simply does not have the will to fight back against it.  Even the mighty Michelle Malkin demonizes one of the few on the Right who dares fight back against the Left&#8230; Ann Coulter.  Malkin and her cohorts pushed the movement to push Ann Coulter from relevance, saying she was too mean-spirited and (OH NO!) &#8220;makes us look bad&#8221;.  Please.  Ann Coulter is the only one who doesn&#8217;t take shite from the Left and bitchslaps them right back using their own tactics.  No one on the Left OR the Right even debunks Ms. Coulter based on the content of what she says, they just demonize her based on how she expresses herself.</p>
<p>We need more Ann Coulters, not less. We need more fighting back and exposing the Left for the hate-mongers and liars and racists and socialists and Communists and anti-Semites and gay-bashers and bigots that they are, not less.</p>
<p>If we don&#8217;t fight back and fight back hard, we will lose America to the Left.  Worse than we already have.  We have lost the mass media.  We have lost Hollywood.  We have lost the public education system.  And we have lost the University system.  The Left controls every major mass medium for communication.  Every one.  And just recently, some schmuck Left blogger took control of an entire political party with the YearlyKos Convention.  The Left controls every communication outlet now.  Every.Single.One.  And what have we &#8220;progressed&#8221; to in politics?  Left-wing bloggers forcing an entire political party to boycott a major news network&#8217;s debate and right-wing bloggers forcing an entire political party NOT to boycott snowmen asking questions on YouTube.</p>
<p>This country has gone to shite and it is because the Right has no spine, no balls and no will to fight back, because of &#8220;political correctness&#8221;.</p>
<p>The only thing I read are military blogs like Mudville Gazette and Blackfive and FA and NRO THE TANK and I get my news there and from all the military blogs to which they all link (especially MG DAWN PATROL by Mrs. Greyhawk)&#8230; and then I see what the mass media reports and what the politicians are saying and what the so-called political pundits are saying and it is just night and day.  Hell, it is worse than night and day, it is like I am living on two different planets when I compare the facts I read with the utter crap coming from the mass media, politicians and political pundits.</p>
<p>I admire you all here, because I just don&#8217;t know how you do it.  How you all keep up with this and press on.  Because I have given up.  I have given up on my fellow Americans to actually give a damn about this country and take it upon themselves as I have to get educated and get informed.  I have no faith in my fellow Americans and no faith in the American goverment to do what is right.</p>
<p>I feel bad for the men and women of the US military who live with a sense of honor and duty and sacrifice for a nation and government who care nothing for either of those things.  I admire them all though.  They are the true &#8220;American Idols&#8221; and yet their countrymen and their government treat them like dogshite.</p>
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		<title>By: GM Roper</title>
		<link>http://www.floppingaces.net/2007/08/31/the-time-for-grace-and-humilit/#comment-5840</link>
		<dc:creator>GM Roper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Sep 2007 19:33:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Got here this afternoon via Larwyn.  &lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;The problem is the deliberate division of the nation from people who lead the calls for retreat not after hearing military or intelligence briefings, but after meeting with MoveOn.org and Code Pink leaders. For those Ã¢â‚¬Å“leadersÃ¢â‚¬Â who oppose the strongest and the loudest are people who have no leadership to offer. They are empty hats who are still fighting the 2000 and 2004 elections.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Amen and Amen!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Got here this afternoon via Larwyn.<br />
<blockquote>&#8220;The problem is the deliberate division of the nation from people who lead the calls for retreat not after hearing military or intelligence briefings, but after meeting with <a href="http://MoveOn.org" title="http://MoveOn.org" class="autohyperlink" target="_blank">MoveOn.org&#8230;</a> and Code Pink leaders. For those Ã¢â‚¬Å“leadersÃ¢â‚¬Â who oppose the strongest and the loudest are people who have no leadership to offer. They are empty hats who are still fighting the 2000 and 2004 elections.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>Amen and Amen!</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Malensek</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott Malensek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Sep 2007 04:41:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WHEW!  I actually deleted the section about most Americans not having the time or interest, but put it back in..just..because I guess.  It IS an important point.  People don&#039;t like war.  It&#039;s a lie for the war&#039;s opponents to suggest that people do.  There are no warmongers here-including President Bush since he has MASSIVE political capital to be gained by a victory parade down PA Ave.  If he could bring troops home with victory, it&#039;d be the worst day for the DNC since Clinton&#039;s cigar moment.  So it is that people are tired of war, not interested, don&#039;t like it, and if they have to keep up with the news they prefer to do it with Jon Stewart, Vanity Fair, Rolling Stoner, and other less honest and truthful outlets.  See also Keith O!

Glad I kept it in there.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WHEW!  I actually deleted the section about most Americans not having the time or interest, but put it back in..just..because I guess.  It IS an important point.  People don&#8217;t like war.  It&#8217;s a lie for the war&#8217;s opponents to suggest that people do.  There are no warmongers here-including President Bush since he has MASSIVE political capital to be gained by a victory parade down PA Ave.  If he could bring troops home with victory, it&#8217;d be the worst day for the DNC since Clinton&#8217;s cigar moment.  So it is that people are tired of war, not interested, don&#8217;t like it, and if they have to keep up with the news they prefer to do it with Jon Stewart, Vanity Fair, Rolling Stoner, and other less honest and truthful outlets.  See also Keith O!</p>
<p>Glad I kept it in there. <img src='http://www.floppingaces.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: wordsmith</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Sep 2007 04:29:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s a lot that&#039;s well-stated here, Scott.  The following was a great observation:
&lt;blockquote&gt;Your typical American doesnÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t have the time or desire to invest themselves in the details of the war in Iraq or the war on terror in general. They want to be led. They need to be led. ItÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s just easier than thinking. And so it is that political opposition to Ã¢â‚¬Å“BushÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s WarÃ¢â‚¬Â continues. ItÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s not just apathy or disdain for a President, but itÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s a matter of average lives. This war is simply not a part of every AmericanÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s every day life. They see the bodies on the news, hear the political choice between Ã¢â‚¬Å“just keep enduring the awful newsÃ¢â‚¬Â vs. Ã¢â‚¬Å“We can just leave and everything will be ok because itÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s all this bad PresidentÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s fault,Ã¢â‚¬Â and they say, gosh, that second sounds better, and I donÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t really understand XYZ about the war, so I might as well oppose it. After all, everyone dislikes war. Everyone should oppose war unless thereÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s a good reason for it, and that reasoning is lost to the hatred from the political leftÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s leaders who have nothing to offer as an alternative to the inescapable path we now see in Iraq.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

And the bullseye point:

&lt;blockquote&gt;The grace and unity that Ms. Noonan hopes would be forthcoming from Presidential grace and humility. Yet, that has never been the case. When the President reaffirmed time and again that there was no intelligence connecting Saddam to the 911 attacks, his opponents still claimed he was misleading and connecting the two unjustly. When the President repeatedly said that the expected vast stockpiles of WMD were not found, his opponents chose to continue their Ã¢â‚¬Å“Bush LiedÃ¢â‚¬Â rantings rather than reply with similar Ã¢â‚¬Å“grace and humility.Ã¢â‚¬Â

ThereÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s no doubt that national unity is needed, but the problem is not the PresidentÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s rhetoric. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

President Bush is not the divider.  As far as I can tell, he&#039;s held the olive branch out to Democrats, to Muslims, to hispanics, to every group under the sun.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s a lot that&#8217;s well-stated here, Scott.  The following was a great observation:</p>
<blockquote><p>Your typical American doesnÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t have the time or desire to invest themselves in the details of the war in Iraq or the war on terror in general. They want to be led. They need to be led. ItÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s just easier than thinking. And so it is that political opposition to Ã¢â‚¬Å“BushÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s WarÃ¢â‚¬Â continues. ItÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s not just apathy or disdain for a President, but itÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s a matter of average lives. This war is simply not a part of every AmericanÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s every day life. They see the bodies on the news, hear the political choice between Ã¢â‚¬Å“just keep enduring the awful newsÃ¢â‚¬Â vs. Ã¢â‚¬Å“We can just leave and everything will be ok because itÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s all this bad PresidentÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s fault,Ã¢â‚¬Â and they say, gosh, that second sounds better, and I donÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t really understand XYZ about the war, so I might as well oppose it. After all, everyone dislikes war. Everyone should oppose war unless thereÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s a good reason for it, and that reasoning is lost to the hatred from the political leftÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s leaders who have nothing to offer as an alternative to the inescapable path we now see in Iraq.</p></blockquote>
<p>And the bullseye point:</p>
<blockquote><p>The grace and unity that Ms. Noonan hopes would be forthcoming from Presidential grace and humility. Yet, that has never been the case. When the President reaffirmed time and again that there was no intelligence connecting Saddam to the 911 attacks, his opponents still claimed he was misleading and connecting the two unjustly. When the President repeatedly said that the expected vast stockpiles of WMD were not found, his opponents chose to continue their Ã¢â‚¬Å“Bush LiedÃ¢â‚¬Â rantings rather than reply with similar Ã¢â‚¬Å“grace and humility.Ã¢â‚¬Â</p>
<p>ThereÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s no doubt that national unity is needed, but the problem is not the PresidentÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s rhetoric. </p></blockquote>
<p>President Bush is not the divider.  As far as I can tell, he&#8217;s held the olive branch out to Democrats, to Muslims, to hispanics, to every group under the sun.</p>
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		<title>By: kathie</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Sep 2007 03:43:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I could agree more!
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