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		<title>By: Fred056</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fred056</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2007 04:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Close. The word I was thinking of calling him starts the same way, but has a slightly different ending.
Doesn't POS mean Positively Overbearing Sonofabitch?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Close. The word I was thinking of calling him starts the same way, but has a slightly different ending.<br />
Doesn&#8217;t POS mean Positively Overbearing Sonofabitch?</p>
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		<title>By: scaulen</title>
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		<dc:creator>scaulen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2007 16:17:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Curt, I do believe the POS is calling you a chickenhawk? The last line of  defense for the fever swampers.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Curt, I do believe the POS is calling you a chickenhawk? The last line of  defense for the fever swampers.</p>
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		<title>By: Fred056</title>
		<link>http://www.floppingaces.net/2007/08/24/another-haditha-marine-cleared/#comment-5709</link>
		<dc:creator>Fred056</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2007 07:17:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe you could have fun by going over there and showing everyone what a REAL American can do?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe you could have fun by going over there and showing everyone what a REAL American can do?</p>
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		<title>By: Curt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Curt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2007 05:52:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I knew you were tin-hat lefty.  Have fun with that.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I knew you were tin-hat lefty.  Have fun with that.</p>
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		<title>By: Fred056</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fred056</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2007 05:31:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When following directions from Cheney about how to invade Iraq, obviously the expectation was of an easy campaign. Bush even announced the success of the war (a little early). The whole thing is a total mess and the morale of coalition forces is not exactly upbeat.
No surprises that the stress on these guys (who are following orders, remember) results in stuff like Haditha. Mind you, I get all this from watching the TV, so I guess I don't have the insights that you obviously do.
Believing that the military is open, honest and impartial when judging its personnel is also a bit of a stretch (for me anyway, maybe I AM a lefty, bugger...)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When following directions from Cheney about how to invade Iraq, obviously the expectation was of an easy campaign. Bush even announced the success of the war (a little early). The whole thing is a total mess and the morale of coalition forces is not exactly upbeat.<br />
No surprises that the stress on these guys (who are following orders, remember) results in stuff like Haditha. Mind you, I get all this from watching the TV, so I guess I don&#8217;t have the insights that you obviously do.<br />
Believing that the military is open, honest and impartial when judging its personnel is also a bit of a stretch (for me anyway, maybe I AM a lefty, bugger&#8230;)</p>
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		<title>By: Curt</title>
		<link>http://www.floppingaces.net/2007/08/24/another-haditha-marine-cleared/#comment-5706</link>
		<dc:creator>Curt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2007 05:03:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Before you make a bigger fool of yourself please go read the pdf I linked to and tell me which "eyewitnesses" are believable.  The courts didn't find any of them believable.  Also, witnesses see whats going on in their general area.  They do not know what precipitated their attack nor did they know that when Marines are attacked from a house they are to clear each room with grenades and then physically clear it.

They are not cops.  Their rules of engagement are to destroy the enemy when attacked.  They did that.

From the Investigating Officer:

&lt;blockquote&gt;LCpl Tatum shot and killed people in houses 1 and 2, but the reason he did so was because of his training and the circumstances he was placed in, not to exact revenge and commit murder.Ã¢â‚¬Â&lt;/blockquote&gt;

You obviously know very little about this case judging by your sweeping judgements.  Click the category on my sidebar on the Haditha Marines and learn instead of listening to your lefty friends who want our soldiers to be babykillers so bad they can taste it.  All so your kind can yell "My Lai!", "the war is bad", "Bush is evil"....blah blah blah.

Finally, the courts have deemed almost all of these Marines as innocent of these charges.  There are only two left.

Still no apology from Murtha or your kind.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Before you make a bigger fool of yourself please go read the pdf I linked to and tell me which &#8220;eyewitnesses&#8221; are believable.  The courts didn&#8217;t find any of them believable.  Also, witnesses see whats going on in their general area.  They do not know what precipitated their attack nor did they know that when Marines are attacked from a house they are to clear each room with grenades and then physically clear it.</p>
<p>They are not cops.  Their rules of engagement are to destroy the enemy when attacked.  They did that.</p>
<p>From the Investigating Officer:</p>
<blockquote><p>LCpl Tatum shot and killed people in houses 1 and 2, but the reason he did so was because of his training and the circumstances he was placed in, not to exact revenge and commit murder.Ã¢â‚¬Â</p></blockquote>
<p>You obviously know very little about this case judging by your sweeping judgements.  Click the category on my sidebar on the Haditha Marines and learn instead of listening to your lefty friends who want our soldiers to be babykillers so bad they can taste it.  All so your kind can yell &#8220;My Lai!&#8221;, &#8220;the war is bad&#8221;, &#8220;Bush is evil&#8221;&#8230;.blah blah blah.</p>
<p>Finally, the courts have deemed almost all of these Marines as innocent of these charges.  There are only two left.</p>
<p>Still no apology from Murtha or your kind.</p>
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		<title>By: Fred056</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2007 04:56:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So the possibility that some soldiers "lost it" and started firing on innocent civilians is impossible because these guys were doing what they were trained to do?

We can discount any eyewitness statements made by Iraquis because they can't be trusted, right?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So the possibility that some soldiers &#8220;lost it&#8221; and started firing on innocent civilians is impossible because these guys were doing what they were trained to do?</p>
<p>We can discount any eyewitness statements made by Iraquis because they can&#8217;t be trusted, right?</p>
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		<title>By: scaulen</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2007 04:22:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fuckin A man!!!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fuckin A man!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Curt</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2007 03:06:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The real insanity and stupidity in your comment is the fact that you obviously know nothing of the battle in Haditha but instead make blanket assumptions based on your DummiesU degree.  Soldiers are human too, but this case was not a case of human fallibility.  Instead it was a case of lefties such as yourself vilifying these soldiers for doing what they were trained to do.  Fight back against an enemy that attacked them.  It's sad the enemy used civilians as shields but the blame for their deaths rest with the terrorists...not the Marines.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The real insanity and stupidity in your comment is the fact that you obviously know nothing of the battle in Haditha but instead make blanket assumptions based on your DummiesU degree.  Soldiers are human too, but this case was not a case of human fallibility.  Instead it was a case of lefties such as yourself vilifying these soldiers for doing what they were trained to do.  Fight back against an enemy that attacked them.  It&#8217;s sad the enemy used civilians as shields but the blame for their deaths rest with the terrorists&#8230;not the Marines.</p>
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		<title>By: Fred056</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2007 02:26:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The real insanity and stupidity in this thread seems to be the  belief that training people to kill on command then sending them into civilian areas shouldn't result in "tragedies" like Haditha.
The concept that American soldiers are somehow all super-patriotic and only doing their duty, are not corruptible or capable of firing in anger, is the really ridiculous thread.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The real insanity and stupidity in this thread seems to be the  belief that training people to kill on command then sending them into civilian areas shouldn&#8217;t result in &#8220;tragedies&#8221; like Haditha.<br />
The concept that American soldiers are somehow all super-patriotic and only doing their duty, are not corruptible or capable of firing in anger, is the really ridiculous thread.</p>
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		<title>By: scaulen</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Aug 2007 05:59:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ball peen hammers to be used on all "useful idiots" until further notice. The only reason they're still alive is because the live amongst the people we are more then glad to protect. If they left and started their own country it would be population 0 in weeks. They wouldn't stand up for themselves and I'd be damned if I'd protect a commie/socialist infiltrated group of lemmings like them. Unfortunately there are times when the wolves cull the flock of the dumb sheep who stray from the protection of the sheepdog.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ball peen hammers to be used on all &#8220;useful idiots&#8221; until further notice. The only reason they&#8217;re still alive is because the live amongst the people we are more then glad to protect. If they left and started their own country it would be population 0 in weeks. They wouldn&#8217;t stand up for themselves and I&#8217;d be damned if I&#8217;d protect a commie/socialist infiltrated group of lemmings like them. Unfortunately there are times when the wolves cull the flock of the dumb sheep who stray from the protection of the sheepdog.</p>
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		<title>By: Bookworm</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bookworm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Aug 2007 01:20:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To a hammer, everything is a nail and, clearly, to Murtha, everything is My Lai.  It would be merely pathetic if he weren't an elected official with a national forum and political power.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To a hammer, everything is a nail and, clearly, to Murtha, everything is My Lai.  It would be merely pathetic if he weren&#8217;t an elected official with a national forum and political power.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike's America</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike's America</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Aug 2007 00:49:26 +0000</pubDate>
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Wow Curt! Where do you find these loons like StartTart?

You would think that given the news that these Marines are being cleared of charges, the last thing some loony whose spent the last couple of years screaming about our troops as murderers would want to do is come here, defend Murtha and draw even MORE attention to the huge whopping lies they've swallowed about our troops which can only serve our enemies.

But then, YOU would think. And that's a skill set that is clearly lacking in the moonbats who've lately graced your comment section and provide continuing proof that the left is intellectually and morally bankrupt.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow Curt! Where do you find these loons like StartTart?</p>
<p>You would think that given the news that these Marines are being cleared of charges, the last thing some loony whose spent the last couple of years screaming about our troops as murderers would want to do is come here, defend Murtha and draw even MORE attention to the huge whopping lies they&#8217;ve swallowed about our troops which can only serve our enemies.</p>
<p>But then, YOU would think. And that&#8217;s a skill set that is clearly lacking in the moonbats who&#8217;ve lately graced your comment section and provide continuing proof that the left is intellectually and morally bankrupt.</p>
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		<title>By: ChrisG</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Aug 2007 06:16:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, I just returned from Iraq.  I get out in the world quite often and have seen FAR more than I think you ever will.

This is NOT a non-issue.  A sitting congressman passed judgment on innocent Marines in a public forum.  He slandered them and his very rich "anti-war" (no, the are PRO-war, just not on the side of the USA) have used him to forward their sick agenda of surrender to the islamofascists.

Jesus?  Is this some slap at the "Christian right" that the left fears?  Talk about creating boogymen.  I actually do not go to church.  I doubt I am what your feared "Evil Chistian Theocons(tm)" would call "Christian right".  Though I would rather be that than a mind numbed, double speaking, totalitarian socialist which is all the left seems to produce.

You want something to fear?  How about a socialist dictatorship too blind to see the threat of global Jihad from Islam and is more concerned with "fairness doctrines" and silencing conservatives than defending Western Civilization?  THAT has a far better chance of taking root in America than some "Christian right" theocracy.

Also HOW DARE YOU call Marines who followed the law of war and the ROE people who were "murdering in cold blood"!  These men, who were hunting REAL murderers, have been cleared and found to have been acting within the rules of engagement.  Yet, like Murtha, you still call them murderers.

But why bother?  All I am doing is arguing with one of Lenin's "useful idiots".
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, I just returned from Iraq.  I get out in the world quite often and have seen FAR more than I think you ever will.</p>
<p>This is NOT a non-issue.  A sitting congressman passed judgment on innocent Marines in a public forum.  He slandered them and his very rich &#8220;anti-war&#8221; (no, the are PRO-war, just not on the side of the USA) have used him to forward their sick agenda of surrender to the islamofascists.</p>
<p>Jesus?  Is this some slap at the &#8220;Christian right&#8221; that the left fears?  Talk about creating boogymen.  I actually do not go to church.  I doubt I am what your feared &#8220;Evil Chistian Theocons(tm)&#8221; would call &#8220;Christian right&#8221;.  Though I would rather be that than a mind numbed, double speaking, totalitarian socialist which is all the left seems to produce.</p>
<p>You want something to fear?  How about a socialist dictatorship too blind to see the threat of global Jihad from Islam and is more concerned with &#8220;fairness doctrines&#8221; and silencing conservatives than defending Western Civilization?  THAT has a far better chance of taking root in America than some &#8220;Christian right&#8221; theocracy.</p>
<p>Also HOW DARE YOU call Marines who followed the law of war and the ROE people who were &#8220;murdering in cold blood&#8221;!  These men, who were hunting REAL murderers, have been cleared and found to have been acting within the rules of engagement.  Yet, like Murtha, you still call them murderers.</p>
<p>But why bother?  All I am doing is arguing with one of Lenin&#8217;s &#8220;useful idiots&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: eeyore</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Aug 2007 02:26:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I predict Murtha will use the same defense as those professors in the Duke Lacrosse case. "We know SOMETHING happened so it has to be the worst thing in order to support our opinion of the troops."  He will never admit to being wrong.

These people have to get what they feel and believe to have happened into the public, regardless of what really happened.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I predict Murtha will use the same defense as those professors in the Duke Lacrosse case. &#8220;We know SOMETHING happened so it has to be the worst thing in order to support our opinion of the troops.&#8221;  He will never admit to being wrong.</p>
<p>These people have to get what they feel and believe to have happened into the public, regardless of what really happened.</p>
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