Color Me Unsurprised

I left this comment also at Accept No Substitutes:

To borrow a phrase from Abraham Lincoln:

You can fool some of the people some of the time. Some of the people all the time. But the Paulbots can’t fool anyone but themselves.

This poll result is just further proof that these people are not part of any serious political movement and certainly are not part of the Republican Party.

I’ll wager (any takers?) that the vast majority of them have never done anything to support Republican candidates, the conservative movement or the Republican Party.

They’re an odd and selfish bunch of self centered, totally impractical goofballs who suffer from dangerous delusions about the nature of the enemy we face and are afflicted by some fantasy of what would actually address the threat.

I’ve pointed out before that bin Laden, in his 2002 “Letter to the American People” made it clear that the only way for Americans to appease him and his followers is by converting to Islam and replacing the U.S. Constitution with Sharia Law.

But of course each time I mention that to the Paulbots they ignore this reality and just launch into another fantastical and delusional episode.

I’ll ask them one more time: Are you willing to convert to Islam and allow radical Mullahs to rule America or are you willing to fight to win this war?

Only two choices here. Victory or Death!

The left is not in love with Paul, they wouldn’t send flowers if he died tonight. They are playing a game which in their feeble minds accomplishes something. About the same level of intel as the democrat leadership. The democrats have became more dangerous to the population of the U.S. that all terrorist combined. Foreign terrorists than it, domestic terrorists includes 99 44/100% of the democrats.

youre right. i got a little trigger happy. =[

nevertheless, to frame this dispute as entirely (or even largely) religiously motivated would be inaccurate. consider the first complaint that bin laden introduces.

you should attempt to understand why ron paul is the only satisfactory candidate for a sizeable number of people instead of asserting blanket generalizations. in the forefront of people’s mind is the iraq war, but ron paul is also a strong and consistent opponent of roe vs. wade. his economic policy is deep and far reaching. his stance on immigration is ideal for conservatives concerned with illegal immigration. he would dismantle the irs with utmost haste. he is resolute concerning the liberties embodied in the costitution.

taken in totality, his values are fundamentally divergent from those offered by the two party system. the two party system has institutionalized voter apathy, and now you people attempt to marginalize a wave of enthusiasm errupting from the most democracy-imbued medium that has ever existed.

youre right, i wasnt addressing his words.

you might want to peruse
the actual survey, as it does not support your claim well. in particular, 26% of young american muslims say that suicide bombing can be justifed often (2%), sometimes (13%), or rarely (11%) to defend islam (pg 53-54). this is terrifying in its own right, but you need to consider the primary motivation.

as far as the majority in the islamic world believing that jews perpetrated 9/11 (source?), consider this. lets take that plank out of our own eye before we start pointing fingers.

it was not too long ago that christianity and judaism were emerging from a turbulent past. some moderate muslims are trying to help, but culture evolves at a very sluggish pace. think about how long it took to free slaves and to give voting rights to minorities. tearing down their nations without provocation will not help this cause — it will only flame hatred. radical islam can be contained and systematically eradicated until it flickers out.

Again, the Paulbot here just ignores all the evidence that contradicts his “blame America” frame of reference and goes off on another happy hunt in tangent land.

Your choice pal: fight for victory or convert to Islam.

Which is it going to be?

“If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.”

Samuel Adams

you might want to peruse
the actual survey, as it does not support your claim well.

I did. America is, I think, the last best hope for modernization and moderation of Muslim attitudes toward the West; I think we’ve done the best job of integrating foreign-born Muslims into the mainstream, than our European counterparts, such as France and Holland and Great Britain. However, I find it troubling that the Muslim youths are finding resonance with jihadist ideology and sense of persecution and victimhood. It may have to deal with youthful idealism and search for identity as much as actual religiosity. However, Islam remains at the core root. So long as the radicals are allowed to define what Islam is. Then there is the problem of indoctrination of these youths into the scam of multiculturalism, political correctness, and blame-America first, thanks to our Howard Zinn/Ward Churchill professors. The survey finds that Muslim youths are more likely to sympathize with extremist organizations. I find that to be a problem. Don’t you? Or do the Dix Six get a pass on this? Are they simply an aberration? They are not the only ones who have turned sympathizing into violent expression against our country that has nurtured them (in more ways than one, apparently).

this is terrifying in its own right, but you need to consider the primary motivation.

I do find 1 and 4 Muslims who feel suicide bombing is ever justified, “terrifying”. And that primary motive is…..?

as far as the majority in the islamic world believing that jews perpetrated 9/11 (source?), consider this. lets take that plank out of our own eye before we start pointing fingers.

Do I have to do the Googling for you?

From 60 Minutes:
It turns out an overwhelming majority of people in the Muslim world, according to a Gallup poll, do not believe the attacks of Sept. 11 were orchestrated by Osama bin Laden, or by Arabs, or by Muslims.

Many believe, instead, that the whole thing was a conspiracy orchestrated by Jews.

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The Jews did it. That’s exactly what they are saying: the mayor, the businessman, the journalist, the baby doctor…everyone. And, as one of them said, “Osama is totally innocent!”

it was not too long ago that christianity and judaism were emerging from a turbulent past. some moderate muslims are trying to help, but culture evolves at a very sluggish pace. think about how long it took to free slaves and to give voting rights to minorities.

Not exactly sure where you’re going with that. The bottomline is, Christianity and Judaism are not threatening the rest of the world with violent calls for forced conversion. I don’t know why you bring up slavery (which still goes on in the Middle East, but which is largely eradicated in the West as an institution).

tearing down their nations without provocation will not help this cause — it will only flame hatred.

Is that what we’re doing in Iraq? Tearing it down? We’re the ones blowing up hospitals, mosques, pipelines, schools? Were we attacking Muslims in Bosnia and Kosovo? 2 years ago, did we inflame hatred because we sent aid to Pakistan after a devastating earthquake? Is that persecuting Muslims? How about when we offered aid to Iran after a devestating earthquake that killed 20,000? Even as recently as 2005, 2006?

Is it really U.S. foreign policy that drives the jihadists gone wild…or is it the propagandizing and subsequent perception of U.S. foreign policy that, is in part, responsible for it? The catalyst and core being salafism and wahabism.

radical islam can be contained and systematically eradicated until it flickers out.

How? With a 9/10-law enforcement strategy? At what cost and until when?